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[Lugaidster]

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
Nuf said

I'm still reluctant to take that as anything official.

[I RJay I]

I completely understand that IF this is the case... It's not 100% confirmed yet, just very likely this is the case. And if it is, we aren't told the whole story, Shepard is alive... But the Reapers weren't destroyed because it was all a hallucination. Shepard is just lying on the ground in London and the Reapers are still blowing **** up killing people. We don't know how the series ends, it's like the first game ending as Soveriegn lands, so you aren't sure if he's destroyed... Or the second game ending just after you ender the collector base. THAT is what I hate about the ending. It's not complete.

[xX N7 Xx]

You're probably right, but at the same time, we just want an ending that we dont need to question. We were told the ending would clear up all questions, instead its made 100s of them

[Samzo77]

I get the theory and why it makes sense, I just don't believe that was their intention. I agree that destroying was the best option, but don't think you were dreaming. If you were, how would you destroy them? If that entire scene was a dream, then every decision is a fail, because you aren't actually there to pull the trigger. You're dying, and the reapers are still going strong.

I also don't see how the breath in the rubble indicates he is on earth. The citadel crumbles, and it's just as likely that there is a field protecting you from space as it is that you never left London. So the rubble could be from the explosion when you shoot the machine.

[Smiley556]

Lugaidster wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
Nuf said

I'm still reluctant to take that as anything official.

But you cant deny it as a hint to support it. Ofcourse it could be coincidence he picked this thread, but its worth stating.

[rvgifford]

The more I think about it, the more "I want to help you all" sounds like more Catalyst indoctrination language. We are destroying you for your own good, now just accept the ending.

[Cosmar]

I really hope the indoctrination/hallucination theory is correct. Only, if it is, I don't think that the dream began after Shepard was hit with the Reaper laser. Remember that after he gets up and starts trudging toward the beam, he gets attacked by husks? And if they reach him and hit him, he dies - game over.
That doesn't sound like a hallucination to me.

[Lugaidster]

Smiley556 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
Nuf said

I'm still reluctant to take that as anything official.

But you cant deny it as a hint to support it. Ofcourse it could be coincidence he picked this thread, but its worth stating.

 The day I lose hope, I'll... uninstall the game from my HDD. (This origin crap won't even allow me to get rid of it)

[merc1less]

wans't there a scene with TIM where Shepard got headaches (black something at the edges of the screen)?

[Capeo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
ok one more...

shepard is not dead. but dying, and only by choosing correctly will you ever see him "wake up"

answer me this.. why would bioware show shep alive, still on earth, in rubble, if not to say "it was all in his head" I mean this honestly. Why would they award you with a live shepard on only the hardest to achieve of endings if not planned that way to show you the facts. I men alot can be taken from that small tidbit.
namely:
*shep is not dead
* shep is clearly (its not fact but come on) not on the citadel, he is in the rubble of london. compare the rubble with both scenes.. It the citadel made of grey stone bricks? I think not. Was london? umm yes. everything was grey and stone. Just go look for yourself.
Don't even try telling me that he WAS on the citadel on now he is blown back to earth or some BS. It is clear that. This is made to be an eye opening moment that flips your perception around.

Again, nope.  If that shot was supposed to mean Shep was back on earth then they could have shown an Earth skyline.  Even if you take it as Earth all that means is Shep made it back to the teleport beam or, most likely, it's just and Easter Egg with little thought put into it. 

And again, you keep ignoring the script and the order the endings are unlocked.  Destroy, Control then Synergy.  The script specifically states Synergy is the "perfect" ending.  You also ignore the epilogue which shows, without a doubt, that the Reapers were taken care of and the Relays are destroyed.  This epilogue plays no matter what ending you choose.

[sorentoft]

Smiley556 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
Nuf said

I'm still reluctant to take that as anything official.

But you cant deny it as a hint to support it. Ofcourse it could be coincidence he picked this thread, but its worth stating.

The thread is about someone who wanted help on getting the ending. Read the title of this thread. Put two and two together.

[NikitaDarkstar]

If you're right, and the more I think about it the more sense it makes it's still a low blow. Sell us the game, take us right to the end, then tell us we have to buy it? The sneaky thing to do would have been to continue the game after the credits roll, taking us back to London to get up and keep fighting, for real this time, but instead we get a screen telling us to wait for DLC's to buy, and start over at the illusive mans base?

That's like selling you a car but telling you you have to pay extra to get the 5th speed on your transmission, it's not useless as is, but it's sure as hell not what you excepted and you could probably sue the crap out of whoever did it.

[hurricaneez2]

Basically we are gonna have to buy a planned DLC to get the ending that actually takes the players choices into account. Bush league move by Bioware.

[razorblade456]

What upsets me is to get said "true" ending, you HAVE to play the multiplayer. I don't have xbox live on the profile I play ME on nor do I wish to. ME has always been about the single player game play. If they wanted to tack on multiplayer, fine, but don't force me to have to buy in to xbox live just to have the proper ending.

[Ryan546]

@ Smiley & OP. I think you are both drawing conclusions from highly ambiguous details and then try to call them facts. it is a THEORY. And when DLC comes out it will either be before the ending or a new ending. Bioware would not claim that one ending is right. Think what you will, doesn't mean it is right

[Luigitornado]

There is no real ending. They are all real. Nothing is an illusion, and Shepard was not indoctrinated. 

People are thinking too much into this.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 13 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[Tiax Rules All]

DTKT wrote...

Hahaha.

Indoctrinate the player.

You guys are insane and giving Bioware way too much credit. This is gold.

 just a sample... there is just too much to restate.

why is the kill reapers, anderson option shaded rengade red (deception this is one true good ending)

why is the control options presented by catalyst made to seem like the better options in blue?  (deception) these options both mean the reapers will live on and will not be destroyed. also you will never "awake" after choosing these. and since nobody ever KNOWS they are indoctrinated they dont come out and say it. They ley you think you have done well. It isnt untill you see that there is an option that kills reapers and lets shep live that you realise that the other endings CANNOT be true. its supposed to make you appreciate the ending more and give you real satisfaction for overcoming deception and the game actively trying to manipulate your choices.

I stand by this. Bioware played pychological games with you at the end and some people either don't get it or chose not to believe it because it doesn't fit the mold for typical endings. Which is true, but Bioware took a big risk and they are hoping future DLC sales will be bigger then ever.

Who is the bigger denier? the one who denies that BIoware is incompetant or the one that denies that Bioware is playing mid games with a tricky ending.?  

I can defend my ideas with in game allusions, hints, foreshadowing, quotes, and i can fill any reasonable plot hole created by the face value ending.

What do the opposite do? All they can say is "nah, i just dont think Bioware would do that. I think they are just stupid and fail at writing"    I mean i cant really find any real plot holes untill they are just all stacked up at the end and thats because they are on purpose. THAT is your indoctrination warning. The sudden out of place nature of everything after the destroyer beam charge. Bioware is telling you to reject it. as Shepard, reject it, its not real. break free. do whats right, do what you planned to do all along, dont comprimise dont waver. Tell the reapers to **** off and click destroy, get bast ending and wait for inevitable DLC.

[MPSai]

Even if the Indoctrination Theory (which works) is true, it's no away to conclude the trilogy. Leaving it ambiguous is so unsatisfying, especially with the fantastic, solid endings of ME1 and ME2.

[Zhijn]

The indoctrination theory is very likely true, but it dosnt change anything about the ending since there was no end. You never fought off the reapers, you never "won" or "failed" the fight. All you did was either beat indoctrination or not.

Which to me seems like that sort of story element should have been befor an actually ending to a trilogy. Having that as our ending make no sens. Was ME1 > ME2 > ME3 journey just about Shepard beating indoctrination?. Hell no it wasnt. Might have played its part but no thats noway to end this game.

[Smiley556]

razorblade456 wrote...

What upsets me is to get said "true" ending, you HAVE to play the multiplayer. I don't have xbox live on the profile I play ME on nor do I wish to. ME has always been about the single player game play. If they wanted to tack on multiplayer, fine, but don't force me to have to buy in to xbox live just to have the proper ending.

You can also achieve it through NG+, though I agree requiring NG+ or multiplayer for the perfect ending is definatly a dick move. (It wasnt a problem for me since I enjoyed the multiplayer and play on PC, but I can imagine someone cant or doesnt want to)

[KingyyyizME]

There are sooooo many things about this that just make my head hurt, and it's not just about the ending, but rather, if this isn't the true ending, and EA-o-ware is withholding the true ending to make a profit, then have we as consumers basically shown that we can be manipulated to pay extra for a product that didn't come whole? There are only a few explanations that are viable to this, but they all are pretty sucky. One, Bioward and EA are scheming to get more money out of us. Two, EA forced Bioware to try this experiment. Three, Bioware did not have time to finish the ending they want, so they shipped an ending they knew they could build off, hopefully without a cost to us..... So, if this is not the true ending, then one of those options is true.

But back to the indoctrination theory. I see it as quite viable, as several of its points make sense. For instance, why would the god child look like the child from the beginning of the game? The only way it would take this form is if it knew that Shepard was attached emotionally to the child's death, and that by looking like him, Shep would be more likely to agree. But how does the child take its form? Where does it get the outline from? The only logical place would be from Shepard's mind. That creates two options, one, that Shepard had his mind read by literally a god, as what else could read the mind of someone, or two, that Shep is being indoctrinated, and the Catalyst took the form to try and persuade Shep to its paths.

Another thought, if Shep lives, he wakes up in rubble, as in rubble from London. No where is any metallic space pieces or remainders of the citadel. Why? Because the citadel was never destroyed. If it was, than Earth, and for that matter, Shepard would be littered and surrounded by space junk. Also, how da hell would Shepard survive a fall like that? The atmosphere alone would burn up his body, let alone the impact of hitting the earth when one was in the atmosphere.

There are just too many porblems with the current endings. Just my thoughts.

[legion999]

What about closure?

[sniperhobbit]

Wow that is the most eye opening opinons I have every seen thanks dude and If this is real what biowares real intesion was then you right this is 1 of the most amazing gameing mind tricks of all time but It will still be a shame if u just fail because like my self did not get over 4000asets just because I didnt play online But the reaper did not trick me and I chose to destroy them but only had 2780 odd war assets meaning I got the ending where Earth was saved and every 1 on it but the reapers were all destroyed but because I chose that if that means my hole mass effect experience has led to me failing the war and loseing to the reapers and not able 2 hopefully carrys on biowares final dlc chapter I will be ver sad

[GamerrangerX]

a very interesting thread,but only time will tell is the Indoctrination theory is true,i choce to control that was the best choice for me if what you say is true then Bioware is truely the King of RPG

[Smiley556]

Ryan546 wrote...

@ Smiley & OP. I think you are both drawing conclusions from highly ambiguous details and then try to call them facts. it is a THEORY. And when DLC comes out it will either be before the ending or a new ending. Bioware would not claim that one ending is right. Think what you will, doesn't mean it is right

If you can present me with a better explenation by all means, we would love to hear it. And not the god kid space magic one, cos thats just fairytale retatarded.