What I was dissopointed of is that the ending left me with more questions than answers!!! I don't wnat questions when finishing an AWESOME trilogy!!! I want the answers!!! But hey! Who knows?? Maybe they are comming? After all... Bioware would not throw this epic saga out the window and say... THIS is the end. It's an end of an Era in ME... Yes... But not the end of the universe.
Yeah, we were explicitly promised that they would not pull a Lost on us, and if the ending we have is really all we are going to get, that is exactly what they did.
Speaking as someone who really was disappointed by the endings, I don't want them changed. While I don't like them, and feel that they were were surprisingly lackluster, I just don't think we as consumers should demand changes to cannon.
Picking on the novel that had all the errors is one thing, not liking the endings and losing faith in Bioware, or posting how much you hate them is all fine to me. There is nothing wrong with hating or liking these endings. However, like it or not it exists.
I don't think Video Games stories, or really any stories should be written just to appease the consumer. Then we just get the same stories and formulas used over and over again...justified because it's what the people want. Some might say that's not a bad thing, after all we are paying money for a game, why should we be forced to experience somehting that we find unpleasant? Honestly, I think flaws can lead to creative innovations, I would rather let the creators know I don't care for the endings, and see how they adapt the narative in their later installments, then to demand they drop everything they are doing, and create a happy or more mundane ending.
I'm not saying the endings are good, or that they are undeserving of criticism. However, I think one can hate the endings, complain and make worthwhile posts indicating plot holes and other issues, and ask for a DLC to address those problems. Problems should be worked around, narrative weaknesses should be addressed and recognized not just hastily undone and replaced with a quick fix.
This is just my opinion, and I don't claim that others are wrong to have and voice outrage at the direction the ending took. However, I just don't think gamers should be too quick to demand editorial power over their game's narrative.
Thank you sir,that what i was trying to say great minds think alike
The diffrence between a book and Mass Effect is that we decide ,by our choices, how the story ends. we invested countless hours of playthrough to see how our choice shape the story after all, bioware told us so.
That's fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that the player shouldn't impact the story over the course of the game. I personally felt that my actions did have concequences in regards to the lives of some of my characters, like Mordin, and to a lesser degree Grunt. What I dissagree with, is the Idea that we as players have a right to determin what is or is not cannon on a broader level. Some choice are not ours to make, we never really got to determine the true ending of the other games, so I guess I always expected a certain level of scripting for this ending. That doesn't make me right, but I hope that clarafies my position a little.
Why can't i just you know like the endings? why do i have to be stupid or troll or indoctrinated? :/ i wonder if we even saw the same ending at this point lol
blindchaos wrote... That's fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that the player shouldn't impact the story over the course of the game. I personally felt that my actions did have concequences in regards to the lives of some of my characters, like Mordin, and to a lesser degree Grunt. What I dissagree with, is the Idea that we as players have a right to determin what is or is not cannon on a broader level. Some choice are not ours to make, we never really got to determine the true ending of the other games, so I guess I always expected a certain level of scripting for this ending. That doesn't make me right, but I hope that clarafies my position a little.
Since when is there any such thing as Mass Effect canon? Give the huge number of choices players were able to make, any other game they make in the setting will logically have to either have absolutely no connection to any character from the trilogy, or import our ME3 saves. The only thing stopping them from changing and/or adding to the endings is if they just don't want to, not some mystical canon.
Why can't i just you know like the endings? why do i have to be stupid or troll or indoctrinated? :/ i wonder if we even saw the same ending at this point lol
If you liked the endings we're all really happy for you. You got yours. Now let us get ours. I can't comprehend these kinds of threads, because nothing we're asking for would, at all, detract from your experience. And sorry, I don't buy these forced, vague, "artistic integrity" arguments.
what do you prefer as an ending? the Hey we did active the machine/it shoots lasers/all reapers died/we win boring ending #14543343 that million movie/game did before?
No, the two options were never
A. A tiny variety (different colors) of depressing options that open plot holes, offer no closure, and ignore the culmination of player choices B. "shooters lasers all reapers died we win boring" ending
They could be unique and clever without such terrible flaws. Honestly? I'd prefer "boring" to depressing. At this point in time, the "hero dies" endings are just as common as "happy endings", so I really don't see how you can defend this point on originality.
Now, what would I prefer? Seeing what happens after I make my final choice. Seeing all my important choices make a difference. Seeing variety in the endings, and not just a hue tweak. Seeing what happens to all of the characters I love (HINT: Not Stargazer). Having the OPTION to have happiness.
Why can't i just you know like the endings? why do i have to be stupid or troll or indoctrinated? :/ i wonder if we even saw the same ending at this point lol
So an artist/writer cannot add new contend after reviewing player feedback? Then think of it like Mass Effect 3 the director’s cut. I have not beaten the game yet, so I cannot give an honest opinion of the endings. I just find it interesting that some people believe Bioware ought to draw a line in the sand.
I can only speak for myself, but that's the opposite of what I want. I think new content adressing player feedback is going to be the only thing that can redeem this franchise in the eyes of some people and even that will probably not be enough.
What I am saying is, that the response should be honest new content, content that clarafies and addresses the numerous plot holes, rather then just shoving it under a rug. My only concenr with the people demanding a "New Ending" Is that it will perpetuate the idea that gamers do not want, or cannot handle darker and less uplifting ending.
More specifically I am worried that this will help create a precident that removes creative control of game's stories from the hands of writers and developers and put it in the hands of a mob mentality. This is a broad worry, and one not founded on real evidence so I am more then willing to classify it as irrational, but I just think fan concerns and problems can be adressed without completely backing down to public pressure.
I find it humorous you mock the "we turn on the machine it shoots lasers and destroys the reapers" style ending when that is in fact exactly what one of the endings did and the other two are just color palette swaps with that ending
I mean good for you that you like the endings, but to me "mystery" in a conclusion is not a positive event. if you bill something as the end of a story it should resolve the story. Plot holes and incompleteness are not positive events in my book.
Oh look, another post about how people only hate the ending because it's not happy.
I sure am glad it had nothing to do with lack of closure, huge plot holes, and a complete change in theme and tone. Otherwise you'd look pretty silly right now.
Or teleporting characters....or ones that became alive again through space magic...
What is so wrong with wanting a happier ending? People seem ashamed for expecting the option of saving Shep and the crew then running off with the LI. And please stop with this "dark space opera" nonsense because that's what it is. Its not even close Warhammer 40k and even that has the occasional happy ending. Neither is ME some point a to point b linear story where you have no choice but to follow the path in front of you. The best part about ME is that you can have multiple endings to please the most people. And why wouldn't you want to please the most amount of people. Bioware/EA is a business whose goal it is to make the most amount of people happy enough to buy DLC. Sure they could get all dramatic and have the reapers win no matter what just to make a statement about "creative freedom" but it sure as hell won't improve DLC sales.
I totally forgot about the leaked script. that happened recently, or in latter stages of development as I recall. I wonder if that's the reason for the nonsense ending. I don't really know the details of the incident, but I would certainly explain the flawless writing falling apart at the last minute and the complete lack of any dialog.
What does it matter to you if they add happy endings? We're not asking them to take away the ones that are there at all! All we want is the OPTION.
It wouldn't affect you IN THE SLIGHTEST.
I also want an ending where tali and shepard gets together, etc
That's not the point, the developers should not be FORCED to create happy endings, and not creating one does not mean they should get bashed
You just keep repeating the same tune over and over again as if saying enough times somehow justifies the huge disservice the Bioware writer did to the fans. People here are not angry at how the series ended but the way they choose to shoehorn that last minute twist. There's no way in hell Bioware wroked on this for the better part of two years and none of the writers and the creative director had a huge red light going off in their heads as to why it's a bad ending.
I for one refuse to be inductrinated by this crappy ending and I CHOOSE to pick my own. That's the essense of having a free will. the right to choose. Something the writing staff ignored completly.
blindchaos wrote... That's fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that the player shouldn't impact the story over the course of the game. I personally felt that my actions did have concequences in regards to the lives of some of my characters, like Mordin, and to a lesser degree Grunt. What I dissagree with, is the Idea that we as players have a right to determin what is or is not cannon on a broader level. Some choice are not ours to make, we never really got to determine the true ending of the other games, so I guess I always expected a certain level of scripting for this ending. That doesn't make me right, but I hope that clarafies my position a little.
Since when is there any such thing as Mass Effect canon? Give the huge number of choices players were able to make, any other game they make in the setting will logically have to either have absolutely no connection to any character from the trilogy, or import our ME3 saves. The only thing stopping them from changing and/or adding to the endings is if they just don't want to, not some mystical canon.
What I meant by cannon, were the certain unalterable series of events that make up the ME franchise. For example one way or another you always kill Saren and stop the Reapers from using the Citadel Relay, likewise you always die and are ressurected by Cerberus. While we do make a tremendous amount of choices and the specifics are always somewhat unique to the individual changing there is a core cannon timeline, however broad it may be.
My point was more, some event in Mass Effect, regardless of the context of our choices do just happent, and I am okay with the elements of the ending being one of those examples. However, I do think a DLC is needed to clarify and explore the impact of the game's finale. I mean no offesne with my points, and do not mean to say that we don't have a right to a clearer conclusion, only that I might disagree on how it is implemented. I apologize for posting so much and if any of my points have been agravating I hope you take it all as a just another perspective meant to encourage discussion nothing more.
What do people think "force" means? I don't recall anyone threatening Bioware in any real manner. They are free to do whatever they want. We're all just requesting a new ending. I'm seriously tired of this "demand/force" stuff I keep hearing about us.
So an artist/writer cannot add new contend after reviewing player feedback? Then think of it like Mass Effect 3 the director’s cut. I have not beaten the game yet, so I cannot give an honest opinion of the endings. I just find it interesting that some people believe Bioware ought to draw a line in the sand.
I can only speak for myself, but that's the opposite of what I want. I think new content adressing player feedback is going to be the only thing that can redeem this franchise in the eyes of some people and even that will probably not be enough.
What I am saying is, that the response should be honest new content, content that clarafies and addresses the numerous plot holes, rather then just shoving it under a rug. My only concenr with the people demanding a "New Ending" Is that it will perpetuate the idea that gamers do not want, or cannot handle darker and less uplifting ending.
More specifically I am worried that this will help create a precident that removes creative control of game's stories from the hands of writers and developers and put it in the hands of a mob mentality. This is a broad worry, and one not founded on real evidence so I am more then willing to classify it as irrational, but I just think fan concerns and problems can be adressed without completely backing down to public pressure.
Your points are valid. I do not share your concern that it would hamper the creation of games with dark stories and endings.
So why are mystery and ambiguity such integral components to the plot all of a sudden? I don't remember all that much ambiguity in the other games. Maybe moral ambiguity, but there wasn't all that much left up for interpretation previously. The Reapers' motives were about as vague as it got, and even then their motives were completely irrelevant. It doesn't really matter why they wanted to destroy everything forever, just that they did.
So an artist/writer cannot add new contend after reviewing player feedback? Then think of it like Mass Effect 3 the director’s cut. I have not beaten the game yet, so I cannot give an honest opinion of the endings. I just find it interesting that some people believe Bioware ought to draw a line in the sand.
I can only speak for myself, but that's the opposite of what I want. I think new content adressing player feedback is going to be the only thing that can redeem this franchise in the eyes of some people and even that will probably not be enough.
What I am saying is, that the response should be honest new content, content that clarafies and addresses the numerous plot holes, rather then just shoving it under a rug. My only concenr with the people demanding a "New Ending" Is that it will perpetuate the idea that gamers do not want, or cannot handle darker and less uplifting ending.
More specifically I am worried that this will help create a precident that removes creative control of game's stories from the hands of writers and developers and put it in the hands of a mob mentality. This is a broad worry, and one not founded on real evidence so I am more then willing to classify it as irrational, but I just think fan concerns and problems can be adressed without completely backing down to public pressure.
Your points are valid. I do not share your concern that it would hamper the creation of games with dark stories and endings.
TYVM, and I totally acknoledge my concern is alarmist, and unlikely.
2-What you call "god" reset advanced civilizations and not wipe them all, they keep organic life at their place (not too advance where they can go wrong and wipe Everything) different is killing everything vs killing whats needed only and sparing the rest
3-He was already bleeding/dying and there was no other options for him, he is stuck he either pick something or die, even shepard got a limit
4-does not matter the "god" said he need to find new solution
5-will look up at that after my second playthrough
6-not the same pay attention.
7-it matters for saving the earth, not enough points earth = burned
1.- dont avoid the question, it dosent matter how i call it/him/her where did it/he/she come from?
2.-Again they dont "reset" they anahilate/destroy/kill every single advanced civilization until there is no more chaos/danger however you want to call it, they still do the same thing they supossely want to avoid.
3.-So because he is bleeding he agreed to kill the geth/edi, the mass effect relays, leave different species on an isolated and recentrly devastated earth so they can kill each other because of the lack of resources?????
4.- So again because the creator of the ones that are destroying everything, say we have to destroy everything, shepard just agree, because he was dying/bleeding.
5.- Please do.
6.-Let me give you and expample this are two real different endings, , ndings where there are different cinematics, different dialogs, where you see the fruits of your decisions, not just the same cinematics with different wave color., now the ME 3 endings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7OdYt0rqZQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdWqlsQjWo, so the difference between the last 2 ending are sheppard jumping in one and shoting on the other, the reapears on earth flying instead of falling, and thats it.....
7.- Like i said with the mass effect relays there is no way of travel through the galaxy so you just left, thousands of warships on a recentrly destroyed earth. Yeah you saved the earth.
And like i said there is a lot of other unresolved problems, like why the mass effect relays didnt destroyed complete systems with the explosion, or did they, why EDI is alive after destroying all the synthetics, why the two person talking on the end know about shepard but cant space travel etc etc.
I am not trying to change your mind, i just like healthy debates.
Iif you like this ending where you must infer the answers, and all the choices you made while playing ME 1 & 2 (IF you played it) can be replaced with a couple of hours playing the MP and a light gameplay.
Its your right, as its my right to complain and try to change it, if not in this game, at least with future games where the companies will be more concerned about what the consumers want.
Well.. There IS a hppy ending. An ending where Shep survives... However not an happy ending for the rest of the galaxy's trade routes now that the Mass Realys are destroyed. But I guess The Alliance and the rest of the survivers on earth are working together to try and "fix" the problems... I mean... Didn't they have the schematics for Mass Realys in the archives back on mars?!?
Come on OP and get real. If you like the game then fantastic for you. If we don't and want a fix then what is the problem with letting us have it?
Because if you add chessy happy ending it would ruin the epic sacrfice of commander shepard killing himself to save everything, it would be just "nah that's just alternative ending that no one take seriously (like shepard dying at the end of ME2)
It would turn current ending from epic ending into "joke ending"
Well.. There IS a hppy ending. An ending where Shep survives... However not an happy ending for the rest of the galaxy's trade routes now that the Mass Realys are destroyed. But I guess The Alliance and the rest of the survivers on earth are working together to try and "fix" the problems... I mean... Didn't they have the schematics for Mass Realys in the archives back on mars?!?
Sadly no http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_Relay, in mars they found the location of a mass relay, but the only one that really made one was the proteans (and it was a small one leading only to the citadel).
So the only choice they have is to trave at FTL speed to their home planets (still they need fuel) or stay on earth, and i dont think everyone is going to be peacefully after a couple of months xD (especially if you cured the genophage)
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