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[lasertank]

just another hallucination theory. nothing creative.

[Smiley556]

Many people say, even if the indoctrination theory is right, its still a bad ending. Also some people just refuse to believe the theory because of just that.

What people need to realise is that the theory implies that it is not the end. If you consider the hallucination you must also consider that the end is still to come in the form of a patch or DLC. The reason the end doesnt give closure is because you havent SEEN the end yet, nobody has, and what people keep refering to as the end just isnt. Patience is a virtue and it is seriously lacking in the BSN community it seems.

Modifié par Smiley556, 13 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Tiax Rules All]

R3MUS wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Your avatar makes me dislike you even more than i already do for pretending to be so high-minded and edumacatin all us ig'nant BSN fokes here.

What have I done to you? I never said or tried to imply im better then you. I know someone will find this useful.

Its the way you present your argument.

It would be nice if you stopped spamming threads with "SPACE MAGIC" in different colors, too.

Im lost, whos spamming what now? I think you have the wrong guy. If you don't like my thread cool, but dont make stuff up. Also, not really sure how I could have "presented my arguement" differently. Sorry. This thread was supposed to non rage inducing

[Aduro]

There is already a large Indoctrination/Hallucination thread (multiple, actually). It's a popular theory. But even if this is true, it is still far away from what the fans expected, were promised or deserved.

First, even if the Indoctrination/Hallucination theory is correct, it is far too ambiguous on its own. The fact that it took a time and the collective work of many fans to make it fit in properly suggests that, if it is the truth, it was not presented well enough to be entirely convincing - save for those clutching at straws. This is poor story-telling.

We were expecting, and promised by Casey Hudson (I believe), that our choices would matter in the end and that there would be no loose ends with Shepard. The exact opposite happened. If it is a hallucination/indoctrination, then we haven't seen the end yet. Having the 'true' end being a question as to whether Shepard is alive just adds to this. We want, no NEED closure. Not just with Shepard but with the other people and races. They are not shown, they are not mentioned. If the theory is true, we're provided with a fake ending that leaves far more questions than answers.

It was stated that the ending would differ by our choices - that the main theme of Mass Effect, our choices and their consequences, would bear fruit into and past the end. Again, this was ignored. I believe it was stated that there would be endings for each decision, and that it wouldn't be reduced to a choice between 'A, B and C'. Yet that is what happens at the end, hallucination or not.

It's not that we didn't get a happy ending, it's not that we didn't 'get it'. It's that it went against the very idea of Mass Effect - that our choices matter and have consequences -, that we didn't get closure (whether the hallucination theory is right or not) and that we were lied to about what to expect.

That is why I hate the ending...

Edit: For the record, I support the Indoctrination theory and would love for them to have DLC that goes past it. But it should have been included in the release if it is true, and it must STILL satisfy the other requirements to be a satisfying end.

Modifié par Aduro, 13 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[bennyjammin79]

I like the OP.

[Teddie Sage]

Esquin wrote...

No. You're wrong.

I get it. I just wanted some kind of closure. You're ignoring the issue. We just wanted to know what happened to our galaxy after we made our decision. Thats all.

This.

[Soilworker77]

Well spoken Tiax Rules All!

I do also try to educate those who believe BW dropped the ball. Such an awesome company which make even more awesome games, could not have made such an ending without putting a lot of thought in it.

At first when I had completed the game, I was all sad and depressed, then I began thinking, because something was not right about the choices.
So I came up with a few theories and then I went here and saw I was not alone...
And here I am, happy and not mad at BW at all for anything, in my opinion they have really tricked us all, but in a good way.
When they come forward of it (if they ever do), I am gonna have such a big smile on my face that people are gonna ask me what the heck is wrong with me.

Modifié par Soilworker77, 13 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[prsquared]

Even I chose destroy. Not because I wanted to see Shep alive. Because it's apparently what Anderson would have done(The 2 second vision). And I definitely didn't want to do anything that TIM would do.

[Red Templar]

Esquin wrote...

No. You're wrong.

I get it. I just wanted some kind of closure. You're ignoring the issue. We just wanted to know what happened to our galaxy after we made our decision. Thats all.

This. We payed for a product, we received an ending that was not what was promised us or what the game was marketed as. Hallucination speculation doesn't provide what wasn't factually delivered in the game.

[CRISIS1717]

ITT wishful thinking.

Just accept the ending was inadequate.

[Smiley556]

Also, Tiax, I posted a similer thread yesterday. I understood the ending for what it is from the first go. It was only after I heard about people raging at the bad ending I was totally confused as wonder how they played the ending already when it wasnt out yet. I came to these forums and saw the immense rage. I tried to explain how I saw the ending but most people just responded with calling me smug cos implying others didnt understand the ending was implying I somehow felt better than them. Its really frustrating, but you are right, and you are not alone. Many people experienced the game the same way we did, we just dont hear them raging as we are patiently waiting for the end to be released.

[Necroscope]

Okay, all this was just indoctrination process, but where is the ENDING then!?
What happened to the Reapers?
What happened to the galaxy?
What happened to your friends?
What happened to TIM and Cerberus?
What happened etc.

Details lost in time!? Are you fu**in kidding me?

[Bassyblue]

Smiley556 wrote...

Many people say, even if the indoctrination theory is right, its still a bad ending. Also some people just refuse to believe the theory because of just that.

What people need to realise is that the theory implies that it is not the end. If you consider the hallucination you must also consider that the end is still to come in the form of a patch or DLC. The reason the end doesnt give closure is because you havent SEEN the end yet, nobody has, and what people keep refering to as the end just isnt. Patience is a virtue and it is seriously lacking in the BSN community it seems.

So people are supposed to wait a week to see the ending of a game they "finished"? See that's just bad business practice and implying that people lack patience for not waiting for something that should be right in front of them (mind you with no actual evidence that there is any other ending in the works) is downright stupid.

[NomadDC]

Well, Tiax, you may be right or not. We have what we got. All you wrote may make sense, but it has no real proof. I'd say 50% that it's true and 50% that it's not.
And we got a bunch of crappy endings now. All we want is explanation from BW and REAL endings, that do make sense. We want them to keep their promise, and give us answers, satisfying ending for most (not least as it is now!!!) fans.

[Tiax Rules All]

Smiley556 wrote...

Many people say, even if the indoctrination theory is right, its still a bad ending. Also some people just refuse to believe the theory because of just that.

What people need to realise is that the theory implies that it is not the end. If you consider the hallucination you must also consider that the end is still to come in the form of a patch or DLC. The reason the end doesnt give closure is because you havent SEEN the end yet, nobody has, and what people keep refering to as the end just isnt. Patience is a vritue and it is seriously lacking in the BSN community it seems.

Well I understand this. and in the post is stated that Bioware would have to know that some people would either not understand or accept this ending. Not liking the ending because its not what you preferred to see is of course natural and your own business but not liking it because you took the ending at face value or never saw shepard alive in the rubble afterwards is what im trying to help with.

and a future "closure" DLC should really come as no surprise to anybody. In fact I have been warning of episodic content coming. Games soon will be pay per chapter and more $ will directly effect how much you can play 

[Gibb_Shepard]

This is denial at it's best.

[tersidre]

i think the OP is right... i also think that the true final chapter is going to be given in DLC that is going to be FREE for the ending but allow you to pay for some extra stuff if you want it.

if this pans out like it seems its starting too bioware would of pulled something off truly amazing

[tersidre]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

This is denial at it's best.

or its someone using their observational skills to actually make sense of what happened, in truth there really are no other explanations for what happened.

[Smiley556]

Bassyblue wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Many people say, even if the indoctrination theory is right, its still a bad ending. Also some people just refuse to believe the theory because of just that.

What people need to realise is that the theory implies that it is not the end. If you consider the hallucination you must also consider that the end is still to come in the form of a patch or DLC. The reason the end doesnt give closure is because you havent SEEN the end yet, nobody has, and what people keep refering to as the end just isnt. Patience is a virtue and it is seriously lacking in the BSN community it seems.

So people are supposed to wait a week to see the ending of a game they "finished"? See that's just bad business practice and implying that people lack patience for not waiting for something that should be right in front of them (mind you with no actual evidence that there is any other ending in the works) is downright stupid.

There is evidence actually. The pre release interviews talking about the ending, which absolutely dont discribe the current 'end' to the game should in itself be a hint. Unless you just want to say 'they lied!' which is a pretty bold assumption. Another would be Mike Gamble's reaction to the commotion with 'If you knew what we were planning you'd hold on to your copy of ME3'.

I understand the frustration, but you must also realise the game wasnt (and isnt) released globally on the same date. Infact, it still isnt released everywhere yet (Japan release date is 15th). I'd say not having a single global release date is bad business, but aparently that couldnt be avoided. This is a pretty good solution really although not a perfect one.

[Aduro]

tersidre wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

This is denial at it's best.

or its someone using their observational skills to actually make sense of what happened, in truth there really are no other explanations for what happened.

It's still possible that they ran out of time and had to rush the very end, which would be very unfortunate. T_T

[Tiax Rules All]

Necroscope wrote...

Okay, all this was just indoctrination process, but where is the ENDING then!?
What happened to the Reapers?
What happened to the galaxy?
What happened to your friends?
What happened to TIM and Cerberus?
What happened etc.

Details lost in time!? Are you fu**in kidding me?

I hear you, though its either meant to be

1: open and ambigious, I imagine a sad ending though, a heroes ending. I aslo think companions died at final rush.

2: DLC with more post ending gameplay. Love it of hate it, should not be all that surprising

[kookie28]

So . . . did Oswald shoot JFK?

[Abirn]

Op it's you who doesn't get it. We wanted answers and we didn't get them. That is the problem

[JoeLaTurkeyII]

I'll repeat my first point: this is an incomplete game if the theory is true; like a novel with the last chapter torn out and offered for more money. Mass Effect still had the final battle on the Citadel, ME2 still had the Collector Base.

It's a dreadfully unscrupulous tactic.

[WarBaby2]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

ITT wishful thinking.

Just accept the ending was inadequate.

Yea, well, that's the whole point of the uproar... people don't want to!

We just don't want to accept that the supposedly grande finale of such a indearing and influencial game series is just a poorly executed afterthought. It's not so much about what we wanted... it is what about there should have been.

EDIT: I don't support the indoctrination theorie, because BioWare just isn't that good anymore these days... it is far more likely that the ending is just horrebly executed.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 13 mars 2012 - 10:48 .