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[Hunter_Wolf]

Ravennus wrote...

Body Massage wrote...

Synthesis ending is just completing what the Reapers are there to do.

Destroy is the only one that makes sense, but then they had to go and tarnish it by making it kill the Geth and EDI as well.

Agreed, but add to that the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This dooms most species in the known galaxy and completely destroys any hope for a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise as we know it.

No, that's not exactly true. That's fear mongering. FTL is still a viable form of travel.

[N-Seven]

Shepard has to make a decision here that doctors have to make from time to time.

Some people are not fans of some modern medical practices. Blood transfusions, surgery, drugs/chemo/rad therapy, transplants or artificial implants etc. For religious or personal reasons, some would rather risk the consequences, including death, instead of receiving these treatments.

Shepard is the doctor. Organic life in the galaxy is about to be extinguished. You obviously can't poll every living organism to determine how they feel about their DNA being altered. And you need to act now this very minute because hey....you're bleeding out. So he does his job, makes he tough decision and saves lives. The extentnand nature of that life and the quality of it is unknown, because we only see two 'synthesized' beings in the end with the boy and his father.

[kalasaurus]

I picked the "Synthesis" ending at first because I just limped forward into the light. Horrible, but true story. I didn't remember what the kid told me or what I was supposed to do. I was very confused and just kept on walking.

After I put some thought into it, I went back and did "destroy" later. Same ending, but it was an ego thing for my Shepard.

[BrotherlyTech]

N-Seven wrote...

Shepard has to make a decision here that doctors have to make from time to time.

Some people are not fans of some modern medical practices. Blood transfusions, surgery, drugs/chemo/rad therapy, transplants or artificial implants etc. For religious or personal reasons, some would rather risk the consequences, including death, instead of receiving these treatments.

Shepard is the doctor. Organic life in the galaxy is about to be extinguished. You obviously can't poll every living organism to determine how they feel about their DNA being altered. And you need to act now this very minute because hey....you're bleeding out. So he does his job, makes he tough decision and saves lives. The extentnand nature of that life and the quality of it is unknown, because we only see two 'synthesized' beings in the end with the boy and his father.

Its less about him having to make that tough decision, and more than he just accepts it, and mosies on over and does it, without even asking Starchild about it, he has fought for Free Will, and for the right to develop as we will, and in the end he goes(in synthesis,) "Ok, I'll pretend everything i was fighting for before didn't happen, and force it on everyone, and naw Starchild, don't worry about explaining why these are the only options I have, its cool."

[RoyalGambit]

Isn't it a little unethical to have everyone merge with synthetics against their wills? I have a hard time seeing how this is supposed to be a beautiful ending.

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 22 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[N-Seven]

Ravennus wrote...

Body Massage wrote...

Synthesis ending is just completing what the Reapers are there to do.

Destroy is the only one that makes sense, but then they had to go and tarnish it by making it kill the Geth and EDI as well.

Agreed, but add to that the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This dooms most species in the known galaxy and completely destroys any hope for a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise as we know it.

To be fair though, no one really knows what the result of synthesis is when it come to physical needs (food, water, oxygen) or even stuff like inherent abilities to communicate or travel across space and time.  I mean if this is supposedly the final stage of evolution,  there must be some spectacular stuff involved, aside from glowing eyes.

[Grasich]

N-Seven wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Body Massage wrote...

Synthesis ending is just completing what the Reapers are there to do.

Destroy is the only one that makes sense, but then they had to go and tarnish it by making it kill the Geth and EDI as well.

Agreed, but add to that the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This dooms most species in the known galaxy and completely destroys any hope for a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise as we know it.

To be fair though, no one really knows what the result of synthesis is when it come to physical needs (food, water, oxygen) or even stuff like inherent abilities to communicate or travel across space and time.  I mean if this is supposedly the final stage of evolution,  there must be some spectacular stuff involved, aside from glowing eyes.

But isn't that part of the problem? No one even knows what the hell they just did!

[Ashilana]

Village Idiot wrote...

The exchange is meant to be mutually beneficial.

Just like all people who try and force others to be the way they "should be"... it is supposed to be beneficial.  It never, ever is.

[ericjdev]

Megachaz wrote...

I thought the synthesis option was pure evil. You just essentially altered the intrinsic nature of every living being. You took away the free will of every being in the galaxy.

It's beautiful if you're into genocide

[Azrael08151819]

IsaacShep wrote...

Forgetting about all the plotholes why did the Normandy ended up on the jungle planet, I'm REALLY liking the synthesis ending. it requires Shep to sacrifice himself completely (in control ending it's just the body), yet seeing EDI and Joker smile and how life got trasformed was just beautiful.

Really ? You are joking ? Nice one u almost got me there.

[Fixers0]

IsaacShep wrote...
I find the Destruction ending just beautifull

Fixed.

Modifié par Fixers0, 22 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[Ashilana]

Azrael08151819 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Forgetting about all the plotholes why did the Normandy ended up on the jungle planet, I'm REALLY liking the synthesis ending. it requires Shep to sacrifice himself completely (in control ending it's just the body), yet seeing EDI and Joker smile and how life got trasformed was just beautiful.

Really ? You are joking ? Nice one u almost got me there.

Sadly, they are serious.   Frightening, huh?

[Grasich]

Fixers0 wrote...

I find the Destruction ending just beautifull,

I agree, the way they used the color red was just fantastic. Green and blue are just so mainstream.

[dbl219]

Nefelius wrote...

And what stops new robohumans from creating new AIs which will wage war on their creators?

This was my biggest gripe with it.  Just because everyone's now part synthetic doesn't remove the various races cultural identities, nor does it prevent the future creation of more destructive AI.

It's just silly and not thought out at all.

[Northern Sun]

I find it to be the grossest violation of our rights as sapient beings in any video game I've played in the past year, maybe in all of them.

[Alamar2078]

I find a "synthesis" ending personally repugnant.

Any game that has a message that "you can solve conflict by [forcibly] ending diversity" is not really a message that I want to embrace.

If you ignore the "you can solve conflict by [forcibly] ending diversity" then there's the issue of forcing this change on sentient beings without their permission. I would think MANY sentient beings would consider this a violation on levels for which English almost literally doesn't have a word for. I can think of one crime that involves force, violation, etc. and yes ... synthesis is right up there with "that crime" IMHO.

[N-Seven]

Well back to the 'doctor' analogy, you have to pick between certain death for your patient, or the unknown. What do you do?

Of course it sucks there weren't more options, and I am not a fan of this particular ending either. But I can see how some might be.

[dbl219]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Body Massage wrote...

Synthesis ending is just completing what the Reapers are there to do.

Destroy is the only one that makes sense, but then they had to go and tarnish it by making it kill the Geth and EDI as well.

Agreed, but add to that the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This dooms most species in the known galaxy and completely destroys any hope for a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise as we know it.

No, that's not exactly true. That's fear mongering. FTL is still a viable form of travel.

Define viable.

It will still take decades to get anywhere.  The only race with a real chance to survive and find a new world via FTL is the asari due to their longevity, and that's assuming they have an infinite amount of food and fuel (which they don't).

And don't forget the quarians and turians only have whatever dextro-amine food is on their ships.  After that, they're screwed.  Mass starvation.  Even if they could cultivate some of their food on Earth, with the state of the planet they would never be able to grow enough to support their entire fleet indefinitely.  And Earth would also have to produce food for the asari and worse, the krogans.

Occam's Razor.  Everybody dies.  The end.

[BigGuy28]

I think synthesis is the worst of the three, you are forcing a change on the entire galaxy with no idea how it will turn out. Destroy is the best option in my opinion. Reaper boy is purposely making green and blue look like the best options because that lets the Reapers live, red destroys the Reapers so of course he is going to make it look like a bad option. There is no proof, that I can recall, that red actually does kill all the Geth and EDI. Reaper boy just says it does to make you see it as a bad option. Even if it did kill EDI and the Geth I think it would be worth it to make 100% sure the Reapers won't be back to wipe out more civilizations. I'd feel terrible about it but in the end, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Basically, you say you are going to kill me. I'm going to make all options involving my death look like a bad idea while all options that involve me living look like a good idea.

[PrussianBlue]

"And I'm going to do what you brought me back to do. I'll fight and win this war without compromising the soul of our species."

"We'll fight and win without it.I won't let fear compromise who I am."

Just some good ol quotes.

[GrimIntent89]

 yeah, SCREW genetic diversity.. /sarcasm

[wrdnshprd]

when i first beat the game, this is the choice i made, and i actually didnt mind it (except for the whole normandy thing).

my main issue at this point is the pre-release spin, and how none of those promises were really met. this, and the childs play drive, are why im a supporter of the retakeME3 group.

[Skyblade012]

IsaacShep wrote...

Forgetting about all the plotholes why did the Normandy ended up on the jungle planet, I'm REALLY liking the synthesis ending. it requires Shep to sacrifice himself completely (in control ending it's just the body), yet seeing EDI and Joker smile and how life got trasformed was just beautiful.

So you think a forced evolution of all life in the galaxy, wiping away choice, diversity, and free will, is "beautiful"?

[Ashilana]

PrussianBlue wrote...

"We'll fight and win without it.I won't let fear compromise who I am."

Unless I get really tired after getting shot... then, sure, I will be a complete jerk.

[colateral]

I can appreciate what they tried to do with the synthesis ending, but I felt that It honestly was a betrayal of everything that the galaxy was fighting for to force that on them simply for the sake of salvation--it felt like giving the reapers precisely what they wanted.

Modifié par colateral, 22 mars 2012 - 04:41 .