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[Smiley556]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

 

assuming shepard was indoctrinated and the endings are not final

if we assume bioware actually planned from the beginning  to shock us with the endings we have and then to bring forward a patch or dlc with the real ending that takes place after the assumed indoctrination sequence....that just sounds to risky a stunt businesswise to pull off. 

i mean look at the situation, the majority of the vocal community (and i'm ONLY referring to those players who actually bother to give feedback, not to everyone who bought the game) is not amused.

i don't think any company would take such a risk by pulling a stunt like that just to have the last laugh. 

don't get me wrong, i would actually applaude it and it would indeed be an epic conclusion to a series that has been epic until the last 5 minutes, i just think it's highly unlikely because of the risk.

FINALLY!

Someone who actually gets it!

I don't see why this is so hard for you guys to believe why BioWare would be doing this.

It is why I loved the ending!

This board is driving more and more insane over people who deal with the ending as 'absolute'!

No wonder they are disappointed.

It is NOT the final ending!! The hints are all there!!

Whether the 'actual' ending will come in form of a DLC is PURE speculation as well.

What if a DLC is released (similar to Arrival) - that ties the game to a fully fledged Mass Effect 4 with Shepard??
Would all of you still b*t*h about the 'ending"??

I'm starting to really hate using that word 'ending' - as it really wasn't the 'end'.

Check twitter and interviews - the developers have left us with a lot of clues that something is in the works.

^ Thats Exactly what I have been trying to say in threads on this forum. We should stop refering to it as ending. Nomatter how you interpret it, the scene where shepard draws breath on the perfect ending is in itself enough of evidence that we need to stop calling this an ending to the story. It is blatently obvious the story will continue, most likely in the form of DLC. Once you start accepting this isnt the end of the story, it is suddenly allot easier to interpret the events. 

[Tiax Rules All]

to those who are talking about the devs saying ME3 is supposed to end the series.
If you read between the lines, which you have to do whenever a dev tells you something. (ex day one dlc developed alongside game) you cant prove them wrong, doesnt mean thats the whole truth though

If the release a expantion or dlc that end ME3 then the satement "ME3 wraps it up" is true, dlc for ME3 is still ME3

[Lugaidster]

El_Draque wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

 

assuming shepard was indoctrinated and the endings are not final

if we assume bioware actually planned from the beginning  to shock us with the endings we have and then to bring forward a patch or dlc with the real ending that takes place after the assumed indoctrination sequence....that just sounds to risky a stunt businesswise to pull off. 

i mean look at the situation, the majority of the vocal community (and i'm ONLY referring to those players who actually bother to give feedback, not to everyone who bought the game) is not amused.

i don't think any company would take such a risk by pulling a stunt like that just to have the last laugh. 

don't get me wrong, i would actually applaude it and it would indeed be an epic conclusion to a series that has been epic until the last 5 minutes, i just think it's highly unlikely because of the risk.

FINALLY!

Someone who actually gets it!

I don't see why this is so hard for you guys to believe why BioWare would be doing this.

This board is driving more and more insane over people who deal with the ending as 'absolute'!

No wonder they are disappointed.

It is NOT the final ending!! The hints are all there!!

Whether the 'actual' ending will come in form of a DLC is PURE speculation as well.

What if a DLC is released (similar to Arrival) - that ties the game to a fully fledged Mass Effect 4 with Shepard??
Would all of you still b*t*h about the 'ending"??

I'm starting to really hate using that word 'ending' - as it really wasn't the 'end'.

Check twitter and interviews - the developers have left us with a lot of clues that something is in the works.

they should tell us then. they told us over and over that ME3 would "wrap up the series" and "end shepards story" dragging this out is stupid. i paid 80 dollars i want the full story to the end like they said

To be honest, if they announced a ME4 I'd pissed off. I expected closure after this game, not a cliffhanger. If they release a DLC in a few months, I'd be pissed off as well. But in no circumstance would I be as pissed off as I was when I first finished the game. I don't mind if Shepard's story finishes or not, but you don't become attached to a character for 4 years just to see him fade to black. The company promised closure... I'm still waiting.

[MassiveEffects]

Gromphadelic wrote...

so, i didn't read through the whole 13 pages, but since this is basically about the indoctrination theory just let me give you my thoughts on it and why i think it's rather unlikely, not taking into consideration the major plotholes you just can't overlook.

aussuming shepard was indoctrinated and the endings are final

this either means:

1. if shepard died in the endsequence (blue or green) and is actually dying while we watch his last, indoctrinated thoughts,  the ending would be even more devastating than it is already, because we actually achieved nothing. everything was in vain, shepard lost, the reapers won all the way, period. no victory at all, not even the one where the galaxy is left in ruins but with the reaperthread gone.

or

2. if shepard survived (red) and everything that happened after charging towards the beam was a hallucination...if he wakes up in the rubble and the fight isn't actually over yet, we don't have an ending at all. it would mean that the game is over but the story hasn't been told to the end. the game would just break up in the middle of the story.
it would be like ending the lord of the rings with theoden's speech just before the battle of gondor. not very satisfying either.

[...]

The thing is, though, I still find this vastly preferable to space magic and weird, supernatural, holographic kids.

[Smiley556]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

to those who are talking about the devs saying ME3 is supposed to end the series.
If you read between the lines, which you have to do whenever a dev tells you something. (ex day one dlc developed alongside game) you cant prove them wrong, doesnt mean thats the whole truth though

If the release a expantion or dlc that end ME3 then the satement "ME3 wraps it up" is true, dlc for ME3 is still ME3

Indeed, they anounced ME3 will wrap up the story. That chance isnt gone yet. They never said that story wont be partly presented in DLC. As Tiax put it perfectly 'dlc for ME3 is still ME3'.

They anounced the ending of ME3 would present closure. So far we have no closure. However, released DLC to ME3 about the ending would make their statement 100% accurate (ME3 brings closure, with DLC included). This is another piece of evidence that a DLC is still to come.

Modifié par Smiley556, 13 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


What is amazing here is that you don't see that your entire OP is name calling.  "You guys don;'t understand the ending.  Allow me with my superior intelligence to explain it to you."

Many people dont understand the ending, and we are helping people to understand. Yup, thats exactly what we are doing and theres tons of people that have thanked us for it. If you have a problem with that, well, go be grumpy about the ending but dont take it out on the OP. This thread is about explaining the ending, not about you being butthurt about the fact that someone is implying you might be wrong about something.

The OP made the absolute statement that everyone who doesn't like the endings doesn't understand them.  He then accused me of name calling.  My response was measured and resonable.  Congradulations for bringing the term "butthurt" into the discussion.  

Its not about liking or disliking, its about understanding what really happens. Allot of people seem to think the last events in the game are really what happens, and dont understand its an indoctrination attempt and plays in shepards head. This is what is explained. Wether or not you still like the ending is not really the point. 

You are free to debate the subject, but dont resort to namecalling just because you dislike the implication the OP makes in his post. If you have any arguments to bring to the table regarding the discussion point of this topic, feel free to present them. This discussion, however, is not about what potentially negative names you can think of to call the people you are debating with.

Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

[malkuth74]

That was a long ass response.

But basically you just said the same thing everyone else thinks.  The ending is not real.

And I only did it in a few sentences.

[OriginalTibs]

Hi. I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite 'Endings' hypothesis.

[Zero Hakaru]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

They already did though, somewhat.

Lair of the Shadow Broker and The Arrival. Without playing those, you do miss some information that ME3 doesn't seem to cover too well besides an offhand comment and brief Codex summary.

[Smiley556]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

There could be multiple reasons. For one, ME as a whole is a very long and epic story, that shouldnt be spoiled for some players. The game isnt released globally yet, just cos we had a chance to play it doesnt mean everybody has. US release date was 6th of march. The last release date is in Japan, 15th of March. Maybe they are saving releasing the ending untill everybody has had a chance to buy/play the game.

Also, its says on the box and system requirements that the game requires internet access. It is fair to assume players have acces to internet, and for the few players that dont, this game is not for them. Bioware/EA can chose not to cater to these select few players, its a choice to make in the new age of DLC.

[Rawgrim]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


What is amazing here is that you don't see that your entire OP is name calling.  "You guys don;'t understand the ending.  Allow me with my superior intelligence to explain it to you."

Many people dont understand the ending, and we are helping people to understand. Yup, thats exactly what we are doing and theres tons of people that have thanked us for it. If you have a problem with that, well, go be grumpy about the ending but dont take it out on the OP. This thread is about explaining the ending, not about you being butthurt about the fact that someone is implying you might be wrong about something.

The OP made the absolute statement that everyone who doesn't like the endings doesn't understand them.  He then accused me of name calling.  My response was measured and resonable.  Congradulations for bringing the term "butthurt" into the discussion.  

Its not about liking or disliking, its about understanding what really happens. Allot of people seem to think the last events in the game are really what happens, and dont understand its an indoctrination attempt and plays in shepards head. This is what is explained. Wether or not you still like the ending is not really the point. 

You are free to debate the subject, but dont resort to namecalling just because you dislike the implication the OP makes in his post. If you have any arguments to bring to the table regarding the discussion point of this topic, feel free to present them. This discussion, however, is not about what potentially negative names you can think of to call the people you are debating with.

Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

You mean like Kotor? where we were promised a trilogy + a full story, and yet they made an mmo that is set 200 years after the games. People without internet won`t get to experience that either. You can use this argument on all DLC issues as well, I guess.

[Goneaviking]

Smiley556 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

to those who are talking about the devs saying ME3 is supposed to end the series.
If you read between the lines, which you have to do whenever a dev tells you something. (ex day one dlc developed alongside game) you cant prove them wrong, doesnt mean thats the whole truth though

If the release a expantion or dlc that end ME3 then the satement "ME3 wraps it up" is true, dlc for ME3 is still ME3

Indeed, they anounced ME3 will wrap up the story. That chance isnt gone yet. They never said that story wont be partly presented in DLC. As Tiax put it perfectly 'dlc for ME3 is still ME3'.

They anounced the ending of ME3 would present closure. So far we have no closure. However, released DLC to ME3 about the ending would make their statement 100% accurate (ME3 brings closure, with DLC included). This is another piece of evidence that a DLC is still to come.

Not everyone buys DLC. In fact most of my friends would never agree to purchase them.

If we are required to purchase DLCs to get an actual resolution for the series we've been following (arguing about, obsessing over, etc.) for years then those people have been poorly treated.

[Tiax Rules All]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

That is what you say, and I dont even blame you one bit for wanting this to fail or wanting them to get crucified over it.

but It going to happen, and this day one prothy dlc's huge monetray success will only be shadowed by the end game dlc sales.

As soon as you stop believing that EA will try to get every last dime out of you before they finally hang up Shepards armor, you are then only fooling yourself.

[MassiveEffects]

Goneaviking wrote...

Not everyone buys DLC. In fact most of my friends would never agree to purchase them.

If we are required to purchase DLCs to get an actual resolution for the series we've been following (arguing about, obsessing over, etc.) for years then those people have been poorly treated.

Yeah, no kidding, but Bioware is hardly above doing ethically questionable things to their consumers. Case in point: From Ashes.

[Smiley556]

Goneaviking wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

to those who are talking about the devs saying ME3 is supposed to end the series.
If you read between the lines, which you have to do whenever a dev tells you something. (ex day one dlc developed alongside game) you cant prove them wrong, doesnt mean thats the whole truth though

If the release a expantion or dlc that end ME3 then the satement "ME3 wraps it up" is true, dlc for ME3 is still ME3

Indeed, they anounced ME3 will wrap up the story. That chance isnt gone yet. They never said that story wont be partly presented in DLC. As Tiax put it perfectly 'dlc for ME3 is still ME3'.

They anounced the ending of ME3 would present closure. So far we have no closure. However, released DLC to ME3 about the ending would make their statement 100% accurate (ME3 brings closure, with DLC included). This is another piece of evidence that a DLC is still to come.

Not everyone buys DLC. In fact most of my friends would never agree to purchase them.

If we are required to purchase DLCs to get an actual resolution for the series we've been following (arguing about, obsessing over, etc.) for years then those people have been poorly treated.

I agree on the ethics, but I admit, if they ask money for an ending DLC I will pay it, wether I agree with it or not. And so will many others. And Bioware/EA knows this.

[jimmyw404]

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

[babachewie]

While i agree with you that the ending was amazing, I don't agree with your theory. I think everything that happened actually happened. I mean if you're right than cool. I think all this mass hysteria is perpetuated by morons who can't deal in their little baby brains whats happened and have to react like children. Whhaaa no blue babies! What happened to the crew whaaa!! these people are pathetic.

[Tiax Rules All]

MassiveEffects wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Not everyone buys DLC. In fact most of my friends would never agree to purchase them.

If we are required to purchase DLCs to get an actual resolution for the series we've been following (arguing about, obsessing over, etc.) for years then those people have been poorly treated.

Yeah, no kidding, but Bioware is hardly above doing ethically questionable things to their consumers. Case in point: From Ashes.

exactly, not debating that it could be seen as dirty sales tactics and even borderline price gouging.

but if there is no mass effect 4 do the really ned to retain mass effect fans? no they just need to keep tapping till the well runs dry.

[streamlock]

I either totally get it-(it is all a giant mind frak)

Or I get it just about as much as when those morons in the Lib. Arts dept. would put on those LSD inspired stage shows.

[Tiax Rules All]

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

[Raiil]

The idea that BioWare and more importantly, EA, would use ME as the test monkey for 'buy the REAL ending dlc' is a little absurd.


I don't think the indoctrination theory is correct. I don't discount the possibility, nor do I think people who crafted and believed it to be stupid or anything, but all that we have to go on are hints and user theory from a game series that currently has enough plot holing to drive a planet through. This is, IMO.

[malkuth74]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

But you are making things up. Because what happened in game is what they wanted.  Because that is what we got, and still got.

There is no sugar coating with that.

What everyone in this forum with these ideas are doing is the same idea as what conspiracy theorist do... Look it up.

[Smiley556]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

I have yet to actually get a question about this explenation we cant answer with ingame evidence. That is ofcourse actual relevant statements, not "your in denial" or "I dont believe it".

[Tiax Rules All]

Valentia X wrote...

The idea that BioWare and more importantly, EA, would use ME as the test monkey for 'buy the REAL ending dlc' is a little absurd.


I don't think the indoctrination theory is correct. I don't discount the possibility, nor do I think people who crafted and believed it to be stupid or anything, but all that we have to go on are hints and user theory from a game series that currently has enough plot holing to drive a planet through. This is, IMO.

its not absurd at all, its the end of a series and they are cashing in, there is no ME4 to retain customers for. Everybody knows this is the end and we will buy it all up to make sure we have a complete 3rd game and end of the series.

Plus the only plot holes i see in the game are during the "hallucination / indoctrination" part. and that doesnt make sense because its a persons subconscience.  You do some pretty damn wierd things in your dreams too that you think is normal... until you wake up and realise how absurd it really was.

Im just trying to help others "wake up" like shepard

[Smiley556]

malkuth74 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

But you are making things up. Because what happened in game is what they wanted.  Because that is what we got, and still got.

There is no sugar coating with that.

What everyone in this forum with these ideas are doing is the same idea as what conspiracy theorist do... Look it up.

Look at the other side of it. People who disbelieve this explenation complain the ending is bad because of a ton of plotholes and inconsistencies. This explenation solves every plothole and inconsistency only by pointing out ingame events and information. We are not making anything up. If anything, others are making stuff up by saying the space magic actually happens.