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[MisterJB]

Falaxe wrote...

Synthesis is just sick. Everyone being brainwashed to be one and the same with reapers is worse than death IMO.

Of course, what would be a Synthesis thread without some baseless fear?

[Obadiah]

Steelcan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

.  It to mention Shepard completely idiotic sacrifice.  It was only put in there to.... I really have no idea, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

It was put in there to complete the theme of "uplifting through sacrifice" which is what Mordin and Legion do in their missions. The only problem is it doesn't make a whole lotta sense, and you got the option from your new frenemy, Catalyst.

It is a beautiful ending though.

[Liamv2]

God everybody come's on these threds just to bash people who like that ending don't they

Modifié par Liamv2, 13 décembre 2012 - 03:12 .

[Steelcan]

Obadiah wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

.  It to mention Shepard completely idiotic sacrifice.  It was only put in there to.... I really have no idea, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

It was put in there to complete the theme of "uplifting through sacrifice" which is what Mordin and Legion do in their missions. The only problem is it doesn't make a whole lotta sense, and you got the option from your new frenemy, Catalyst.

It is a beautiful ending though.

. Only if you can get past all the crap around it

[Red Panda]

Megachaz wrote...

I thought the synthesis option was pure evil. You just essentially altered the intrinsic nature of every living being. You took away the free will of every being in the galaxy.

Is that so, or did one simply allow them to rise beyond their petty squabbles?

[Red Panda]

Steelcan wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

.  It to mention Shepard completely idiotic sacrifice.  It was only put in there to.... I really have no idea, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

It was put in there to complete the theme of "uplifting through sacrifice" which is what Mordin and Legion do in their missions. The only problem is it doesn't make a whole lotta sense, and you got the option from your new frenemy, Catalyst.

It is a beautiful ending though.

. Only if you can get past all the crap around it

Well, it's not too far of a stretch , I mean Shepard got revived after going through re-entry over a planet.

[Red Panda]

MisterJB wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

Synthesis is just sick. Everyone being brainwashed to be one and the same with reapers is worse than death IMO.

Of course, what would be a Synthesis thread without some baseless fear?

There are always those who resist change. The same was said about Edison's lightbulb, and the also about the submarine.

[Kel Riever]

HEY, I'm going to give sythesis a break! No, really. I think it totally sucks. But get this...

Here's the deal, OP. Despite the atrocious failed logic of anything that comes after the catalyst starts talking, if we take out the ENTIRE content of the logic...say pretend we listened to the ending in a language we did not understand, we'd probably wonder why so many people hate the ending.

Because from a dramatic standpoint, the slides evoke interesting images that make people wonder, Trisha Helfer does her job as a voice actress and is compelling, the music is great, and visually, scenes look kind of epic. It is really only at the point that you make words matter that the ending sucks. Sadly, words do matter. Now if someone could only tell Casey and Matt that....

[Iakus]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Megachaz wrote...

I thought the synthesis option was pure evil. You just essentially altered the intrinsic nature of every living being. You took away the free will of every being in the galaxy.

Is that so, or did one simply allow them to rise beyond their petty squabbles?

Clearly the Krogan Rebellions could have been ended without a genophage if the salarians instead forcibly combined their own DNA with the krogans.  Yeah, that would have solved everything 

[JBPBRC]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

It's a lovely ending. Great music, and everybody gets to live. It's what the Doctor would have chosen.

Oh really?

Doctor: "But once you get rid of sickness and what's there to strive for? The Cybermen won't advance, you'll just stop, you'll stay like this forever, a metal world, with metal men and metal thoughts!"


Cybercontroller: Tell me Doctor, have you known grief, and rage, and pain? I could set you free, would you not want that, a life without pain?

Doctor: You might as well kill me.

RAAAHHH. YOU NO COME HERE.

Was literally just about to post this myself.

[clennon8]

Synthesis as a natural culmination of millions of years of galactic evolution is fine.

Forced Synthesis at the behest of the Reaper Overlord is a monumentally stupid idea. Seriously, your Shepard has to be one stupid, deluded mothereffer to go green.

Modifié par clennon8, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Iakus]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

It's a lovely ending. Great music, and everybody gets to live. It's what the Doctor would have chosen.

Oh really?

Doctor: "But once you get rid of sickness and mortality what's there to strive for? The Cybermen won't advance, you'll just stop, you'll stay like this forever, a metal world, with metal men and metal thoughts!"


Cybercontroller: Tell me Doctor, have you known grief, and rage, and pain? I could set you free, would you not want that, a life without pain?

Doctor: You might as well kill me.

"All scientific advancement due to intelligence overcoming, compensating for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations! No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates! Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready, disastrous. Saw it with Krogan. Uplifted by Salarians. Disastrous. Our Fault."

Seems appropriate given this Synthesis was devised by building a device no one knew what it did, and stuck it onto a Reaper intelligence no one knew existed!

Smart guy whoever said that.  Some professor, name began with an M...

[Xilizhra]

Saying that Synthesis ends all advancement is like saying that computers end all paperwork: some might think it intuitive from a brief glance at its potential, but it's ultimately a gross overestimate of what the advance actually does. Especially since the Synthesis epilogue outright states that more advancement is coming.

[MisterJB]

Finn the Jakey wrote...
Oh really?

Doctor: "But once you get rid of sickness and mortality what's there to strive for? The Cybermen won't advance, you'll just stop, you'll stay like this forever, a metal world, with metal men and metal thoughts!"


Cybercontroller: Tell me Doctor, have you known grief, and rage, and pain? I could set you free, would you not want that, a life without pain?

Doctor: You might as well kill me.

Two things.
First, ridding oneself of sickness and mortality are good things but definitively not the ultimate goal of life. There are always greater heigths to reach, ways for humanity to advance. Only now there aren't things like sickness and death to emcuber us.

Second, the Cybermen sacrifice good emotions so as to avoid bad ones. Nothing of the sort happens in Synthesis.

[Althix]

OP is there a connection between your thoughts about green ending and blue eyed black guy as your Shep LI?

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saying that Synthesis ends all advancement is like saying that computers end all paperwork: some might think it intuitive from a brief glance at its potential, but it's ultimately a gross overestimate of what the advance actually does. Especially since the Synthesis epilogue outright states that more advancement is coming.

Catalyst:  "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life"

What's left to advance?  Updating drivers?

[Jadebaby]

IsaacShep wrote...

Forgetting about all the plotholes why did the Normandy ended up on the jungle planet, I'm REALLY liking the synthesis ending. it requires Shep to sacrifice himself completely (in control ending it's just the body), yet seeing EDI and Joker smile and how life got trasformed was just beautiful.

what the [redacted]?

[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Saying that Synthesis ends all advancement is like saying that computers end all paperwork: some might think it intuitive from a brief glance at its potential, but it's ultimately a gross overestimate of what the advance actually does. Especially since the Synthesis epilogue outright states that more advancement is coming.

Catalyst:  "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life"

What's left to advance?  Updating drivers?

Evolution in terms of undirected advancement. All future advancement will be directed and won't count as evolution as such, but advancement it will remain. That's why it's the "final evolution," because it's the state that allows for all future advancement to be self-directed.

[Jadebaby]

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

I thought so...

[Eterna]

Synthesis kidnapped my baby!!

[Ieldra]

Liamv2 wrote...
God everybody come's on these threds just to bash people who like that ending don't they

You have no idea...

It's as if some people take it as a personal affront that anyone likes it. I used to be rather equanimous about it all, but it's gotten to the point that I want nothing more than to see Synthesis canonized just to stick it to those jerks.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IsaacShep wrote...

Idiotic necro, but Synthesis ending is still beautiful visually. However, thematically, I've noticed many problems with it since making this thread and EC introduces even more questionable topics (Reformed husks? Which people would want to continue living as husks?)

Even from a visual standpoint its messed up. And then there is EDI's final line, I don't think I could find a more loathsome line filled with betrayel in this game or perhaps the entire trilogy.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Saying that Synthesis ends all advancement is like saying that computers end all paperwork: some might think it intuitive from a brief glance at its potential, but it's ultimately a gross overestimate of what the advance actually does. Especially since the Synthesis epilogue outright states that more advancement is coming.

Catalyst:  "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life"

What's left to advance?  Updating drivers?

Evolution in terms of undirected advancement. All future advancement will be directed and won't count as evolution as such, but advancement it will remain. That's why it's the "final evolution," because it's the state that allows for all future advancement to be self-directed.

That's how i take it. Evolution is meant in a more general sense as a paraphrase for advancement, including self-directed biological evolution of intelligent life, organic and synthetic. Non-intelligent life with get the biochemical basis for the same but of course can't self-direct, so it will be subject to the same evolutionary influences as before.

It's still a stupid way to phrase this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 décembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Saying that Synthesis ends all advancement is like saying that computers end all paperwork: some might think it intuitive from a brief glance at its potential, but it's ultimately a gross overestimate of what the advance actually does. Especially since the Synthesis epilogue outright states that more advancement is coming.

Catalyst:  "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life"

What's left to advance?  Updating drivers?

Evolution in terms of undirected advancement. All future advancement will be directed and won't count as evolution as such, but advancement it will remain. That's why it's the "final evolution," because it's the state that allows for all future advancement to be self-directed.

That's how i take it. Evolution is meant in a more general sense as a paraphrase for advancement, including self-directed biological evolution of intelligent life, organic and synthetic. Non-intelligent life with get the biochemical basis for the same but of course can't self-direct, so it will be subject to the same evolutionary influences as before.

It's still a stupid way to phrase this.

It's stupid, but fundamentally, Mass Effect is not a very intellectual series. Which it doesn't really need to be to serve its purpose, but it did make for a rather dissonant ending when they tried for an intellectualism that the series wasn't really equipped to handle.