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[Endgame13]

 It is IMPOSSIBLE to not get Alistar angry at you in the redcliffe castle. On my first playthrough I let the lady sacrifice herself. Alistar -21 approval rating. The second playthrough I killed connor instead. Alistar approval rating -21. I guess the only way to avoid this is not to bring Alistar but that is so incovient. I'm just angry that the whiny little templar is such a whinny *****........

[Melra]

Or just save them both with help of the Circle of the Magi.

[Daralii]

You realize there's a third option right? Recruit the Circle and ask Irving to bring some mages along to transport one of your mages to the Fade, if memory serves Alistair only gets +2 approval from it though.

[Mr.Skar]

The only real way to get him to not lose any approval (at least I think so) is to have the Mage Tower quest line done first. This way you can get the Mages to send a mage from your party into the Fade to save Connor without having to sacrifice Isolde. So do the mage tower first and have a mage (Wynne for me) in your party that can suggest this solution.

EDIT: Missed it by that much.

Modifié par Mr.Skar, 27 novembre 2009 - 10:51 .

[Recidiva]

There's another way. Keep asking if there are other options whenever the opportunity comes up when you're talking to the arlessa and Bann Teagan. You have to go to the Mage's Circle and side with the mages, get enough mages and Lyrium to combat the demon in The Fade.

Don't feel so bad. I talked to Connor too much once and the arlessa ended up cutting Connor's throat herself. Eeeeeeek.

[Recidiva]

Mr.Skar wrote...

The only real way to get him to not lose any approval (at least I think so) is to have the Mage Tower quest line done first. This way you can get the Mages to send a mage from your party into the Fade to save Connor without having to sacrifice Isolde. So do the mage tower first and have a mage (Wynne for me) in your party that can suggest this solution.

You don't have to save the circle first.  You just have to save the circle, in any order.  Connor will chill in the meantime.  Just...don't go talk to him.  *sad shake of the head*

[MatronAdena]

In both my plays I did redcliff, then used that as a reason to go to the circle tower and help the mages, then at the end of THAT quest, asked the first enchanter ti send help to redcliff, and sent Morrigan into the fade. ( she is funny in there too when talking to the Arl, she sounds like she's talking to a def, slow witted child )

[sagevallant]

Imagine that. The former Templar doesn't like you murdering someone and using their blood to fuel a spell. Or watching you murder a small child. What a jerk, amirite?

[pudi0072000]

I don't know if it was a glitch or if I'd used the killallhostiles cheat too much and messed something up, but I let Isolde sacrifice herself, and after Alistair said he wanted to talk I responded with "I thought it turned out pretty well, don't you?" and Alistair gave me his thanks - no hits to the relationship, but no positives either.

[marshalleck]

Threads like this are why Bioware can't write more ambiguity into their plots.

[Endgame13]

sagevallant wrote...

Imagine that. The former Templar doesn't like you murdering someone and using their blood to fuel a spell. Or watching you murder a small child. What a jerk, amirite?

The thing that ticks me off is when he says "Well you could have maybe have Isolode Sacrifice herself". No that doesn't work either!

[Spaceweed10]

Endgame13 wrote...

 It is IMPOSSIBLE to not get Alistar angry at you in the redcliffe castle. On my first playthrough I let the lady sacrifice herself. Alistar -21 approval rating. The second playthrough I killed connor instead. Alistar approval rating -21. I guess the only way to avoid this is not to bring Alistar but that is so incovient. I'm just angry that the whiny little templar is such a whinny *****........

Alistair is a royal PITA - I was so pleased at the end of my playthrough, that he was reported as being a drunk somewhere in the country.

He left Ferelden to the apparent mercy of the Archdemon, because of his own petty 'moral standards', as opposed to Loghain who sacrificed himself to attone for his wrongdoings.

Only one hero there - apart from myself, of course .

[Null]

Yeah, in my first playthrough I had Isolde sacrifice herself and sent Morrigan in the fade to kill the desire demon. Alistair. Was. Pissed.



It's ok though I gave him some action figures and his approval was up again.

[Majspuffen]

Well, Connor and Isolde where like family to him I suppose, even if he didn't like Isolde very much. I wish you could tell him though that the "time is of the essence!" and that leaving for the circle tower would place the village at risk. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to kill Connor. It's sad that you have to kill a child for the sake of what's best for the village, but if it has to be done it has to be done. There's no guarantee that Connor wont go nuts and start attacking the village while you're gone. (edit: Well, there is ... since the game is programmed that way, but I think you get the idea)

Modifié par Majspuffen, 28 novembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[Bullets McDeath]

There is a bug with Alistair in this situation, as one poster above noted. You can still sacrifice Isolde and when you Alistair talks to you about it in camp, just reply "i thought it turned out pretty well, don't you?"



Not sure if it works if you killed Connor, but it definitely works if you let Isolde sacrifice herself. You'll actually get an approval bonus.

[Naturalus]

I saved circle of mages before going to redcliffe so mages owned me favour then I got option ask mages to use large supply of lyrium to fuel the spell and I was able to save both mother and the kid.

[Cazlee]

Redcliffe was my first stop after Lothering, but I was still able to suggest getting help from the Circle of Magi.

Somehow Conner stays passive for the entire length of time you spend cleaning out the mage tower, and afterwards the mages are able to save him without the need to sacrifice anyone. Travelling to the tower went against my better judgement as I felt we were putting the entire town of Redcliffe at risk by leaving,  plus I have a strong dislike for Isolde and wanted her to suffer... but Alistair's guilty conscience always gets to me so I did what he wanted. <_<

Modifié par Cazlee, 28 novembre 2009 - 02:43 .

[Endurium]

The action figure comment was the funniest part of this thread. I never thought of those items that way, but I will now.

[Zyxxs]

I always figured that there was a way to solve the problem without killing either Conner or Isolde, but I purposely did not pursue it.



Jowan and Isolde made quite a mess, and it cost many innocents their lives. In my mind, at least, someone had to pay the price for it, and Isolde sacrificing herself for her son seemed like the perfect justice.

[Serenity84]

If your persuasion skill is high enough you can convince Alistair that it was the right thing to do and that it was what she wanted. You'll still lose some points, but only about 10 or so.

[Sereaph502]

Endgame13 wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

Imagine that. The former Templar doesn't like you murdering someone and using their blood to fuel a spell. Or watching you murder a small child. What a jerk, amirite?

The thing that ticks me off is when he says "Well you could have maybe have Isolode Sacrifice herself". No that doesn't work either!

Except Jowen offers blood magic, and Isolode offers herself.  Alistair has never, ever recommended blood magic for anything.

And if you keep asking for alternatives they'll tell you about the circle of magi.

But if you're the type of person that sees one choice and decides "MINE" without looking for alternatives, then yes, there is no way to have alistair NOT lose approval besides not having him in the party.

[Dakota Strider]

I am all against the needless killing of innocents. But in this case, letting Isolde sacrifice herself to save Connor was only justice. Because of her selfish mistake, of trying to keep Connor from the Circle, not only was the Arl poisoned by the mage she hired to tutor Connor, but many Redcliffe villagers and soldiers died because of it. Who is going to explain to all of these victims family members and friends, that the person responsible for their loved one(s) being killed was the Arl's wife, who did so by breaking the law, and is alive and well after all is done?

And it would be wrong to kill Connor...it was not his fault that his mother did not send him to the Circle to be taught properly.

The way I saw it, letting Isolde sacrifice herself, was not only justice, but gave her a chance to redeem herself after all the pain and suffering she caused the innocents of the keep and village. I do not recall Alistair's negative reaction to be near as severe as -21. For some reason, -9 is what I recall. But I do not care if it was -50, I did not make the decision to get brownie points from him, or anyone else.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 28 novembre 2009 - 04:32 .

[Naxarrath]

sagevallant wrote...

Imagine that. The former Templar doesn't like you murdering someone and using their blood to fuel a spell. Or watching you murder a small child. What a jerk, amirite?

Indeed, a templar who does not like to kill an abomination imagine that.