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[balance5050]

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

Thats exactly what you're not getting, it's NOT over except if you want your shepard to die/become indoctrinated, your story could have ended back when you first ran into a husk on eden prime in ME1.

For the rest of us, were just waiting for the announcement (march 15th hopefully.)

[Tiax Rules All]

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

[mscotch]

It's a cool idea but I found it was poorly presented. Even after you resist indoctrination and choose the destroy option, you still see the relays destroyed and Normandy crash landing. It would have been better if you have enough war assets for the ending to just cut to Shepard taking that breath.

Also, if this is the true ending, hopefully they have more content planned to see what actually happens with the galaxy, otherwise it's pretty unsatisfying. 

Modifié par mscotch, 13 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Dranume]

My favorite thing is that no matter what armor you are wearing or what color you make it, when you get hit with Reaper Lazor -o- Death, you are back in the default armor..

At first I thought this was a way to cut corners and save time in the game, then I was leaning torwards the whole dream / indoctrination thing... still though I can see it as a way to cut down on production time and cost.

[jayYyYy]

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

[balance5050]

Nu-Nu wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Didn't believe this theory at first, but I now hope it's true! But it would be the cruelest stunt Bioware has played on their fans.

Edit - and the conclusion should have been part of the game, not some future dlc. Mass effect 3 was suppose to be the final story, not some future dlc.

Cruel.. just like the reapers and Harbinger maybe?

Bioware = reapers, sounds like a plausible theory! It will be a punch into fan's faces if the conclusion is a dlc.

The only way they could come out of this with respect is if they release it for free, not a huge deal considering Iwould probably give them all my money after that.

[Smiley556]

 Warning sign: Indoctrination danger
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[KainrycKarr]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

A weak excuse for shoddy writing.


Why did Sovereign need to open the citadel if the citadel was IN CONTROL OF THE REAPERS?
Why was the Normandy way off, by itself, with the squadmates you took with you to EARTH THAT MAGICALLY TELEPORTED, by the relay?
Why did the kid NOT mention that the relay energy opens up wormholes that suck in ships and spit them out on random locations?
Why did I see Liara in my flashback instead of Tali, my LI?
Why was there no text-based epilogue detailing the consequences of my actions and the state I left the galaxy in?
We're forced to accept that synthetics will always wipe out organics, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST PROVED THE EXACT OPPOSITE WITH THE GETH AND QUARIANS.

[Smiley556]

jayYyYy wrote...

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

By playing the DLC that isnt out yet.

[balance5050]

jayYyYy wrote...

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

DLC

[Rawgrim]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

A weak excuse for shoddy writing.


Why did Sovereign need to open the citadel if the citadel was IN CONTROL OF THE REAPERS?
Why was the Normandy way off, by itself, with the squadmates you took with you to EARTH THAT MAGICALLY TELEPORTED, by the relay?
Why did the kid NOT mention that the relay energy opens up wormholes that suck in ships and spit them out on random locations?
Why did I see Liara in my flashback instead of Tali, my LI?
Why was there no text-based epilogue detailing the consequences of my actions and the state I left the galaxy in?
We're forced to accept that synthetics will always wipe out organics, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST PROVED THE EXACT OPPOSITE WITH THE GETH AND QUARIANS.

Because Shep wasn`t on the Citadel to begin with...

[wickermoon]

ricco19 wrote...

I do not think this was BioWares intention of the ending. I think this is a fan rationalization to a bad ending... in which case we are all on the same side here.

Also, let's say it is true. Let's say this is all a hallucination. Would you (not the quoted person) actually pay for the DLC? Don't you think that BW planning to put a DLC with the real ending out there, for which you have to pay (to get the full game!) would be kind of a greedy **** move that not even Activision could triumph in its evilness? I am sorry, but if BioWare/EA are actually doing this, then they've sold me an incomplete game under false terms! I will NOT pay for such kind of DLC and I will definitely never buy any other BioWare game again! If it's free...fine. They've tricked me, or at least were clever enough to take a player created ending and put it somehow in there to save their arses, but at least I get closure, an ending that makes sense (hopefully) and the drive to play that game again. I'm still gonna be pissed about it, because waiting for a week to see an ending just because a company wanted to do some publicity hoax is not right for me. But at least it's free and I will get an ending.

Modifié par wickermoon, 13 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[jef379]

I was on the Mass Effect wikia and found this on the indoctrination codex page(apologies if it was previously mentionned). It is verbatim from the in-game codex by the way :

''Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.''

This is exactly what's happening during the several dream sequences in the game right ? First it is only the kid, then people talking and ghostly silhouettes. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated yet, but i was coming slowly and culminated when Shepard got hit by the laser.
This is starting to make even more sense. I bet there are even more clues in the game, I'll check it out on my second playthrough. It could all be wishful thinking, but it gives me hope.

[Tiax Rules All]

mscotch wrote...

It's a cool idea but I found it was poorly presented. Even after you resist indoctrination and choose the destroy option, you still see the relays destroyed and Normandy crash landing. It would have been better if you have enough war assets for the ending to just cut to Shepard taking that breath.

 the plot holes and absurd ending there are made to purposely jar you into thinking it real. Its not. Its shepards dying hallucinations. Hopes for what he imagines for his friends. he imagines succeding, reapers dying, earth celbrating, companions "escaping" evil and arriving on a new untouched paradise to start over.

Its all bull.  shep was never on citadel, crucible never fired, normandy never ran with companions. anderson never suddenly became front line grunt chrging the beam with you and making it to catalyst before you, TIM was never on the citadel, it was in your mind. all of it between destroyer beam hitting you during charge and waking up in rubble was hallucinaton,/ indoctrination

[Capeo]

jayYyYy wrote...

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

Shepard was never indoctrinated.  BW themselves, in the script, consider Synergy the best ending, over the one where Shep lives.  It's not indoctrination.  It's not hallucination.  It's just horrible writing.

[Tiax Rules All]

Dranume wrote...

My favorite thing is that no matter what armor you are wearing or what color you make it, when you get hit with Reaper Lazor -o- Death, you are back in the default armor..

At first I thought this was a way to cut corners and save time in the game, then I was leaning torwards the whole dream / indoctrination thing... still though I can see it as a way to cut down on production time and cost.

that signals the end of reality and start of hallucination. purposely or not. thats when you know. absurd things start happening, sublety alerting you to "this is not right" "not to be believed" "not real"

[balance5050]

jef379 wrote...

I was on the Mass Effect wikia and found this on the indoctrination codex page(apologies if it was previously mentionned). It is verbatim from the in-game codex by the way :

''Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.''

This is exactly what's happening during the several dream sequences in the game right ? First it is only the kid, then people talking and ghostly silhouettes. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated yet, but i was coming slowly and culminated when Shepard got hit by the laser.
This is starting to make even more sense. I bet there are even more clues in the game, I'll check it out on my second playthrough. It could all be wishful thinking, but it gives me hope.

I posted that somewhere else and thought this was obvious proof, good job.

[balance5050]

Capeo wrote...

jayYyYy wrote...

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

Shepard was never indoctrinated.  BW themselves, in the script, consider Synergy the best ending, over the one where Shep lives.  It's not indoctrination.  It's not hallucination.  It's just horrible writing.

Nah bro... indoctrination, I'm only trying to save you from ending up like Saren... didn't you play ME1?

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[PSUHammer]

I like the theory in the OP. I am also enjoying the nerd rage over all this.

[Tiax Rules All]

balance5050 wrote...

jef379 wrote...

I was on the Mass Effect wikia and found this on the indoctrination codex page(apologies if it was previously mentionned). It is verbatim from the in-game codex by the way :

''Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.''

This is exactly what's happening during the several dream sequences in the game right ? First it is only the kid, then people talking and ghostly silhouettes. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated yet, but i was coming slowly and culminated when Shepard got hit by the laser.
This is starting to make even more sense. I bet there are even more clues in the game, I'll check it out on my second playthrough. It could all be wishful thinking, but it gives me hope.

I posted that somewhere else and thought this was obvious proof, good job.

i know that some day this will all come to light as what it is, I I will try my hardest not to I told you so.

P.S.   If you think the endings are not hallucinations/ indoctrination and are just bad writing, then why are you here? If you are so sure that the endings have no potential to be good no matter what light is shined on it, then why post here? are you just a misrable person who will only feel good when others are misserable too?

[MacAttack]

I like that theory but still s***ty lol. I am willing to bet that the next dlc for the game will be a map pack for crappy multiplayer. Am i the only one that does not like multiplayer? oh well.

[Tiax Rules All]

balance5050 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

jayYyYy wrote...

So? How are we supposed to know what happens after Shepard gets himself out of indoctrination?

Shepard was never indoctrinated.  BW themselves, in the script, consider Synergy the best ending, over the one where Shep lives.  It's not indoctrination.  It's not hallucination.  It's just horrible writing.

Nah bro... indoctrination, I'm only trying to save you from ending up like Saren... didn't you play ME1?

people laugh when i say that poeple who choose anything but destroy are indoctrinated. Not just shep but the player.

Tis isnt an insult really this is just me observing that you choose to side/ comprimise with reapers, get the incomplete ending and deny that shep is indoctrinated. YOU picked the choices. YOU were manipulated by in game characters. YOu were forced to re-assess you morals at the end instead of choosing what shoudl have been the obvious choise for in game shep "destroy the reapers with extreme prejudice"

So just like a character in the game, Saren, TIM etc... you are in denial. Your shep is lost and you dont even know it.
You were indoctrinated lol. THAT is why the endign is brilliant

[Tiax Rules All]

MacAttack wrote...

I like that theory but still s***ty lol. I am willing to bet that the next dlc for the game will be a map pack for crappy multiplayer. Am i the only one that does not like multiplayer? oh well.

off topic question. No MP debate here please.

[ele25]

I just cant play any games anymore! AHH!! Why Bioware why!!!!

This ending just ruined it for me.

[Mysten]

A guide to understanding Mass Effect 3's ending:

- Play Dead Space 1 & 2.

There are so many parallels between Shepard's indoctrination and manipulation by Harbinger whilst aboard the 'Citadel' and Isaac's manipulation by the Marker in the Dead Space games, the final 'choice' was easy to see through. I almost expected the Child to deliver the line, "make us whole, Shepard" when offering the Synergy option.

I'd buy a DLC that has Isaac pop up up and yell, "it's a trap!" if you attempt to take his advice and walk towards the light.