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[Skirlasvoud]

I agree with you that it's the best ending of the three bad ones. Seeing EDI and joker is a step in the right direction.


Now I just need to know about EVERYTHING ELSE. I haven't played this game just so joker could find love.

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 22 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[Myrmedus]

I do understand the OP's point, it touched a sad note with me seeing my Shepard dive into that beam to the music.... I thought it'd be just one of the endings, like in DA:O where one of the endings had you sacrifice yourself, so I could stomach the sadness .

Then I saw the rest of the ending.

Then I saw the other two.

Then the rage came. THE RAGE.

[Myrmedus]

leafyFresh wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Oh god. Turning people part synthetic against their will is anything but beautiful. It's horrid. Who knows what effect it had on them? We have NO IDEA how much it affected their individualism.

Don't even get me started about how much sense it doesn't make.

qft

WHAT? Dude! I want to be part synthetic! I want to be a friggin cyborg! DID YOU PLAY DEUS EX?

"My vision is augmented."

HELL YEAH!

I want to be able to jump 30 feet in the air and punch people 15 metres across the room.

I want to be able to turn invisible!

MAKE ME A CYBORG!

But seriously, the Reapers didn't see the difference between that and humans getting there themselves - the typical logic of a machine - where in reality there is a huge difference, indeed.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 22 mars 2012 - 08:53 .

[SimKoning]

I thought it was the most incongruous piece of bad science fiction I have ever seen.

Modifié par SimKoning, 22 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Sir MOI]

yes I am IMPOSING to everybody to be improved by synthesis. I don't care if a minority thinks being improved is a bad thing, I care about the well being of the galactic society and if that means imposing my improvment against their will, I will. As democracy shows us, people don't always want what's best for them.

[SimKoning]

Hey, can someone explain to me how you go about combining biochemistry like DNA with a quantum computer? 

Modifié par SimKoning, 22 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[spartan5127]

Synthesis = "MY WILL BE DONE"

Shepard is not that arrogant to think that he can decide what every being in the galaxy is going to be from this point forward. Also the series is about how our differences make us stronger together. Forced homogenization kind of goes against that.

[Sir MOI]

IronVanguard wrote...

How did they kill diversity?

They didn't turn everyone into Systhesis humans. They are still Turians, they're just part synthetic. Same for the quarians, and the Salarians, and the Asari.
And the Geth, though I guess they were made part organic. Or something.

Frankly the whole thing requires space magic to even work, but beyond that, Shepard hardly "destroyed" diversity. He did change the basis of life I guess, but eh.

[Falconee]

I guess, taking synthesis should be a good ending.

You only get that with a  couple of EMS points. So "Destroy" and "Control" are the basic choices, "Synthesis" is clearly a bonus. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
I cant imagine sitting the writers together saying:
Oh, the player did a good job in te game, lets just throw in another ****ty Choice that will make him like Saren.

There is no "right" choice at the end, neither is there a bad you-will-be-reaper choice. Its a matter of taste.
(And im not saying, the ending explains enough to end the trilogy properly)

I choosed synthesis on rational thoughts.

I fought for the Geth, helped them improve theirselves to AI's. I helped EDI become more human, braught her together with Joker.
How could i possibly take the "Destroy" Option? Whiping out a whole civilisation is not the style my shepard lived and acted. Thats a renegade choice. Gathering the Geth and then saying: "Oh, sorry. You are not worth living. I choose organic life above all other forms of existence, meet me at the bar."

I choosed control with my first playtrough. But that was a littlebit too much the way the illusive man tooks, which i always tried to talk him out. SO i rejected that choice this time.

Synthesis is great. Yeah, i could've asked all lifeforms in the galaxy while they are anihilated by the reapers, but i think they prefer living. And i dont see any negative effect of synthesis in the game, infact i saved earth and all civilisations and EDI and Joker are still a couple. I accomplished all i fought for.

Thats what is in the game right now most of the other things discussed here (Reaper Control through Synthesis etc.) is suggestion of the players. I'll stick with game-canon and wait for the DLC for filling the plotholes.

P.s.:
Garrus, meet me at the Bar. Just arrived and I'm having a drink or two on your health.

Modifié par Falconee, 22 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Sonashi]

Oh God, i think everyone should read this, especially REASON 2:
http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/5/

Now you should imagine that every ending has serious problems. We have bigger issues to resolve so please stop fighting and insulting each other.

We can all agree that we would like to see some conclusion to endings right?

[Shiran]

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

[spartan5127]

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Modifié par spartan5127, 22 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[SimKoning]

Still waiting for someone to explain to me how combining genetics with a quantum computer makes sense...

[Shiran]

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

[spartan5127]

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

Evolution is the theory that describes how species have changed over time.  Theories do not have a goal.  Gravity does not have a goal, plate tectonics does not have a goal.  They just are.  Sentient beings might have the goal of survival, but evolution does not.

[SimKoning]

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

Natrual selection by defintion has no goal, there is no end point to be reached, and it's not a ladder to be climbed. If an intelligence is coming down from space to alter the genes of species, then that isn't evolution in the conventional sense, that's genetic engineering.  

[Durontan]

Azrael08151819 wrote...

Three endings ? I did have one. Wait there where slight changes in the color! You are right.

If you look at it that way then Mass effect 1 and 2 have compleatly same ending. First game human fleet destroys Sovereign. There is little variation do you save council or not so animation is a bit different but no real difference,  second game has even two endings. One where Shepard dies and Joker escapes with Station explosion or where Shepard gets onboard and station explodes. As animation clearly shows the bang of station, doesn't matter do you save it or not, station goes boom, difference is does it stay whole or not. And out of those two endings one ending you can't transport to game 3 so... you again have just one ending.

3 different colors represent 3 different endings for galaxy, just like first 2 games had more then 1 ending, so yes, game does have 3 endings. And like I said, I don't mind the 3 choices, I mind how they were introduced and forced on players without giving real reason why those are our only 3 choices. And all the plot bugs with Normandy and exposions of the mass relays.

[Sonashi]

[...]

Tolerance and Unity


Arguably, the overreaching thrust of Mass Effect from the first
moment you meet Shepard to the landing of forces from all over the
galaxy on Earth is tolerance. Humanity has worked to find its place in
the galaxy, overcoming old prejudices to work forward toward a common
future. Each game has Shepard putting aside the issues of his crew with
one another and with him in order to get a job done, and everyone is
better for it. While Shepard can choose to take the side of one person
or race over another in many instances, often condemning one side to
destruction, the theme at work in all cases is one of finding a place in
the universe among all the other races. Even if you choose to be intolerant, the very fact that tolerance or intolerance is the choice at hand builds on the theme.
The theme is extended even further throughout the games as Shepard
brings together a team of various species who carry a lot of emotional
baggage and problems with each other from a historical, cultural and
racial standpoint. Unifying them, turning them from enemies to allies,
is dealt with repeatedly in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2; by Mass
Effect 3, it’s extending to include the entire galaxy. Shepard is
literally solving long-standing problems of hatred and violence between
several groups of people. He helps them learn tolerance, and later,
unity.
The Illusive Man stands against these themes as a symbol of hatred
and racism, pushing humanity backward and separating it. And the Reapers
stand against these themes, unyielding in their belief that organic
life must be wiped out/harvested/ascended/whatever. But where tolerance
has always been an option in the games before, and has always been
achievable before, it is discarded wholly in the end. There is no
tolerance permitted among the Reapers or by the Guardian. And in fact,
the synthesis ending dismantles the idea of tolerance and unity
altogether by forcing homogenization on all the life in the galaxy,
synthetic included. The control ending forces the Reapers to
tolerate you, with the assumption that eventually, synthetics will ruin
everything again through their lack of tolerance; the destruction
ending, as the Guardian claims, will mean the eventual destruction by
all synthetics.


Mass Effect continually asks “Can’t we call just get along?” and as
Shepard, players can work toward that end for three full games. But the
ending totally undoes your work toward galactic unity by undervaluing
it, then throwing it out altogether, almost as though it were intended
for another story. So what that the races of the galaxy have come to
value and understand one another in a way never before possible as they
unite against a common enemy: not possible with synthetics and organics,
the Guardian proclaims. That’s just an immutable fact. So you’re forced
to choose a solution that discards free will.
But the very fact that Shepard is where he is means he has already
chosen a solution — unity; tolerance. In the end, Shepard is forced to
make a decision that implies that unity, working together, tolerance on a
galactic scale — the very things he has been working toward and
accomplishing over the span of the entire game (and all three games,
really), at every step — are inconsequential and in fact incompatible
with the reality of the game’s story. Doesn’t matter how many alliances
you broker or how much understanding you cultivate: it makes absolutely
no difference.
[...]

maybe that will help

[Sir MOI]

Obviously it has no goals. But transhumanism gives us the power to give it that GOAL.

Modifié par Sir MOI, 22 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[metawanderer]

I loved the synthesis ending . It is the only ending I can see my paragon Shepard choosing. I do wish there was some more closure with your squad mates but I am assuming that Bioware will do that with future dlc.

[Shiran]

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

Evolution is the theory that describes how species have changed over time.  Theories do not have a goal.  Gravity does not have a goal, plate tectonics does not have a goal.  They just are.  Sentient beings might have the goal of survival, but evolution does not.

Except we weren't talk about "theories" but about things themselves. Gravity has goals: To bring object closer together and to make mammaries sag. Plate tectonics have goals: To relieve forces resulting from plates in planetary crust interacting with each other and to keep housing market in California under some semblence of Control.

[justafan]

Honestly, I find Red to be the most beautiful. Shepard makes huge sacrifices in the hope that life will find a way to break the cycle. Green and Blue impose order from based on the will of an individual, either through synthesis or keeping the Reapers in reserve, but in destroy Shepard has no guarantees that the cycle will end and no way to stop it if it doesn't. He has blind faith in the species he has spent 3 games gathering together who are finally united under one banner will find a way to live in harmony on their own. Through destroy, Shepard gives the galaxy true freedom, freedom to live, freedom to make mistakes, and freedom to develop along the path they choose.

[spartan5127]

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

Evolution is the theory that describes how species have changed over time.  Theories do not have a goal.  Gravity does not have a goal, plate tectonics does not have a goal.  They just are.  Sentient beings might have the goal of survival, but evolution does not.

Except we weren't talk about "theories" but about things themselves. Gravity has goals: To bring object closer together and to make mammaries sag. Plate tectonics have goals: To relieve forces resulting from plates in planetary crust interacting with each other and to keep housing market in California under some semblence of Control.

This is how a scientist who follows Aristotle's views of science would view things.  What is the purpose (telos) of things?  Yes, Aristotle would describe these things in a similar way that you are describing this.  However, that is just not how we view things anymore.  Not to say that this view isn't compelling.  Aristotle's views of science lasted for thousands of years.

Modifié par spartan5127, 22 mars 2012 - 09:26 .

[SimKoning]

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Did y'all try to rip Javrik's head because his nation did same thing to Human and Asarins? (And probably Turians, Salarians etc) It's called guided evolution and it is done all the time. Transhumanism is ultimate goal of the Evolution.

Believing that evolution has a goal is a fundamentally flawed statement. 

Hence it's guided. See Krogan "uplifting" by Salarians. Human "uplifting" by Prothean. Read the novels from "Noon" Universe.

Oh and of course Evolution has the goal: The Survival.

Evolution is the theory that describes how species have changed over time.  Theories do not have a goal.  Gravity does not have a goal, plate tectonics does not have a goal.  They just are.  Sentient beings might have the goal of survival, but evolution does not.

Except we weren't talk about "theories" but about things themselves. Gravity has goals: To bring object closer together and to make mammaries sag. Plate tectonics have goals: To relieve forces resulting from plates in planetary crust interacting with each other and to keep housing market in California under some semblence of Control.

A goal is contingent upon the existence of a mind that can have goals. Evolution, gravity, plate tectonics etc.. are blind natural forces, thus they can have no goals. 

[Falconee]

justafan wrote...

Honestly, I find Red to be the most beautiful. Shepard makes huge sacrifices in the hope that life will find a way to break the cycle. Green and Blue impose order from based on the will of an individual, either through synthesis or keeping the Reapers in reserve, but in destroy Shepard has no guarantees that the cycle will end and no way to stop it if it doesn't. He has blind faith in the species he has spent 3 games gathering together who are finally united under one banner will find a way to live in harmony on their own. Through destroy, Shepard gives the galaxy true freedom, freedom to live, freedom to make mistakes, and freedom to develop along the path they choose.

Yeah, and whiped out the Geth and EDI.

I would have taken this option into consideration without these shortcomings.

Modifié par Falconee, 22 mars 2012 - 09:27 .