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[Gibb_Shepard]

mikelope wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mikelope wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

The synthesis ending doesnt fix anything. Think about it. Do wars suddenly end because organics are merged with synthetics? The geth fought against the Reapers!

It doesn't have to solve everything but it does solve the organic-synthetic problem which is supposedly the main problem, said the kid. It was terribly implemented and construed but I think it is a valid option and solution if done well.

No it doesn't. These cyborgs will eventually create AI again. There is nothing stopping them from doing this. There is also nothing stopping the AI from rebelling.

This is the biggest issue with Synthesis. It actually DOESN"T solve anything, so the choice is absolutely useless.

Doesn't this happen in any ending you can think of. And aren't you extrapolating too far into the future. Who knows what 'cyborg'-ai conflict would entail. For the ME trilogy, synthesis solves the current problem. If it wasn't such a cop-out and if it was explained well, this would have been fine for me.

So it solves the problem because the "nature" of the conflict is now different? It's not. Assuming the cyborg's still have free-will, then the nature of the conflict would be exactly the same. Basically everyone is now Shepard, and Shepard isn't any different because of his tech.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Rehwyn wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

If you can get past how much sense Synthesis doesn't make, and how illogical the whole thing is in the context of the choices, then sure; i guess giving trees a CPU and guns genitals could be seen as beautiful.

As funny as the concept is, I doubt guns suddenly are all organic. It was synthetic life that was changed, so unless you gun was a full AI...


There. I fixed it some.

Aahh!! Here is another problem.

What constitutes "synthetic life"? You do realize that the Geth are just VI's with a ****load more programs right? That's what the Geth are, a bunch of VI's in one platform that reach consensus through thousands of different "opinions".

Every piece of tech in the ME universe has at least one program. So unless this beam somehow has somekind of program detector that deduces the amount of programs per platform, it will make every single piece of tech in the ME universe useless.

[mikelope]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mikelope wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mikelope wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

So it solves the problem because the "nature" of the conflict is now different? It's not. Assuming the cyborg's still have free-will, then the nature of the conflict would be exactly the same. Basically everyone is now Shepard, and Shepard isn't any different because of his tech.

But why do you need that finality when you know it does not exist and cannot exist as long as there is intelligent life in the universe? What it gives is hope. Maybe it's going to be different. Maybe not but that' s not my problem. Of course it's not the ideal solution but it is a valid solution. My big problem is that it gives you the reapers on a silver platter. Plus it was not explored at all.

Modifié par mikelope, 23 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

mikelope wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mikelope wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mikelope wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

So it solves the problem because the "nature" of the conflict is now different? It's not. Assuming the cyborg's still have free-will, then the nature of the conflict would be exactly the same. Basically everyone is now Shepard, and Shepard isn't any different because of his tech.

But why do you need that finality when you know it does not exist and cannot exist as long as there is intelligent life in the universe? What it gives is hope. Maybe it's going to be different. Maybe not but that' s not my problem. Of course it's not the ideal solution but it is a valid solution. My big problem is that it gives you the reapers on a silver platter. Plus it was not explored at all.

But this isn't a question of the inevitable conflict between intelligent life, it's of the current supposed conflict. This solution does not provide a reason for anything being different when it come to AI and organics.

If the games had been fleshed out to show that AI ONLY attack organics because they don't have any "superior" assets (Synthetic parts), then this would be a solution. But it's not, and the game in fact points to the contrary.

I know what the writers were intending, but they ****ed it up beyond recognition. It's very unfortunate.

[Rehwyn]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Aahh!! Here is another problem.

What constitutes "synthetic life"? You do realize that the Geth are just VI's with a ****load more programs right? That's what the Geth are, a bunch of VI's in one platform that reach consensus through thousands of different "opinions".

Every piece of tech in the ME universe has at least one program. So unless this beam somehow has somekind of program detector that deduces the amount of programs per platform, it will make every single piece of tech in the ME universe useless.

Perhaps it was different in your playthrough, but in mine, Legion sacrificed himself to give all the geth true individual intelligence.

[QuarianHIV]

I'm sure Shepard took the time to ask every organic before he chose the synthesis ending.

[Stumpykins]

I hate synthesis ending!!!!!!

[Pedrak]

Nefelius wrote...

ye, but why couldn't i just toss dead Anderson in the beam? And what stops new robohumans from creating new AIs which will wage war on their creators?

Great. Now I'm picturing Shepard going "Hold on a sec!" to the damn kid, running away, dragging Anderson's dead body back and dumping him in the beam - and that's pretty hilarious

[AshenShug4r]

Unnatural abomination. Forcing the galaxy to become a weird green hybrid.

[JBPBRC]

Pedrak wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

ye, but why couldn't i just toss dead Anderson in the beam? And what stops new robohumans from creating new AIs which will wage war on their creators?

Great. Now I'm picturing Shepard going "Hold on a sec!" to the damn kid, running away, dragging Anderson's dead body back and dumping him in the beam - and that's pretty hilarious

Starbrat: No! You can't use him!

Shepard: FINE! *skulks off*

Starbrat: *turns to look at Anderson's body* Now what should I do with thi...*turns around*

*sees Shepard tossing TIM's body into the magic beam instead*

[Liamv2]

You evil reviver

[Kataphrut94]

It's a lovely ending. Great music, and everybody gets to live. It's what the Doctor would have chosen.

[Phen0meenal]

 

[ElSuperGecko]

Kataphrut94 wrote...
It's a lovely ending. Great music, and everybody gets to live. It's what the Doctor would have chosen.

It's "life", Jim.  But not as we know it. 

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 13 décembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Andromidius]

Necroing this thread explains alot about certain people still around on the forums 9 months later.

I can now safely completely ignore their 'opinions'.

[shepskisaac]

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 décembre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Steelcan]

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

.  It to mention Shepard completely idiotic sacrifice.  It was only put in there to.... I really have no idea, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Steelcan wrote...

It to mention Shepard completely idiotic sacrifice.  It was only put in there to.... I really have no idea, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

It is there to be a downside of Synthesis. Just like Geth n EDI dying in Destroy. And you can't make sense of it because there is none to begin with!

[Ieldra]

AshenShug4r wrote...
Unnatural abomination.

No such thing. Nature is what is. There are no abominations. Both expressions are value judgments dependent on implicit acceptance of a value system which is far from self-evident.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 décembre 2012 - 02:07 .

[Fixers0]

It's revolting.

[Liamv2]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AshenShug4r wrote...
Unnatural abomination.

No such thing. Nature is what is. There are no abominations. Both expressions are value judgments dependent on implicit acceptance of a value system which is far from self-evident.

This i chose control myself but i agree

[Falaxe]

Synthesis is just sick. Everyone being brainwashed to be one and the same with reapers is worse than death IMO.

Modifié par Falaxe, 13 décembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[devSin]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It's there so that Shepard can come across as some kind of self-sacrificial messiah figure.

Tell me another story about the Shepard!

[ElSuperGecko]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
It's there so that Shepard can come across as some kind of self-sacrificial messiah figure.

...or as a gullible, easily-swayed fool and history's greatest monster, depending on how you look at it.