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[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

The OP is incorrect. I see very little complaining that Shepard dies. We all know he can live. One of the problems is that in order for Shepard to live he must doom the Geth and EDI. He must also send the galaxy into a galactic dark age as the starchild tells him it will destroy much of the technology people rely on. Going as far as to specifically point out that Shepard has cybernetic implants. These will presumably fail. Good luck getting medical attention after waking up in that rubble Shepard.

Under this ending a rescue for the Normandy's crew seems impossible. Meaning Tali and Garrus starve, or shoot each other in the head to prevent such a torturous death.

This is all before we address plot holes, insane reaper motives and SPACE MAGIC.

I can prove that wihtout a doubt wrong, this one is easy.

you are lied to. the destroy option only kills reapers, like the crucible inteded, the boy lies to dissuade you.
PROOF OF THIS IS THAT ONLY DESTROY OPTION SHOWS YOU LIVING.

kid said you would die / destroy reapers anyway / realize you just survived and chose correctly

The kid does not say that Destroy will kill you.  Please replay the game.  You are providing no proof of anything.  

13:50 the convo... nuff said

He says you are partly synthetic, implying your cybernetic implants will fail, not that it will kill you.

point is kid is trying to tell you something you dont want to hear to make it unappealing. if he told you that it would kill all reapers and you would live after, would you even wait to hear the other options?

If your theory was true he would try to make the other options sound MORE appealing not less.  But he explicity states under control "You will die."  Under Destroy he simply says "Even you are partially synthetic.

Modifié par Atraiyu Wrynn, 13 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[Capeo]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ending is indoctrination attempt. if you choose destroy, Shep is never indoctrinated. EVER, just in a hallucination during the attempt, but then he wakes...

We need a better term for people who buy this.  Indoctrination truthers or something.

[Tiax Rules All]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ending is indoctrination attempt. if you choose destroy, Shep is never indoctrinated. EVER, just in a hallucination during the attempt, but then he wakes...

We need a better term for people who buy this.  Indoctrination truthers or something.

but what if it is the truth.. what does that make you?

actually I dont care, i dont want to get into name calling. dont believe then, go off and be angry and bitter.

You want to debate a point, im here, want to call me names? not gonna go there (this time at least)

[Carmen_Willow]

I don't care if it was a dying dream, a vision for the future or whatever. I want my hero to save the day. I want my happy ending. Call me a rube, call my a ****eyed optimist. I still want it.. Period. I didn't pay to witness a near death scenario. I want a living Shepard who defeats the terrible enemy and flies off into the starset with her boyfriend and bff at her side. End of discussion.

[Smiley556]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


If your theory was true he would try to make the other options sound MORE appealing not less.  But he explicity states under control "You will die."  Under Destroy he simply says "Even you are partially synthetic.

He does make the other options sound more appealing...

Reaper kid image: "You can do what the illusive man failed, touch the electrical stuff and kill yourself, but its really good, you control us, trust me you can, why would I say so if you couldnt? Eitherway that way we will have a happy end. Or you can make a suicidal jump into that beam and kill yourself and we will all have synthesis, the final evolution, just as your dear friend Saren explained to you on Virmire. And we can all live happily ever after. Or you can destroy us, kill Edi and the geth, and even you yourself are part synthetic, so can you imagine? Nah, dont take this option, its bad, trust me, take one of the other two."

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ending is indoctrination attempt. if you choose destroy, Shep is never indoctrinated. EVER, just in a hallucination during the attempt, but then he wakes...

We need a better term for people who buy this.  Indoctrination truthers or something.

but what if it is the truth.. what does that make you?

actually I dont care, i dont want to get into name calling. dont believe then, go off and be angry and bitter.

You want to debate a point, im here, want to call me names? not gonna go there (this time at least)

What is amazing here is that you don't see that your entire OP is name calling.  "You guys don;'t understand the ending.  Allow me with my superior intelligence to explain it to you."

[Rawgrim]

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


If your theory was true he would try to make the other options sound MORE appealing not less.  But he explicity states under control "You will die."  Under Destroy he simply says "Even you are partially synthetic.

He does make the other options sound more appealing...

Reaper kid image: "You can do what the illusive man failed, touch the electrical stuff and kill yourself, but its really good, you control us, trust me you can, why would I say so if you couldnt? Eitherway that way we will have a happy end. Or you can make a suicidal jump into that beam and kill yourself and we will all have synthesis, the final evolution, just as your dear friend Saren explained to you on Virmire. And we can all live happily ever after. Or you can destroy us, kill Edi and the geth, and even you yourself are part synthetic, so can you imagine? Nah, dont take this option, its bad, trust me, take one of the other two."

also notice that the Illusive man choice has paragon colours. A paragon would sacrifice himself if need be, wouldn`t he?

[Gruzmog]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I don't care if it was a dying dream, a vision for the future or whatever. I want my hero to save the day. I want my happy ending. Call me a rube, call my a ****eyed optimist. I still want it.. Period. I didn't pay to witness a near death scenario. I want a living Shepard who defeats the terrible enemy and flies off into the starset with her boyfriend and bff at her side. End of discussion.

But that is a personal preference, while I dislike the current endings I am totally fine if there will be no and they all lived happily ever after ending. Still gess we won't know for awhile. the ending is an inddoctrination theory is just that, you might be right.

I would prefer you guys to be right then bioware dropping the ball as bigtime as it seems at first glance though.

Modifié par Gruzmog, 13 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

If your theory was true he would try to make the other options sound MORE appealing not less.  But he explicity states under control "You will die."  Under Destroy he simply says "Even you are partially synthetic.

look i thought it was pretty obvious that shading andersons destroy option renegade red and presenting it in that way when TIM is paragon blue and synth is glowing click click me right smack in the middle showed that it was all an attempt to manipulate sheps thinking.

oh BTW the "right" (correct) ending is on the "right" (direction) side of the choices. sure im being silly but....

[Rawgrim]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

If your theory was true he would try to make the other options sound MORE appealing not less.  But he explicity states under control "You will die."  Under Destroy he simply says "Even you are partially synthetic.

look i thought it was pretty obvious that shading andersons destroy option renegade red and presenting it in that way when TIM is paragon blue and synth is glowing click click me right smack in the middle showed that it was all an attempt to manipulate sheps thinking.

oh BTW the "right" (correct) ending is on the "right" (direction) side of the choices. sure im being silly but....

Another hint is in the final dream sequence. She reaches the child and they both burst into flames at the first contact. Joining the reapers = Shep`s destruction. Thats why he dies if he picks any option but Destroy.

[piemanz]

I like this theory, but it doesn't explain why having a low EMS leaves you incapable of selecting the supposed worst option.

Modifié par piemanz, 13 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[Smiley556]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


What is amazing here is that you don't see that your entire OP is name calling.  "You guys don;'t understand the ending.  Allow me with my superior intelligence to explain it to you."

Many people dont understand the ending, and we are helping people to understand. Yup, thats exactly what we are doing and theres tons of people that have thanked us for it. If you have a problem with that, well, go be grumpy about the ending but dont take it out on the OP. This thread is about explaining the ending, not about you being butthurt about the fact that someone is implying you might be wrong about something.

[Tiax Rules All]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I don't care if it was a dying dream, a vision for the future or whatever. I want my hero to save the day. I want my happy ending. Call me a rube, call my a ****eyed optimist. I still want it.. Period. I didn't pay to witness a near death scenario. I want a living Shepard who defeats the terrible enemy and flies off into the starset with her boyfriend and bff at her side. End of discussion.

I get your want for it but i think we were groomed to assume that this is a muture series that a muture and dark story and at no time were we promised a appily ever after, and moreso i dont think its even appropriate. There is soo much death and loss i the series. What makes you think shepard was ever going to make it out alive? or that it would even make sense to the story,

its a tragic ending to a mature story. Its not unpressidented to get a "sad" ending in games and movies, just maybe not as common cause it risks backlash.

[Nefelius]

Shepard was not indoctrinated at all.

When the Reapers move the Citadel to Earth in order to save it from the Crucible, thay are in fact afraid of a giant cachalot stored inside of it!

You see Reapers are a form of a giant Squids.
As we all know giant squids are a source of food for cachalotes.
The sapient galaxy races came to conclusion that giant space squids will be perfect food source for giant space cachalote.
But there was a problem. Due to lack of time there can be only one giant space cachalote built. So everyone needed to replicate the cachalote in numbers enough to eat all the squids.
Since the Realys are massive sources of energy and the Citadel is the biggest Relay, the Crucible needed to be attached to it in order to power the replication.
By the time the attachment was done there was need of turning the switch from inside the citadel. That's why Shepard ran in.
The deity you refer to as "space wizard" was actually Shepard's reflection in the mirror, and basically he spoke to himself the entire time because the Habinja's laser that hit Shep damaged his brain.

What? The "indoctrination" fact lacking theory can exist and this not?

[Rawgrim]

piemanz wrote...

I like this theory, but it doesn't explain why having a low EMS leaves you incapable of selecting the supposed worst option.

It has to do with Shep`s confidence and resolve. If he knows his army won`t beat the reapers at all, it would leave him more open to "giving up" and grasping at the first straw presented to him. Stuff like that.

[Tiax Rules All]

piemanz wrote...

I like this theory, but it doesn't explain why having a low EMS leaves you incapable of selecting the supposed worst option.

to this i would say that you never had a chance to win the war anyways. Indoctrinating shepard was never the desperate last option of harbinger and the reapers never stood a chance of losing.

[mariosgh]

OP makes a lot of sense. But now what? If indoctrination theory is true I expect Bioware to release expansion/DLC/whaterver soon. If not ending is even more dissapointing. Bioware please say something.

[Xxshortkill3rxX]

im just sad that in any way you want to descrive it mass effect shoud no hade end it like that why the cut ending showd the ship desriod and in what planet and the old star gaser and the kid why the catalist was the kid you try to save and why thers a cut that shows the kid from the dreams shepard had going to some one and that some one is shepard dose he have a son nothing makes sences plz explain

[The Big Palooka]

No, OP, no.

Look, I totally get the dream/hallucination/indoctrination theory. I get it. I even had the same impression when I played through the ending - the fact that they used the same you-move-so-painfully-slow-it-stretches-the-sequence-to-quadruple-its-actual-length mechanic as the actual vanilla "THIS IS A DREAM SEQUENCE" sequences kind of cements the sensation.

I can wrap my head around this concept just fine, because it IS so obviously better than the implications of the ending we're given, but what I can't wrap my head around is the idea of Bioware doing something so financially risky for no apparent reason.

...Having said that, if they came out and told us oh, just kidding, real ending's better - I'd still take it. Even if I didn't believe they did it on purpose. And tbh, the fact that Bioware somehow managed to generate a need for the biggest coping mechanism I've ever seen in response to a game is pretty darn impressive, just in all the wrong ways.

[piemanz]

Rawgrim wrote...

piemanz wrote...

I like this theory, but it doesn't explain why having a low EMS leaves you incapable of selecting the supposed worst option.

It has to do with Shep`s confidence and resolve. If he knows his army won`t beat the reapers at all, it would leave him more open to "giving up" and grasping at the first straw presented to him. Stuff like that.

I don't know, in many ways this theory makes sense but in others it doesn't hold water.

[MassiveEffects]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ending is indoctrination attempt. if you choose destroy, Shep is never indoctrinated. EVER, just in a hallucination during the attempt, but then he wakes...

We need a better term for people who buy this.  Indoctrination truthers or something.

Made me lol, not even sure why.

[Smiley556]

Xxshortkill3rxX wrote...

im just sad that in any way you want to descrive it mass effect shoud no hade end it like that why the cut ending showd the ship desriod and in what planet and the old star gaser and the kid why the catalist was the kid you try to save and why thers a cut that shows the kid from the dreams shepard had going to some one and that some one is shepard dose he have a son nothing makes sences plz explain

Please for the love of space kid gods use punctuation so we can understand what your saying.

[Lugaidster]

Nefelius wrote...

Shepard was not indoctrinated at all.

When the Reapers move the Citadel to Earth in order to save it from the Crucible, thay are in fact afraid of a giant cachalot stored inside of it!

You see Reapers are a form of a giant Squids.
As we all know giant squids are a source of food for cachalotes.
The sapient galaxy races came to conclusion that giant space squids will be perfect food source for giant space cachalote.
But there was a problem. Due to lack of time there can be only one giant space cachalote built. So everyone needed to replicate the cachalote in numbers enough to eat all the squids.
Since the Realys are massive sources of energy and the Citadel is the biggest Relay, the Crucible needed to be attached to it in order to power the replication.
By the time the attachment was done there was need of turning the switch from inside the citadel. That's why Shepard ran in.
The deity you refer to as "space wizard" was actually Shepard's reflection in the mirror, and basically he spoke to himself the entire time because the Habinja's laser that hit Shep damaged his brain.

What? The "indoctrination" fact lacking theory can exist and this not?

Let's see how many votes that gets 

[piemanz]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

piemanz wrote...

I like this theory, but it doesn't explain why having a low EMS leaves you incapable of selecting the supposed worst option.

to this i would say that you never had a chance to win the war anyways. Indoctrinating shepard was never the desperate last option of harbinger and the reapers never stood a chance of losing.

But then it goes back to my initial question, why did my shep still get the end scene with the stargazers, and get elevated to legendary status if the Reapers were not defeated.

[sorentoft]

MassiveEffects wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

I would too appreciate if the supporters of this theory calls it a theory instead of proclaiming it a fact. I just do not think hostility is the right way to make your point come across.

You do realize that you're asking for civil, rational discussion on the internet, of all places, right?

Hey I know the odds are against me. But is that not what ME is all about?