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[darkshadow136]

I had around 6800 GWA. Your are wrong.

if you want your voice heard louder got to my blog which I have a link too in my Sig , click on my ME3 review and click on the links to my polls.

1. would you Boycott Bioware if they don't fix the endings
2. do you believe Multiplayer should have no impact on the single player campaign
3. Facebook Campaign demand better endings for ME3

[pro5]

Michael Gamble has retweeted a post about an article defending the current ending.
http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I would like to believe your theories, but the sad truth seems to be Bioware believes this ending is good. 

[JeffZero]

Why would Shepard's brain willfully choose to hallucinate the Normandy crashing on an unknown world?

Why would BioWare intentionally set itself up for a DLC with an enormous VA budget after going to extreme lengths to avoid such issues with ME2's 'silent squadmate' treatment?

Why is everyone using a link from a mod who didn't work on the game himself as evidence when it's crystal-clear his intention was to say 'this thread appears to be discussing potential interpretations so please do not clog the forums' and nothing else?

The continuity in the endings is problematic. And I don't doubt the odds that we will be seeing some sort of postgame DLC. But I don't think it's the 'yup, it was all a lie' you're expecting.

[Computron2000]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
all games had 2 plots
the main over arching "destroy the reapers"
and "kill Saren and geth" in ME1
"kill collectors and defeat harbinger" in ME3
and "conquer indoctrination" in ME3

this is not crazy by any means. Indoctrination is talked about since early ME1, we should be able to recognise it, but i guess we are not all smart enough. Bioware you need to dumb down the ending, dont be myserious or deep just give us blue babies and text epilogue slideshows. We wont be as frieghtended ny that.

Brilliant! I thought the entire idea of ME3 was to defeat the Reapers! I never thought it was to "conquer indoctrination". Thats just so smart! Hey maybe the next time i catch a movie like Titanic, they can cut off the last 10 minutes of it and put it as Titanic 2 "what finally happend to jack". I'm sure everyone will be fine with paying for 10 minutes!

Bioware must be a pioneer in this sort of business model! Or maybe the entire OP post is just bunk

[Tiax Rules All]

dkear1 wrote...

As to the indoctrination theory, I have to admit it is a good one. However, to end the game like that has got to be the biggest mistake that a gaming company has ever made. Besides, if this was the case, I hardly think that bioware would remain silent with the outcry as big as it is.

its certainly gained attention, and negative PR is still PR. EA knows this.

People scream "DAY ONE DLC IS EVIL"
all the other people hear is "i need this DLC to be comlplete"

Bioware never said that you need prothy to be complete, but they also aren't the least bit trying to tell you otherwise. Plan succeded, Day one DLC is uber success

now to present time: 
Shouts: "endgame dlc is evil!!"
heard:  "i need new ending dlc to be complete"

[dkear1]

Lugaidster wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

As to the indoctrination theory, I have to admit it is a good one. However, to end the game like that has got to be the biggest mistake that a gaming company has ever made. Besides, if this was the case, I hardly think that bioware would remain silent with the outcry as big as it is.

Regardless of intent, the game as presented is either incomplete or retarded. I prefer incomplete .

Ah...optimisim......we have dismissed that claim.  ROFL!!!

Sorry, I just could not resist. 
I do hope you are right....that it is just incomplete.

[Fatso8686]

Esquin wrote...

No. You're wrong.

I get it. I just wanted some kind of closure. You're ignoring the issue. We just wanted to know what happened to our galaxy after we made our decision. Thats all.

This. We understand what happened, we just wanted a nice 20+ minute video of life in the galaxy without the reapers. If shep still dies and relays are still destroyed, thats okay, I just want more closure!

[Lugaidster]

I'm starting to lose hope:

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

See the last tweet. It goes to a Penny-Arcade article explaining how the end as is is ok.

[Meltemph]

"golf clap for Tiax"

Ya, I also think the intent is obvious... Otherwise we would have to believe that Q now exists in this universe as well. Nice job spelling it out. That said, the fact that the endings make you look at the writers to understand all the implications, imo, does to a certain extent ignore the point of the medium.

[Capeo]

Soilworker77 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
ok one more...

shepard is not dead. but dying, and only by choosing correctly will you ever see him "wake up"

answer me this.. why would bioware show shep alive, still on earth, in rubble, if not to say "it was all in his head" I mean this honestly. Why would they award you with a live shepard on only the hardest to achieve of endings if not planned that way to show you the facts. I men alot can be taken from that small tidbit.
namely:
*shep is not dead
* shep is clearly (its not fact but come on) not on the citadel, he is in the rubble of london. compare the rubble with both scenes.. It the citadel made of grey stone bricks? I think not. Was london? umm yes. everything was grey and stone. Just go look for yourself.
Don't even try telling me that he WAS on the citadel on now he is blown back to earth or some BS. It is clear that. This is made to be an eye opening moment that flips your perception around.

Again, nope.  If that shot was supposed to mean Shep was back on earth then they could have shown an Earth skyline.  Even if you take it as Earth all that means is Shep made it back to the teleport beam or, most likely, it's just and Easter Egg with little thought put into it. 

And again, you keep ignoring the script and the order the endings are unlocked.  Destroy, Control then Synergy.  The script specifically states Synergy is the "perfect" ending.  You also ignore the epilogue which shows, without a doubt, that the Reapers were taken care of and the Relays are destroyed.  This epilogue plays no matter what ending you choose.

When I was at Earth I had Garrus and Javik with me.
After Shepard had got hit by that Reaper laser and Shepard hallucinated about the Citadel, Garrus must then have turned head over heels to get to the closest shuttle to get back on the Normandy so they then could escape from Earth without any reason.
Becuase during the epilogue Garrus steps out of the stranded Normandy.
Why would Garrus run and why would Joker flee with the Normandy?
Garrus ain't that kind of turian, he would have stood his ground and fought the Reapers nor would Joker have fled with the Normandy.

Shepard never got to the beam, he/she was knocked out by the Reaper laser, then hallucinating about the whole Citadel thing while being under Reaper influence.
The epilogue is just how Shepard wanted his/her crew's fate to be.
And then he/she wakes up in the rubble of London.

Oh, good god.  Shepard wanted his crew to get stranded on some rock?  That would be his ultimate wish?  Strand everyone away from their homes they just worked so hard to reclaim?  And what it SAY IN THE SCRIPT means nothing?  It has always been their intent that Synergy is the best ending.  This is BWs words.  They call it the perfect ending and the one that saves the galaxy.  

[Turian Agent 19]

I totally agree with you, the choices make are interesting and are totally fine with me, its just needs to show life in the galaxy after your choice in order to bring a sense of closure to everything. It just feels like some people are blowing it way out of praportion.

[Aulis Vaara]

The thing that made me believe it was NOT indoctrination was the bit that came after the credits. I want to believe that it was indeed indoctrination, but if so, it was told in a very poor way. I'm also a bit bummed that I didn't get the best ending with my Shepard. Though possibly that's because I might've rushed through Mass Effect 1 with that playthrough (I don't actually remember).

In my opinion, if indoctrination is through, than the bit you get with the best ending is vital to the ending, and should've been given in every (relevant) ending, while the best ending got a bit more. And the little legend story at the end shouldn't be there at all, or it should be the reward for the very best ending.

That is, IF indoctrination is true.

[Arppis]

"Write me some new endings Bioware!!!"

Wouldn't be suprised if someone would do this.

[Corrik Ronis]

No we "get" it, it's just very poor writing.

[MedhiaNox]

@Aulis Vaara: Technically the Stargazer doesn't dispute any theories about Shepard's continued adventures.

In fact - the Stargazer tells the boy there's: "One more story." Left to tell about "The Shepard."

I still don't think it has anything to do with indoctrination though.

Modifié par MedhiaNox, 13 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Zhijn]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

The indoctrination theory is very likely true, but it dosnt change anything about the ending since there was no end. You never fought off the reapers, you never "won" or "failed" the fight. All you did was either beat indoctrination or not.

Which to me seems like that sort of story element should have been befor an actually ending to a trilogy. Having that as our ending make no sens. Was ME1 > ME2 > ME3 journey just about Shepard beating indoctrination?. Hell no it wasnt. Might have played its part but no thats noway to end this game.

all games had 2 plots
the main over arching "destroy the reapers"
and "kill Saren and geth" in ME1
"kill collectors and defeat harbinger" in ME3
and "conquer indoctrination" in ME3

this is not crazy by any means. Indoctrination is talked about since early ME1, we should be able to recognise it, but i guess we are not all smart enough. Bioware you need to dumb down the ending, dont be myserious or deep just give us blue babies and text epilogue slideshows. We wont be as frieghtended ny that.

Your right, i gues not everyone is smart enough. The 25-30k gamers and rising who had no joy with this ending must be the lesser creatures of this world. Arrogant much?.

A mystery is all fine and fun to theorize on, but to have it as a ending to a trilogy long awaited is not the way go about it. There should have been some sort of closure for anyone who had been with this game since ME1. And no matter how much you indulge on this indotricnation theory, and how wonderful "smart" it played out it should never had been the final end to our Shepard.

Well i gues there was one ending. The reaper were never defeated, because either way you never make it up that beam. Uh?.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

I saw the "Shepard alive" ending. I earned that one, but only in the destroy option. Yet alive, amidst rubble that-can-not-be the Citadel. It blew up in his FACE in the destroy. He'd be dead. If alive, he's alive still on Earth. Too much doesn't make sense and is too big of a jump in "suspension in disbelief" that makes no sense. Indoctrination/dream makes so much more sense over all than things "as they appear to have happened" at the end. Difference in dialogue do with the Catalyst. "Why are you here" versus "Wake up" depending on your assests? Thats just a very odd thing to be effect by assets. Seriously, NONE of it, as it apppears, makes any narrative sense within the Mass Effect universe.

[Tiax Rules All]

Capeo wrote...

Oh, good god.  Shepard wanted his crew to get stranded on some rock?  That would be his ultimate wish?  Strand everyone away from their homes they just worked so hard to reclaim?  And what it SAY IN THE SCRIPT means nothing?  It has always been their intent that Synergy is the best ending.  This is BWs words.  They call it the perfect ending and the one that saves the galaxy.  

source?

so the "perfect ending? is not the one that has the OMG shep is alive moment at the end? this shepard live, game chaging moment only happens on the hardest to achieve ending.  This is not the "perfect ending"?

Synergy does the reapers job for them and is in a sense the WORST ending. Turning all life to half reaper tech synthetic life? F that noise. that is not perfect.. its perfect for the reapers. they can go home winners without firing any more shots.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 13 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Capeo]

Corrik Ronis wrote...

No we "get" it, it's just very poor writing.

Precisely.  I don't understand why people are shocked about this.  The entire story is hackneyed sci-fi hokum.  The Reapers reasoning is moronic.  The idea that we could build a massive weapon, having no clue what it does, without Cerebus or the Reapers knowing is moronic.  Moving the Citadel to Earth?  Really?  Sudden space-god Deus Ex Machina ending that just reuse the same assets?  Really?  The whole story is full of holes and invalidates much of what came before.  The citadel is conscious yet Sovereign had to physically get Saren inside to open the relay?  Which clearly they didn't need anyway because they just float their way to the nearest relay.

People are acting like BW has ever written ME consistently or even well.  We gloss over these things because we lack the characters but if you look at the series as a whole, the novels and the comics the writing is attrocious.

[FoxShadowblade]

To be honest, a friend brought up a huge support for the Indoctrination theory the other day: The kid. From the beginning, Shepard is the only one who sees this kid. When he tries to coax the kid out from the vent and Anderson comes over, nothing. No 'what are you doing?' No confused look. Then when the kid is trying to get to the shuttle people are running past not even acknowledging him...and he's staring at Shepard. Just something to think about.

Oh and the husk growling noise after you cant get the kid out of the vent. Grayson said he would hear growling noises whenever he tried to resist the indoctrination.

[Tiax Rules All]

MedhiaNox wrote...

@Aulis Vaara: Technically the Stargazer doesn't dispute any theories about Shepard's continued adventures.

In fact - the Stargazer tells the boy there's: "One more story." Left to tell about "The Shepard."

I still don't think it has anything to do with indoctrination though.

 no because canon will be, the destroy ending with over >4000 EFM, indoctrination bit is over with the ending presented.

[Capeo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Oh, good god.  Shepard wanted his crew to get stranded on some rock?  That would be his ultimate wish?  Strand everyone away from their homes they just worked so hard to reclaim?  And what it SAY IN THE SCRIPT means nothing?  It has always been their intent that Synergy is the best ending.  This is BWs words.  They call it the perfect ending and the one that saves the galaxy.  

source?

so the "perfect ending? is not the one that has the OMG shep is alive moment at the end? this shepard live, game chaging moment only happens on the hardest to achieve ending.  This is not the "perfect ending"?

Synergy does the reapers job for them and is in a sense the WORST ending. Turning all life to half reaer tech synthetic life? F that noise. that is not perfect.. its perfect for the reapers. they can go home winners without firing any more shots.

Source?  The leaked script.  Whether you think it's perfect or not has no bearing on what BW thinks.

[Soilworker77]

Capeo wrote...

Soilworker77 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
ok one more...

shepard is not dead. but dying, and only by choosing correctly will you ever see him "wake up"

answer me this.. why would bioware show shep alive, still on earth, in rubble, if not to say "it was all in his head" I mean this honestly. Why would they award you with a live shepard on only the hardest to achieve of endings if not planned that way to show you the facts. I men alot can be taken from that small tidbit.
namely:
*shep is not dead
* shep is clearly (its not fact but come on) not on the citadel, he is in the rubble of london. compare the rubble with both scenes.. It the citadel made of grey stone bricks? I think not. Was london? umm yes. everything was grey and stone. Just go look for yourself.
Don't even try telling me that he WAS on the citadel on now he is blown back to earth or some BS. It is clear that. This is made to be an eye opening moment that flips your perception around.

Again, nope.  If that shot was supposed to mean Shep was back on earth then they could have shown an Earth skyline.  Even if you take it as Earth all that means is Shep made it back to the teleport beam or, most likely, it's just and Easter Egg with little thought put into it. 

And again, you keep ignoring the script and the order the endings are unlocked.  Destroy, Control then Synergy.  The script specifically states Synergy is the "perfect" ending.  You also ignore the epilogue which shows, without a doubt, that the Reapers were taken care of and the Relays are destroyed.  This epilogue plays no matter what ending you choose.

When I was at Earth I had Garrus and Javik with me.
After Shepard had got hit by that Reaper laser and Shepard hallucinated about the Citadel, Garrus must then have turned head over heels to get to the closest shuttle to get back on the Normandy so they then could escape from Earth without any reason.
Becuase during the epilogue Garrus steps out of the stranded Normandy.
Why would Garrus run and why would Joker flee with the Normandy?
Garrus ain't that kind of turian, he would have stood his ground and fought the Reapers nor would Joker have fled with the Normandy.

Shepard never got to the beam, he/she was knocked out by the Reaper laser, then hallucinating about the whole Citadel thing while being under Reaper influence.
The epilogue is just how Shepard wanted his/her crew's fate to be.
And then he/she wakes up in the rubble of London.

Oh, good god.  Shepard wanted his crew to get stranded on some rock?  That would be his ultimate wish?  Strand everyone away from their homes they just worked so hard to reclaim?  And what it SAY IN THE SCRIPT means nothing?  It has always been their intent that Synergy is the best ending.  This is BWs words.  They call it the perfect ending and the one that saves the galaxy.  

You did hear the Reaper (Catalyst/Child) say that every Mass Relay would get destoyed no matter what choice you choose, right?
When that would have happend, Shepard hallucinated that his/her crew managed to get as far away as possible from the Reapers.
I don't think Shepard would have wanted his/her crew to live unhappy, non-peaceful lives close to the Reapers.
In Shepard's hallucination they got a peaceful life far away from the Reapers.

Modifié par Soilworker77, 13 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Capeo wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Oh, good god.  Shepard wanted his crew to get stranded on some rock?  That would be his ultimate wish?  Strand everyone away from their homes they just worked so hard to reclaim?  And what it SAY IN THE SCRIPT means nothing?  It has always been their intent that Synergy is the best ending.  This is BWs words.  They call it the perfect ending and the one that saves the galaxy.  

source?

so the "perfect ending? is not the one that has the OMG shep is alive moment at the end? this shepard live, game chaging moment only happens on the hardest to achieve ending.  This is not the "perfect ending"?

Synergy does the reapers job for them and is in a sense the WORST ending. Turning all life to half reaer tech synthetic life? F that noise. that is not perfect.. its perfect for the reapers. they can go home winners without firing any more shots.

Source?  The leaked script.  Whether you think it's perfect or not has no bearing on what BW thinks.

 so somewhere in this leaked script there is a line that says synergy is the "perfect ending"

I can only believe that with some sort of proof or source.

[MedhiaNox]

@FoxShadowblade: That isn't indoctrination though (except for maybe this "growling" theme) - that's just good o'le fashion hallucination.

And - book aside (because not everyone reads them) - nobody who is indoctrinated has indicated that they're hallucinating.

Instead - I think because Shepard is partly Reaper - the Catalyst can communicate with him. He already IS the synthesis between man and machine... as the Catalyst says: "The pinnacle of evolution."

It's the same as Legion's Consensus.  Shepard is just hallucinating in some form of cyber-space.

Something I always wondered... why are you chasing the child through a forest?

Modifié par MedhiaNox, 13 mars 2012 - 06:04 .