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[detroitmechworks]

Well, it's not like SF has never pulled this crap before...

http://video.adultsw...nt-of-view.html

[Lugaidster]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

Because, clearly, they aren't getting crucified right now ¬¬...

[iamsnakemaster]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.

I've waited 5 years for this epic story to end. It doesn't matter how you explain it, the fact is we shouldn't be waiting another 6-12 months to get the "real" ending. That we would probably have to pay for.

[Tiax Rules All]

malkuth74 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

But you are making things up. Because what happened in game is what they wanted.  Because that is what we got, and still got.

There is no sugar coating with that.

What everyone in this forum with these ideas are doing is the same idea as what conspiracy theorist do... Look it up.

ummm, yeah what we got in game is what we got as you say (whatever that means) doesnt mean that what we got wasnt exactly what i explained in the OP ..

. so your saying that it is not possible for writers to write and ending where they use playable indoctrination as plot? your saying they simply cannot write an ending that has only one true good outcome and they make you actually work and think for it. Who says they cant?

normandy crashed on happy planet, yes that happened in game. Its just it took place in sheps head and not in the actual game universe... its sheps last imaginings.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

There could be multiple reasons. For one, ME as a whole is a very long and epic story, that shouldnt be spoiled for some players. The game isnt released globally yet, just cos we had a chance to play it doesnt mean everybody has. US release date was 6th of march. The last release date is in Japan, 15th of March. Maybe they are saving releasing the ending untill everybody has had a chance to buy/play the game.

Also, its says on the box and system requirements that the game requires internet access. It is fair to assume players have acces to internet, and for the few players that dont, this game is not for them. Bioware/EA can chose not to cater to these select few players, its a choice to make in the new age of DLC.

They lied about cutting the Prothean squdmate from the game, but there is no chance they cut the ending in order to put it in a DLC.  It would be the end of Bioware.  They would not have single ally left in the media after it came out.  

[Smiley556]

iamsnakemaster wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.

I've waited 5 years for this epic story to end. It doesn't matter how you explain it, the fact is we shouldn't be waiting another 6-12 months to get the "real" ending. That we would probably have to pay for.

The game has been out for a couple of days, where do you get the assumption you are going to have to wait 6-12 months? Atleast wait for the japan release. If Bioware is planning anything like this they are obviously not going to reveal about it Before the final release date.

[Tiax Rules All]

iamsnakemaster wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.

I've waited 5 years for this epic story to end. It doesn't matter how you explain it, the fact is we shouldn't be waiting another 6-12 months to get the "real" ending. That we would probably have to pay for.

has very little to do with my OP's purpose.
but ill say this. Thats your opinion. others might like the series never to end and they should keep making shepard itterations. are your demands to see an ending more important then anothers demands to have a sequel?

also just because Bioware said something along the lines of ME3 is the end. doesnt mean they cant just say the hell with it and come out with ME4, there is no rule to hold them bye.

[malkuth74]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

malkuth74 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

But you are making things up. Because what happened in game is what they wanted.  Because that is what we got, and still got.

There is no sugar coating with that.

What everyone in this forum with these ideas are doing is the same idea as what conspiracy theorist do... Look it up.

ummm, yeah what we got in game is what we got as you say (whatever that means) doesnt mean that what we got wasnt exactly what i explained in the OP ..

. so your saying that it is not possible for writers to write and ending where they use playable indoctrination as plot? your saying they simply cannot write an ending that has only one true good outcome and they make you actually work and think for it. Who says they cant?

normandy crashed on happy planet, yes that happened in game. Its just it took place in sheps head and not in the actual game universe... its sheps last imaginings.

No, people using there imagination is coming up with conclusions of what really happened.  

What happened in game is what we saw.. Nothing about indocturnation, or dreams or anything.  All those speculations is what people HOPE happened.

What we got in game is what we got.. Its not hard to understand... Meaning what you watched on your computer moniter.. What BIOWARE shiped in the DVD disk is the ending.  There is no other ending at this time.  There is no, you wait for japan to get there copies they will release the real ending... NO!

What you played, and what you and me are both upset about.. That crappy ass ending is the REAL ENDING.

End of story.

[Mio]

If this is really the case and EA/Bioware really are going to release the "real" ending as DLC (free/or paid) the I can assure you that I won't get it.

I don't really care what kind of clever trick they were trying to play on us, this could set probably the worst precedent for releasing a game unfinished in the history of console DLC. I am not going to give the industry any more reason to think that they can release a game with bad or missing content and think that they can just patch it up with some DLC released an X number of months or years, and I was stupid enough to buy From the Ashes. No more.

[Lugaidster]

iamsnakemaster wrote...

I've waited 5 years for this epic story to end. It doesn't matter how you explain it, the fact is we shouldn't be waiting another 6-12 months to get the "real" ending. That we would probably have to pay for.

Agreed, but we're stuck in this impasse right now. Got a better idea than ****ing/complaining?

[rvgifford]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

I disagree here. Many people had that choice, heck many people even chose that choice, and still think the endings are crap.

Tiax Rules All wrote...
I hope to make a complete and easy explanation of the ending, comment if you think I need to adjust or add to it.
This post does not apply to those who just don't like it because of its lack of detailed epilogue.

That's definitely not the only flaw with the ending(s).

Tiax Rules All wrote...
First of all there is one ending that is the real ending and all other endings are tricks and illusions. In fact the only REAL ending in the whole game is if you pick the destroy option with over 4000 assets. The real ending is only that 20 seconds they show of Shepard in the rubble and then takes a breath.

There are plenty of people who agree with you. Go here: http://social.biowar...index/9804665/1 

Tiax Rules All wrote... Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.

I agree with you here 100%, though I still hate it. Why? Because until Bioware says this is the case it's a crap ending . . . because it's not an ending, just a segue into the real ending. It's an amaziningly well orchestrated mind game that does a fantastic job of allowing us to experience indoctrination IF and only IF that was the intent. Some of the tweets sounds like what we got is the ending, period, and only a-holes want to change the ending of art or a book like the Great Gatsby. Admittedly, there was one tweet about how if we only knew what they had in store we'd keep all the games forever. A stall? Perhaps. A hint that what you suggest is in fact possible? Perhaps. But the silence and unwillingness to address thousands of irate customers is a bad call. Trickery in a contiguous whole is a great way to tell a story. Trickery as an ending only to be forced to pay more for the REAL ending is plain bad form. They could have done the same thing as part of the current whole, fade to black and make it look like the ending, then haha! just kidding . . . here is the end.

You speak as if you know with certainty it is as you say, that this was the plan of Bioware the whole time. After DA2 I'm not so sure. Perhaps it was, and I sincerely hope so. But DA2 was crap so I no longer assume Bioware will definitely get this right. Their DLC model alone is proof enough they are much more motivated by money than they used to be, to the detriment of a good story. And if it is as you say, then once again that model is proven true. More money, more money, more money.

Here's to hoping, as I have in other threads, that your idea is the correct one. I very much want a satisfying conclusion to the ME trilogy.

Modifié par rvgifford, 13 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Smiley556]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...


Let's meta game this.  In order for the ending to be an indoctrination attempt, Bioware must be planning on releasing a whole new ending later, or NEVER ENDING THE GAME.   Anyone with an xbox or ps3 who is not connected to the internet will NEVER SEE the actual ending if this was true.  

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Bioware did this.  They would be crucified for it.

There could be multiple reasons. For one, ME as a whole is a very long and epic story, that shouldnt be spoiled for some players. The game isnt released globally yet, just cos we had a chance to play it doesnt mean everybody has. US release date was 6th of march. The last release date is in Japan, 15th of March. Maybe they are saving releasing the ending untill everybody has had a chance to buy/play the game.

Also, its says on the box and system requirements that the game requires internet access. It is fair to assume players have acces to internet, and for the few players that dont, this game is not for them. Bioware/EA can chose not to cater to these select few players, its a choice to make in the new age of DLC.

They lied about cutting the Prothean squdmate from the game, but there is no chance they cut the ending in order to put it in a DLC.  It would be the end of Bioware.  They would not have single ally left in the media after it came out.  

Either the DLC is free, and it is only saved untill after global release is done so that the end isnt spoiled. Or, as Tiax pointed out, they arent planning ME4, they can now proceed to milk cash out of the players via DLC. Disagree with the ethics all you want, you and I and Bioware all know most players would pay for it. Would you hate them for it? Allot of people probably will. Would they get rich of it? You bet.

[detroitmechworks]

Mio wrote...

I don't really care what kind of clever trick they were trying to play on us, this could set probably the worst precedent for releasing a game unfinished in the history of console DLC. I am not going to give the industry any more reason to think that they can release a game with bad or missing content and think that they can just patch it up with some DLC released an X number of months or years, and I was stupid enough to buy From the Ashes. No more.

This.  Honestly, they start doing this and NOBODY will buy games until weeks or months later.

Because if the game isn't finished... well, why the frack should we be paying to be Beta testers?

[Tiax Rules All]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

They lied about cutting the Prothean squdmate from the game, but there is no chance they cut the ending in order to put it in a DLC.  It would be the end of Bioware.  They would not have single ally left in the media after it came out.  

They will get around this by saying the ending that is in ME3 now is a fully functional ending point and you dont need to continue, though the dlc will explain and conclude more. They will call it a bonus instead of the"real" ending

they have done all this before, marketing will spin it, bioware fans will eat it up and brutally defend Biowares stance on "bonus" ending dlc.

THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. It only gets worse and more pervasive from here.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 13 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Smiley556]

Mio wrote...

If this is really the case and EA/Bioware really are going to release the "real" ending as DLC (free/or paid) the I can assure you that I won't get it.

I don't really care what kind of clever trick they were trying to play on us, this could set probably the worst precedent for releasing a game unfinished in the history of console DLC. I am not going to give the industry any more reason to think that they can release a game with bad or missing content and think that they can just patch it up with some DLC released an X number of months or years, and I was stupid enough to buy From the Ashes. No more.

Your loss. Ill get it, and knowing Biowares epic games so far, I will probably enjoy it. And I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one.

[Ultra Prism]

I took account of this, managed to start 2nd playthrough, because it didn't make any sense, Bioware made amazing cutscenes and content in entire game ... then make it weird in end...something was fishy indeed.

[Lugaidster]

malkuth74 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

malkuth74 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

jimmyw404 wrote...

lol @ saying people didn't get the ending and then explaining it by making a bunch of assumptions.

not assumtions, maybe a little conecting the dots. Its all backed by literary allusions, hints in game, suble and obvious. I never commented on anything without making sure it could be explained in game. Got a question, try me.. see if I can explain it sufficiently. I wont make stuff up. promise.

But you are making things up. Because what happened in game is what they wanted.  Because that is what we got, and still got.

There is no sugar coating with that.

What everyone in this forum with these ideas are doing is the same idea as what conspiracy theorist do... Look it up.

ummm, yeah what we got in game is what we got as you say (whatever that means) doesnt mean that what we got wasnt exactly what i explained in the OP ..

. so your saying that it is not possible for writers to write and ending where they use playable indoctrination as plot? your saying they simply cannot write an ending that has only one true good outcome and they make you actually work and think for it. Who says they cant?

normandy crashed on happy planet, yes that happened in game. Its just it took place in sheps head and not in the actual game universe... its sheps last imaginings.

No, people using there imagination is coming up with conclusions of what really happened.  

What happened in game is what we saw.. Nothing about indocturnation, or dreams or anything.  All those speculations is what people HOPE happened.

What we got in game is what we got.. Its not hard to understand... Meaning what you watched on your computer moniter.. What BIOWARE shiped in the DVD disk is the ending.  There is no other ending at this time.  There is no, you wait for japan to get there copies they will release the real ending... NO!

What you played, and what you and me are both upset about.. That crappy ass ending is the REAL ENDING.

End of story.

Go watch Shutter Island up until the last 10 minutes. I'm pretty sure that if you stop there, you conclusions of what happened would be completely different than the conclusions of someone who actually finished it. If we're wrong, we're wrong, but there's no denying that the pieces fit the puzzle. 

As I've said time and again, I'd rather believe that the company that delivered this amazing trilogy (except for the last 10 minutes of it) is risky and ballsy than stupid.

[BoneNinja]

logan23tom78 wrote...

So the old man was telling the small kid a story that will make someone depressed and confused? And your saying that Bioware just did no ending then.... That's what you are saying , there is no ending? What?!

That small kid at the end of the game stargazers is bring told a story that will equal therapy.
I get what you are saying but the logic of why bioware would do this to their IP?

And if you are right that they plan to have dlc to continue after the breath on purpose - then they shipped a game with no ending- a dlc ending on purpose?! What!

On a slightly more humerous note, I can't help but wonder how the heck that old geezer knew about all my intimate details with my love interest...and WHY would you tell them to a child?!? Just sayin'

[Lugaidster]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

They lied about cutting the Prothean squdmate from the game, but there is no chance they cut the ending in order to put it in a DLC.  It would be the end of Bioware.  They would not have single ally left in the media after it came out.  

They will get around this by saying the ending that is in ME3 now is a fully functional ending point and you dont need to continue, though the dlc will explain and conclude more. They will call it a bonus instead of the"real" ending

they have done all this before, marketing will spin it, bioware fans will eat it up and brutally defend Biowares stance on "bonus" ending dlc.

THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. It only gets worse and more pervasive from here.

I'm going to say, though, that if they charge, I'm going to youtube it. I'm not paying for an ending DLC. I applaud this ploy if they use it to enhance the experience, not to charge more money. If it's for the former, reputation and epicness should be their reward.

I'm already quite pissed off by the whole space edition thingy. If anything it should be the fans that pre-ordered the game a year ago, collector's edition mind you, the ones that receive the game a week early. Not some lucky dude that decided to wait for the last minute to buy it only to get it free.

Modifié par Lugaidster, 13 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Smiley556 wrote...

Mio wrote...

If this is really the case and EA/Bioware really are going to release the "real" ending as DLC (free/or paid) the I can assure you that I won't get it.

I don't really care what kind of clever trick they were trying to play on us, this could set probably the worst precedent for releasing a game unfinished in the history of console DLC. I am not going to give the industry any more reason to think that they can release a game with bad or missing content and think that they can just patch it up with some DLC released an X number of months or years, and I was stupid enough to buy From the Ashes. No more.

Your loss. Ill get it, and knowing Biowares epic games so far, I will probably enjoy it. And I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one.

fact of the matter is people are buying DLC lately in unpressidented amounts. As far as the almighty dollar is concerned. DLC is pure gold, and despite any kind of initial shock and outrage, spreading the issue actully works more towards getting people aware of it and buying more then its getting them to boycott it.

Outrage over day one dlc = gamers thinking they need it to be complete
isteaad of the intended, do not but it cause its dirty.

Free marketing. I mean this thread is kinda marketing end game dlc right now...

[Lugaidster]

BoneNinja wrote...

logan23tom78 wrote...

So the old man was telling the small kid a story that will make someone depressed and confused? And your saying that Bioware just did no ending then.... That's what you are saying , there is no ending? What?!

That small kid at the end of the game stargazers is bring told a story that will equal therapy.
I get what you are saying but the logic of why bioware would do this to their IP?

And if you are right that they plan to have dlc to continue after the breath on purpose - then they shipped a game with no ending- a dlc ending on purpose?! What!

On a slightly more humerous note, I can't help but wonder how the heck that old geezer knew about all my intimate details with my love interest...and WHY would you tell them to a child?!? Just sayin'

Jumpin' on the train here... I find it quite amusing that the old geezer knows who you had sex with, but doesn't know how you beat the reapers, or the state of the galaxy afterwards.

[Sesshaku]

I won't lose my time with fansy speculations in the tiny details twisted by my hope and imagination.

I will just say that i can't believe a game like ME3 ended like that, im pretty sure all of us liked all the game until that 5 last minutes, how could the failed so badly in the LAST five minutes?

We all knew that ME1 lovecraftian theme would end bad, because you can't bring a logical closure to a reapers that it's indesctructible, far more advanced and that already wiped out civilizations. But at least they could do it far better than that.

So i will just hope they will change the ending, FOR FREE. Because when i buyed the game, i buyed THE ENDING of the story. A priced DLC with the real ending it's just not right and even deserves to be lawyered.

[MedhiaNox]

What I will say - is this.

I completed everything in the game - I did not achieve "perfect" status with the scene of Shepard breathing at the end.

If this means that my Shepard was indoctrinated or killed - and I have to play the game again so I can pay money to play the "Real Ending" - there is little to no chance that will happen.

[Lugaidster]

Sesshaku wrote...

I will just say that i can't believe a game like ME3 ended like that, im pretty sure all of us liked all the game until that 5 last minutes, how could the failed so badly in the LAST five minutes?

We all knew that ME1 lovecraftian theme would end bad, because you can't bring a logical closure to a reapers that it's indesctructible, far more advanced and that already wiped out civilizations. But at least they could do it far better than that.

So i will just hope they will change the ending, FOR FREE. Because when i buyed the game, i buyed THE ENDING of the story. A priced DLC with the real ending it's just not right and even deserves to be lawyered.

Cool, and I mostly agree.

Sesshaku wrote... 
I won't lose my time with fansy speculations in the tiny details twisted by my hope and imagination.  

 

What the hell are you doing here then? Obvious troll is obvious.