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[Pelle6666]

"Organic and machine, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of none." does that sound familiar?
The guy who said that later blew his own head off in shame!

[SomeBug]

The synthesis ending is evil. Not 'video game evil' but real-world evil.

It says that different people cannot get along unless they are the same. Not equal, but identical.

It imposes upon an unwilling and unknowing galactic populace a radical and permanent change in their body and mind, without asking them.

The synthesis ending advocates the worst kind of eugenic thinking.

[D.Shepard]

BrotherlyTech wrote...

D.Shepard wrote...
*snip*
Why everything this "entity" says should be the truth?
Sovereign said Shepard would be unable to stop the invasion and it become "spare parts"
Don't worry about spoilers... given the nature of the "endings" I guess spoilers can help me selecting what I may consider the less drepessing ending.... even though I doubt it really exists
*snip*

This is kind of the point of a lot of the complaints. Shep doesn't ask questions. You aren't able to. You simply get told the options, then get told to pick one, and then boom, thats it. No option for dissproving the the statements made, or even going, "Nuts to this, i'm not picking any of these options, We'll duke it out with the Reapers until no one is left standing even if we lose." and then just walking away.
We are forced to sumbit to three equally bad options, none of which fit the personality of Shepard. And then are shown equally bad cutscenes, that don't make sense. And then the credits roll, and then we might see an additional cutscene or two, that are extremely out of place, and then an advertisement for DLC. 

And then the speculations start....with fans all over the world making their own theories because many scenes don't make sense at all and they don't know what to think about what really happened to their beloved series....

[BrotherlyTech]

N-Seven wrote...

BrotherlyTech wrote...

Now if the options are "Possible death by Reapers" and "You are transformed, along with every other being in the galaxy" I'm gonna take my chances with Possible death by Reapers, as I don't believe its my perogative to chose the latter.

The way I see it, button A is 'All but guaranteed death by Reapers' and B is 'Survive as an enhanced being'.  I would press button B every time.  I would be mashing the hell out that button.

By the way, I never said it was a great ending.  I stated in other posts that I didn't like it, would have preferred other options.  I'm just arguing for those who do like it.

I apologize for assuming you enjoyed the ending. 
However, the the options you are providing are completely different than the ones we are provided in game.
That said, of your two options, if they specifically effect me, and me alone, I agree, I would push button B.
But, on the flipside, if you had two buttons, one that said "All out war between two sides, that you might have an extremely slim chance of winning," and the other said "Kill off all species as they currently are, creating one single species." How can you justify picking the latter to yourself, or to anyone else for that matter?

[IronVanguard]

Nah, it's cool. You just turn people into part-robot people.

I wonder if they can survive on just energy, though? That'd solve the resource issue for everyone stuck in Sol.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"Don't you see Shepard? The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither." said Saren on Virmire. If I wanted synthesis I would have put my gun down right then and said, "Okay, Saren, you're right."

[Alamar2078]

SomeBug wrote...

The synthesis ending is evil. Not 'video game evil' but real-world evil.

It says that different people cannot get along unless they are the same. Not equal, but identical.

It imposes upon an unwilling and unknowing galactic populace a radical and permanent change in their body and mind, without asking them.

The synthesis ending advocates the worst kind of eugenic thinking.

I have to agree that this is RADICALLY EVIL.   "Diversity is bad so I'll eliminate diversity through force" is really a message to be proud of.   Using force to violate untold numbers of life forms in the galaxy is a crime that we don't really have good words for.

Wow how did a "Diversity" manager sign-off on this kind of ending???   Really???

[Foxcat]

 ...It felt more unrealistic (the ME universe does have a strong logical consistency) and simply lazy than beautiful to me.

[N-Seven]

BrotherlyTech wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

BrotherlyTech wrote...

Now if the options are "Possible death by Reapers" and "You are transformed, along with every other being in the galaxy" I'm gonna take my chances with Possible death by Reapers, as I don't believe its my perogative to chose the latter.

The way I see it, button A is 'All but guaranteed death by Reapers' and B is 'Survive as an enhanced being'.  I would press button B every time.  I would be mashing the hell out that button.

By the way, I never said it was a great ending.  I stated in other posts that I didn't like it, would have preferred other options.  I'm just arguing for those who do like it.

I apologize for assuming you enjoyed the ending. 
However, the the options you are providing are completely different than the ones we are provided in game.
That said, of your two options, if they specifically effect me, and me alone, I agree, I would push button B.
But, on the flipside, if you had two buttons, one that said "All out war between two sides, that you might have an extremely slim chance of winning," and the other said "Kill off all species as they currently are, creating one single species." How can you justify picking the latter to yourself, or to anyone else for that matter?

Because we view the buttons differently, as I said.  Me, and my Shepard, interpreted the options in my game as 'Certain Death' vs 'Survival through accelerated Evolution'.   You see it more as 'War with chance of winning', and 'Killing off all species'.  You see your buttons, I see my buttons.   People see different buttons.  I would have liked a button G, but it wasn't there, so I picked what was the best button in my Shep's mind. 

And to some people button B is totally awesome.  Good for them.
 

[IronVanguard]

How did they kill diversity?

They didn't turn everyone into Systhesis humans. They are still Turians, they're just part synthetic. Same for the quarians, and the Salarians, and the Asari.
And the Geth, though I guess they were made part organic. Or something.

Frankly the whole thing requires space magic to even work, but beyond that, Shepard hardly "destroyed" diversity. He did change the basis of life I guess, but eh.

[BrotherlyTech]

N-Seven wrote...

BrotherlyTech wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

BrotherlyTech wrote...

Now if the options are "Possible death by Reapers" and "You are transformed, along with every other being in the galaxy" I'm gonna take my chances with Possible death by Reapers, as I don't believe its my perogative to chose the latter.

The way I see it, button A is 'All but guaranteed death by Reapers' and B is 'Survive as an enhanced being'.  I would press button B every time.  I would be mashing the hell out that button.

By the way, I never said it was a great ending.  I stated in other posts that I didn't like it, would have preferred other options.  I'm just arguing for those who do like it.

I apologize for assuming you enjoyed the ending. 
However, the the options you are providing are completely different than the ones we are provided in game.
That said, of your two options, if they specifically effect me, and me alone, I agree, I would push button B.
But, on the flipside, if you had two buttons, one that said "All out war between two sides, that you might have an extremely slim chance of winning," and the other said "Kill off all species as they currently are, creating one single species." How can you justify picking the latter to yourself, or to anyone else for that matter?

Because we view the buttons differently, as I said.  Me, and my Shepard, interpreted the options in my game as 'Certain Death' vs 'Survival through accelerated Evolution'.   You see it more as 'War with chance of winning', and 'Killing off all species'.  You see your buttons, I see my buttons.   People see different buttons.  I would have liked a button G, but it wasn't there, so I picked what was the best button in my Shep's mind. 

And to some people button B is totally awesome.  Good for them.
 

Its not quite how I view it, I was just stating so for the sake of the arguement. However, you and I can agree on that I am happy that some are able to get some satisfaction from the endings. I just simply cannot.

[N-Seven]

IronVanguard wrote...

Nah, it's cool. You just turn people into part-robot people.

I wonder if they can survive on just energy, though? That'd solve the resource issue for everyone stuck in Sol.

I theorize that they don't have to eat.  At least not we would call eating.  It's a 'weakness' of organic beings that would be removed...needing to consume proteins and carbohydrates.   No more pooping.  Think about it.

Modifié par N-Seven, 22 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Exeider]

I just got one thing to say to that



-AE

[Alamar2078]

IronVanguard wrote...

How did they kill diversity?

They didn't turn everyone into Systhesis humans. They are still Turians, they're just part synthetic. Same for the quarians, and the Salarians, and the Asari.
And the Geth, though I guess they were made part organic. Or something.

Frankly the whole thing requires space magic to even work, but beyond that, Shepard hardly "destroyed" diversity. He did change the basis of life I guess, but eh.

I would claim the [potentially invalid] difference in diversity between organic && inorganic was destroyed.  When you think about this piece of diversity being destroyed it's a short leap to other very ugly things.

YMMV

[IronVanguard]

Eh, probably biased because this systhesis deal sounds cool.

[akana-may]

Reapers are combination of synthetic and organic life... correct?
YES

The Crucible "gives Child new options?
YES

How about possibility, that Crucible is Upgrade?

Old version - we make reapers, they will destroy everything DNA based and turn it into more reapers, so new DNA base life could develop... DNA life is unable to hold its own mental processing when under reapers control - reapers are "as far as we can go" when mixing life forms.

New version - we dont need to "process" DNA life into reapers, we can "on site" change them to new hybrid form and as far as we can say they can hold their free memories, personality, free will....

Of course we are still in premise that organic and synthetic life cant coexist. That is Childs (or its creators) premise, but is it Shep. premise? I dont think so... he/she strives for coexistence (atleast as paragon). Even if he/she doesnt have another options he/she should atleast ask a bit more...

[Foolsfolly]

IsaacShep wrote...

Forgetting about all the plotholes why did the Normandy ended up on the jungle planet, I'm REALLY liking the synthesis ending. it requires Shep to sacrifice himself completely (in control ending it's just the body), yet seeing EDI and Joker smile and how life got trasformed was just beautiful.

Yeah, but how did human DNA rewrite synthetics again? Also how did anything change? And finally other than a "Hey, everyone just got killed and we have no idea if Earth survived so let's smile like idiots at each other, EDI" smile from Joker what's the difference between the other two endings?

[Manton-X2]

I find it a bit disheartening and mildly upsetting that there are people here who would view what is essentially the complete destruction of every organic and self-aware synthetic's culture and individuality in the galaxy as a beautiful and desirable thing.

And the fact that they do come out looking happy and content is horrifying. For all they knew, when that relay exploded the Earth was obliterated and all those ships are gone. They have just gone through a war where billions of individuals have died horribly. And now they're standing there looking pleased. Yea, I'm sure their individuality and free will would still be intact.

I would rather die today standing on my feet than live a thousand years on my knees.

[tiger-tron]

I didn't choose the synthesis ending because of the indoctrination possibility. The Reaper threat would also remain. I felt it was best to destroy the Reapers altogether.

Shepard had no right to toy with evolution and combine something that wasn't natural to organics. I believe a full paragon Shepard would have stayed true to the mission and destroy the Reapers - getting justice for the dead and to preserve peace. Who knows what would happen if you combined organics and synthetics. It was too risky and could have been a Reaper trap because they were afraid that Shepard could end them. Plus Shepard is still around to protect the world. What good is a dead Shepard? there is no Cerberus to bring them back.

[Foolsfolly]

Shepard had no right to toy with evolution and combine something that wasn't natural to organics.

Yeah, the whole uplifted theme from the series. Mordin and Legion especially hone in on that theme again and again in ME2. Yeah, I have no idea why any Shepard would decide the evolutionary course of all species in the galaxy. They hadn't earned it yet.

It went wrong every single time and, in fact, the Mass Relays and Citadel are a means of the Reapers uplifting species around the galaxy. But here it's somehow ok to uplift?

No. No, it's not.

[tiger-tron]

Exactly, and I'd hate the idea of one SOLDIER changing me into some sort of half human half Terminator/cyborg hybrid.

Modifié par tiger-tron, 22 mars 2012 - 08:02 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

o Ventus wrote...

Yeah, I like gassing everyone with space magic too.

Oh, plus the whole "implied Big Brother society" thing, plus the unification of every single being in the galaxy, advanced or not, and the loss of all identity. Destroy + gasping is looking pretty good right about now.

How is this implied?

[Shiran]

Synthesis is horrible because it forces icky organic stuff on every Geth in the Galaxy :/

[leafyFresh]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Oh god. Turning people part synthetic against their will is anything but beautiful. It's horrid. Who knows what effect it had on them? We have NO IDEA how much it affected their individualism.

Don't even get me started about how much sense it doesn't make.

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