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[N-Seven]

Who says this new synthesized race even needs to eat? For all we know the could derive nourishment via photosynthesis. Actually I'm gonna take a leap of logic here and theorize no one would be no such thing as 'meat' anymore. Or at least no one would be eating it as it equates to subjugation and cannabalism.

[Keltic]

Megachaz wrote...

I thought the synthesis option was pure evil. You just essentially altered the intrinsic nature of every living being. You took away the free will of every being in the galaxy.

yeah sort of felt the same myself, To me it was you being conned by the Reaper boss into doing exactly what they wanted to do themselves but could not quite manage.

[mikelope]

I like the idea of the synthesis ending, but they should have explained better why the other choices are worse and why this was something that was necessary for the galaxy to have peace. Was this similar to BSG ending, by the way? I actually don't remember.

[Durontan]

Look, all 3 endings actually are okey as endings. Problem is how they were introduced.

Devo team made it look like the Catalist is a super-God kid with all knowledge of everything and decided to give you those 3 choices at his whim and Shepard for some reason decided to be an ass and accept them for no reason at all.

Point is (probably) that Catalist is actually only a super-computer programed for those 3 and only those 3 options. Shepard has no choice but to do one of those choices or watch as Reapers again destroy everything.

Problem is the plotholes. Yes, syntesis is a nice ending, with a major problem, no explanation that mass relay explosion (like all other endings) won't be a supernova. Again players fill in the blanks. Yes, it was nice to see "greenish" crew, Joker/EDI/Liara, but HOW? Normandy escape with entire squad on board NEEDS to be explained.

Not to mention, when Shepard already is going to die, give him, if not the rest of the galaxy which also should have some sort of ending (sword fleet) one final sad look at galaxy, or a short flashback of his LI, Shep saying it is worth it, I love you, or something like that. Make players know that his sacrifice isn't in vain, and not by breaking every canon by seeing Normandy and squad escaping which again on itself wouldn't leave players that emotionally attached as Shepards final words would.

[Ashilana]

Durontan wrote...
Yes, syntesis is a nice ending, with a major problem, no explanation that mass relay explosion (like all other endings) won't be a supernova. Again players fill in the blanks. Yes, it was nice to see "greenish" crew, Joker/EDI/Liara, but HOW? Normandy escape with entire squad on board NEEDS to be explained.

Still scares me that people think it was nice to see people transformed without their consent....

[wrdnshprd]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Isn't it a little unethical to have everyone merge with synthetics against their wills? I have a hard time seeing how this is supposed to be a beautiful ending.

one could argue that its also unethical to wipe out an entire civilization to win a war (destroy ending where geth are destroyed)

[Azrael08151819]

@ Durontan
Three endings ? I did have one. Wait there where slight changes in the color! You are right.

[N-Seven]

Ashilana wrote...

Durontan wrote...
Yes, syntesis is a nice ending, with a major problem, no explanation that mass relay explosion (like all other endings) won't be a supernova. Again players fill in the blanks. Yes, it was nice to see "greenish" crew, Joker/EDI/Liara, but HOW? Normandy escape with entire squad on board NEEDS to be explained.

Still scares me that people think it was nice to see people transformed without their consent....

I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

[Skyblade012]

N-Seven wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Durontan wrote...
Yes, syntesis is a nice ending, with a major problem, no explanation that mass relay explosion (like all other endings) won't be a supernova. Again players fill in the blanks. Yes, it was nice to see "greenish" crew, Joker/EDI/Liara, but HOW? Normandy escape with entire squad on board NEEDS to be explained.

Still scares me that people think it was nice to see people transformed without their consent....

I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

None of the civilizations out there are "dying", unless you count being killed by the Reapers.

So the situation is actually this.  A wild animal is attacking a person, mauling their guts out.  You find the person and the animal, and have the option of killing and getting rid of the animal, or surgically grafting the two together.  Which do you pick?

[Ravennus]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Body Massage wrote...

Synthesis ending is just completing what the Reapers are there to do.

Destroy is the only one that makes sense, but then they had to go and tarnish it by making it kill the Geth and EDI as well.

Agreed, but add to that the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This dooms most species in the known galaxy and completely destroys any hope for a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise as we know it.

No, that's not exactly true. That's fear mongering. FTL is still a viable form of travel.

Not fear mongering at all.  Read the numerous threads on the very subject.  The math and logic is there (barring more 'space magic'  that happens after that we don't know about).

[Wattoes]

Synthesis was just about the stupidest thing ive seen in gaming. It was a serious "jumping the shark" moment.

[Rune-Chan]

Megachaz wrote...

I thought the synthesis option was pure evil. You just essentially altered the intrinsic nature of every living being. You took away the free will of every being in the galaxy.

Indeed. Kind of like what the Reapers were trying to do...

[Ashilana]

N-Seven wrote...
I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

Improving on that scale is making a new one, not saving the old.   You just let them die with their dignity intact.

[BrotherlyTech]

N-Seven wrote...

I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

The doctor analogy is a good one yes. However it doesn't really apply, in fact it doesn't really apply at all. Lets break it down.
If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.
Ok, easy enough, I took an oath to do no harm. Done, in the mindframe.
You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.
Ok, I don't know allergies or whether or not this person has signed a DNR, or if they want their organs donated. The procedure, also would have to directly negate actual science or kill them to save them, since we're comparing exactly what Shep argued against in game one, only to make the decision to do in game three, my choice in this would have to be directly against what I stand for as a doctor, i.e. saving lives, but again for the sake of this example, we're ignoring that nice little piece of the equation.
In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they
will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.
I also don't know whether this person will even perceive themselves as a person afterwards, its also a procedure thats never been done before, ever, in fact I made it up as the person was brought before me, and it also completely defies natural science, and also is a polar opposite of what I've stated before.

Now, as per the fact that I'm not a doctor, nor do I even play one on tv, I can't know the types of decisions they have to make. But what I do know, is that procedures cannot be utilized without approval from the FDA, I believe it is. So I will be forfeiting my medical license to save this one person. "The needs of the many cannot outweight the few" is the oh so historic quote. So all the people I could help in the future, I can no longer help, if I choose to help this one.

[Ryan546]

Meh then there isn't any diversity in the galaxy

[BrotherlyTech]

Sion1138 wrote...

I just can't take Space Jesus, doesn't fit Mass Effect in the slightest.

I see you guys embraced the "much speculation from everyone" idea. Has anyone tackled how Joker and Edi might copulate?

Emergency Induction Port?

[wh00ley 06]

It would be cool if, during the ending flashes that show Anderson picking destroy and TIM picking control, you could see Saren picking synthesis. That's what he wanted all along, right?

[N-Seven]

Ashilana wrote...

N-Seven wrote...
I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

Improving on that scale is making a new one, not saving the old.   You just let them die with their dignity intact.

Any real doctor in my eyes, not knowing the beliefs of their patient, would go by their oaths and save him/her.  Maybe this might involve a transplant, or a blood transfusion.  Or amputation.  Artificial heart.  Prosthetics.  Confinement to wheelchair because of complications.  Whatever.   Some people might not consent to any of that because of religion.  But without interviewing trillions, (quadrillions?) you can't tell.  You have to do your job, and when faced with certain death, you choose to save lives.

The doctor wouldn't try to apply their own personal belief systems on to the patient.  'You know what, I don't believe that evolving your physical form is dignified.  I'm going to let you die.'

And to be honest I don't think we're talking about a drop in quality-of-life here, and an assumed loss of dignity.  Everyone here...raise their hand if you choose 'certain death/harvested for body parts' over 'highly-evolved cyborg being that represents the pinnacle of evolution'.  I don't think I see too many hands for the first one. 

Keep in mind that in ME3, the former means (by Reaper extermination), all  your loved ones and all organic life in the galaxy also dies/harvested, except for the very primitive ones.

Also keep in mind that your Shepard is already an early example of an 'improved' being because of Cerberus enhancements.  Does he/she have dignity, and find life worth living?  Or would you say you have no dignity and prefer to die?   Howabout anyone who was modified against their will?  Jack? 

[gosimmons]

I didn't like the feel of it.

Have to agree with those saying that it was basically emphasizing that we can't have peace unless we destroy diversity.

[Ashilana]

N-Seven wrote...

Also keep in mind that your Shepard is already an early example of an 'improved' being because of Cerberus enhancements.  Does he/she have dignity, and find life worth living?  Or would you say you have no dignity and prefer to die?   Howabout anyone who was modified against their will?  Jack? 

Shepard was altered with the intention of remaining as close to original form as possible, synthesis is the opposite of this.  And Jack.  She would have much rather died fighting as a child than let them alter her like they did.

[N-Seven]

BrotherlyTech wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

I still haven't seen anyone really respond to my 'doctor' analogy. 

If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.  You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.  In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.

What you do not know however, is if this patient might object to the procedure based on religious or some other personal  beliefs.  Time is ticking....what do you do?  

The doctor analogy is a good one yes. However it doesn't really apply, in fact it doesn't really apply at all. Lets break it down.
If you were a doctor, and a patient was delivered to you who is dying.
Ok, easy enough, I took an oath to do no harm. Done, in the mindframe.
You know nothing about this person.  You can save this person by applying a new treatment, procedure, or transplant.
Ok, I don't know allergies or whether or not this person has signed a DNR, or if they want their organs donated. The procedure, also would have to directly negate actual science or kill them to save them, since we're comparing exactly what Shep argued against in game one, only to make the decision to do in game three, my choice in this would have to be directly against what I stand for as a doctor, i.e. saving lives, but again for the sake of this example, we're ignoring that nice little piece of the equation.
In fact it's theorized that not only will the patient live, but they
will emerge from it as an 'improved' or more highly-evolved being.
I also don't know whether this person will even perceive themselves as a person afterwards, its also a procedure thats never been done before, ever, in fact I made it up as the person was brought before me, and it also completely defies natural science, and also is a polar opposite of what I've stated before.

Now, as per the fact that I'm not a doctor, nor do I even play one on tv, I can't know the types of decisions they have to make. But what I do know, is that procedures cannot be utilized without approval from the FDA, I believe it is. So I will be forfeiting my medical license to save this one person. "The needs of the many cannot outweight the few" is the oh so historic quote. So all the people I could help in the future, I can no longer help, if I choose to help this one.

Let me phrase it more simply then.  You hold the fate of a stranger in your hands.  You press button A, and the result is 'Death by Reaper'.  Button B is 'Unknown'.   Oh by the way, Button A has the small print, 'Death by Reaper includes you and all your loved ones and all sentient life in the galaxy.'  

[Vhalkyrie]

N-Seven wrote...

Howabout anyone who was modified against their will?  Jack? 

Jack is an excellent example of what's wrong with the synthesis ending.  She'd be p***ed about being turned into half Reaper.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 22 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Torga_DW]

Yes, green is a soothing colour.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Ashilana wrote...

Shepard was altered with the intention of remaining as close to original form as possible, synthesis is the opposite of this.

What makes you say this?

Modifié par Village Idiot, 22 mars 2012 - 06:21 .