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[Lugaidster]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Guys, snap out of it. Tweets almost confirm that what we got is definitive. I was a believer of this theory since Saturday until now. Kinda sucks though...

 i saw tweets that say otherwise...

Like what? To me linking to an article that says this is it is a pretty strong statement... I'm not usually one to lose hope but... I don't need more evidence of this theory (Like I said, I was sold on it on saturday), I just need confirmation.

Modifié par Lugaidster, 13 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[JasonTan87]

Promchek wrote...

The more you defend nonsence, more nonsence you will get. For the books/movies/games, basecally story telling media, you really shoulden't give a credit for the things what autor DIDN'T put in, because, well here is a big leap, He didn't put in.

This.

It's okay to speculate.  It's okay to come up with theories.  It's okay to be convinced.

It's not okay to tell everyone else 'this is the true ending' when we cannot say for sure.

We're pushing it so far we are no longer objective.

Please don't give the writer premature credit for something FOR SOMETHING HE DIDN"T CREATE AND SOMETHING THAT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE IN.

Modifié par JasonTan87, 13 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[matchboxmatt]

Great thread OP. Clear, concise, and enlightening. Makes me feel even better seeing other people share the same sentiments.

And of course, if everyone accepted that this theory is completely true kind of undermines the purpose of the ending according theory itself - so I think the people who are willing to accept it will, and the people who do not, won't. Which is completely fine.

Modifié par matchboxmatt, 13 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Smiley556]

ThE-1cY wrote...

Hey thanks OP, great read. But can you explain why in low EMS, the kid starts with an angry tone saying: "Why are you here?", in high EMS saying: "Wake up"?

Do you agree to the explanation below?
"If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS)
then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will
deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said
'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to
indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the
reapers.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high
EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they
see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that
they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in
future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and
sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully
indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?"

Btw, OP, i think you've compiled most of the evidence from the 300+ pages of the indoctrination thread. Yours are mostly right and I hope this is the ending we're looking for.

Thanks for pointing this one out!

This would link in to the answer as to why not all options open up on lower EMS. Only on higher EMS would the reapers deam Shepard a threat. That would explain why they 'try harder' to indoctrinate him with high EMS. The reaper kid is allot nicer to him since its importent to coerce shepard. This is also why more option are presented and so much emphasis is put on making shepard not choose destruction.

[Tiax Rules All]

ThE-1cY wrote...

Hey thanks OP, great read. But can you explain why in low EMS, the kid starts with an angry tone saying: "Why are you here?", in high EMS saying: "Wake up"?

Do you agree to the explanation below?
"If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS)
then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will
deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said
'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to
indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the
reapers.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high
EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they
see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that
they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in
future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and
sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully
indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?"

Btw, OP, i think you've compiled most of the evidence from the 300+ pages of the indoctrination thread. Yours are mostly right and I hope this is the ending we're looking for.

makes sense. I said something to that effect earlier. ther is no synthesize of control options with lom EMF because the who indoctrination thing is not needed. Sheps and his forces can not win and reapers are not feeling threatened. Whatver happens to shep afterwards is moot because war is lost. all will die anyways.

[Falconee]

Ok...


I've read the whole block of text. And if the ending wasnt sad enough, you now tell me it went all to hell?

I choosed the "control" ending, but had not enough EMS points to see shepard breath again.

Which means: Earth whiped out, humanity dead with all other organic life and me some sort of "Reaper"?

Is that correct?

Everything i did was for naught?


Man, i have a fable for bad endings, i mostly like them more than the we-all-lough-happy-ends, but that is really hard stuff.

Modifié par Falconee, 13 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[Nu-Nu]

Didn't believe this theory at first, but I now hope it's true! But it would be the cruelest stunt Bioware has played on their fans.

Edit - and the conclusion should have been part of the game, not some future dlc. Mass effect 3 was suppose to be the final story, not some future dlc.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 13 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Lugaidster wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Guys, snap out of it. Tweets almost confirm that what we got is definitive. I was a believer of this theory since Saturday until now. Kinda sucks though...

 i saw tweets that say otherwise...

Like what? To me linking to an article that says this is it is a pretty strong statement... I'm not usually one to lose hope but... I don't need more evidence of this theory (Like I said, I was sold on it on saturday), I just need confirmation.

 i hate twitter, but this video has two ME3 tweets at the beginning. Its no "proof" but what is? its just a possible hinting

[Smiley556]

Falconee wrote...

Ok...


I've read the whole block of text. And if the ending wasnt sad enough, you now tell me it went all to hell?

I choosed the "control" ending, but had not enough EMS points to see shepard breath again.

Which means: Earth whiped out, humanity dead with all other organic life and me some sort of "Reaper"?

Is that correct?


Man, i have a fable for bad endings, i mostly like them more than the we-all-lough-happy-ends, but that is really hard stuff.

I think you need to reread the text again (sorry). I should also point out you cant get the shepard breathing scene unless you pick the destroy option (and only with enough ems). And no, we are trying to make the story happier by explaining it, just clearer. 

[Tiax Rules All]

Falconee wrote...

Ok...


I've read the whole block of text. And if the ending wasnt sad enough, you now tell me it went all to hell?

I choosed the "control" ending, but had not enough EMS points to see shepard breath again.

Which means: Earth whiped out, humanity dead with all other organic life and me some sort of "Reaper"?

Is that correct?

Everything i did was for naught?


Man, i have a fable for bad endings, i mostly like them more than the we-all-lough-happy-ends, but that is really hard stuff.

yes, thats just it. Its not a happy ending. and more so, you are ONLY supposed to realize how sad it really is when you see that shep lives at the end of a destroy >4k 

Just like real indocrination you dont know you are till you are slapped in the face with it. TIM, Saren, cerberus techs, everybody.

[balance5050]

 I just read the OP, and pretty much agree. 
Some can view this as the end if that their is thing... and they get their little scene with different colored space:wizard:  that does things only possible in a dream/fantasy... and die.

But those of us who saw through the lie, or had the will to say "NO, NOT LIKE THIS!", and saw Shep take that waking breath... Knows that for them...

this. is. not. the. end.

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Smiley556]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Guys, snap out of it. Tweets almost confirm that what we got is definitive. I was a believer of this theory since Saturday until now. Kinda sucks though...

 i saw tweets that say otherwise...

Like what? To me linking to an article that says this is it is a pretty strong statement... I'm not usually one to lose hope but... I don't need more evidence of this theory (Like I said, I was sold on it on saturday), I just need confirmation.

 i hate twitter, but this video has two ME3 tweets at the beginning. Its no "proof" but what is? its just a possible hinting

To add more supportive (though vague, like All tweets so far) twitter posts: https://twitter.com/...307366397902848 

[ThE-1cY]

Looks like indoctrination = inception.

[Lordalif]

If the IDT is correct (which I believe makes more sense then the others) I think its a good ending, however you dont end a 3 year game trilogy on a cliff hanger.

I need closure and the whole joker landing on a different planet just messes my brain up and makes no sense what so ever in my mind :/.

[Falconee]

Well, i hoped i could do something good by taking control. Beeing tricked so hard makes me sad...and proud of the storywriters for such a strong ending.

But now, im going to drink a whine and cry a little, for i fought the last three to four days for becoming a reaper in the end.

[balance5050]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Didn't believe this theory at first, but I now hope it's true! But it would be the cruelest stunt Bioware has played on their fans.

Edit - and the conclusion should have been part of the game, not some future dlc. Mass effect 3 was suppose to be the final story, not some future dlc.

Cruel.. just like the reapers and Harbinger maybe?

[balance5050]

...or to be more precise about my previous comment, I was disappointed in the LACK of impact my choices had on @masseffect 3's ending.


@robertcooper45 "There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." Name that movie.

THAT RIGHT THERE says a lot.

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

hmmm...I never thought about it like that. But to be honest, I did think it was weird of them to say that nobody made it on the radio when I was clearly standing right there. But because I wanted to go ahead and finish, I over looked it.

[Tiax Rules All]

Falconee wrote...

Well, i hoped i could do something good by taking control. Beeing tricked so hard makes me sad...and proud of the storywriters for such a strong ending.

But now, im going to drink a whine and cry a little, for i fought the last three to four days for becoming a reaper in the end.

 I lol'ed

i mean i did this too. I was foled by the boy and clicked control at first cause i bought the whole shaded paragon blue thing. Only to later see all endings and get my mind blown by sheps breath on earth. From there everything else starting falling into place and that feeling of not getting a good ending faded.

[yoshibb]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

[balance5050]

xIREDEEMEDIx wrote...

hmmm...I never thought about it like that. But to be honest, I did think it was weird of them to say that nobody made it on the radio when I was clearly standing right there. But because I wanted to go ahead and finish, I over looked it.

You heard that because your real body was unconcious but you could still hear some real audio.

That happens to me, my buzzer starts out as like a fire truck in my dream then i wake up. I ve evenwoken up but still had the sensation of holding something, and then when i look at my hand the feeling goes away.. I was just a kid but i still remember that.

[Tiax Rules All]

xIREDEEMEDIx wrote...

hmmm...I never thought about it like that. But to be honest, I did think it was weird of them to say that nobody made it on the radio when I was clearly standing right there. But because I wanted to go ahead and finish, I over looked it.

and they would have saw you i mean ALL EYES were on your charge, you know how many binoculars were pointed straight at that beam with thier last hopes of victory?

just as the radio says, nobody made it to the beam, all forces decimated, need to fll back and regroup. nobody saw shepard and DEFINATELY nobody saw and admiral outrun shep through fire to beat him to it.

[noobcannon]

HooblaDGN wrote...

At low military strength some people ONLY get the destroy option. They are unable to choose the others. This sort of renders indoctrination theory moot. If the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate you they would not ONLY preent you with the option they're trying to drive you away from.

Linky:

http://m.gamefaqs.co...fect-3/62225565

you only get the destroy option if you destroyed the collector base in me2 when at low WA, but  if you saved the collector base, your only option i believe is the control option.

[ricco19]

I do not think this was BioWares intention of the ending. I think this is a fan rationalization to a bad ending... in which case we are all on the same side here.

[Nu-Nu]

balance5050 wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Didn't believe this theory at first, but I now hope it's true! But it would be the cruelest stunt Bioware has played on their fans.

Edit - and the conclusion should have been part of the game, not some future dlc. Mass effect 3 was suppose to be the final story, not some future dlc.

Cruel.. just like the reapers and Harbinger maybe?

Bioware = reapers, sounds like a plausible theory! It will be a punch into fan's faces if the conclusion is a dlc.