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[avmf8]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

I did see through it and my guy was still alive where is my ending?

[pro5]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
So just like a character in the game, Saren, TIM etc... you are in denial. Your shep is lost and you dont even know it.
You were indoctrinated lol. THAT is why the endign is brilliant

Assuming for a second you're right - it would have been brilliant if the game continued if you picked the right choice. But it does not, and as it stands, it would be a cruel prank which leaves us with an incomplete game despite all promises.

[Falconee]

But one question remains:

The end text says: "Shepard ended the reaper thread" or something like this. Isnt this a strong indicator that, even the "control" ending is at least an ending where earth is saved and the Reapers pulled back?

[Tiax Rules All]

avmf8 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

I did see through it and my guy was still alive where is my ending?

in the DLC, that is part 1.5 of this thread. Its not a necessarily a bad ending at all but more like a lack of ending. We will see DLC.

[Rawgrim]

Falconee wrote...

But one question remains:

The end text says: "Shepard ended the reaper thread" or something like this. Isnt this a strong indicator that, even the "control" ending is at least an ending where earth is saved and the Reapers pulled back?

In Shep`s mind, the threat had ended.

[Trentgamer]

I think the OP is on to something with this. The problem is, it was poorly executed if that is indeed what was happening. I can only hope that if the indoctrination theory is correct..that future DLC cleans up the mess a bit and makes it more clear.

[Tiax Rules All]

Falconee wrote...

But one question remains:

The end text says: "Shepard ended the reaper thread" or something like this. Isnt this a strong indicator that, even the "control" ending is at least an ending where earth is saved and the Reapers pulled back?

if your forces are above 4k then the galaxy beats the reapers.
Shepard living is a different matter. he can still be indotrinated and " lose" while the galaxy wins. 2 seprate issues.at time of chrage on the beam the galaxie fate is aready decided. all thats eft is what happens to yor shepard.

remember, Shep NEVER leaves london, never goes to citadel.
he does make a choice but its not what it seems. the choices arent really about the war at all, just wether or not shep will give into the indoctrination. Its all illusion, you dont actually control kill or bind with ANYTHING. all that matters is, do you comprimise at end with reapers (control, sytnth) or do you defy the reapers and get the complete ending with shep awaking from the hallucination / test , alive and where that destroyer beam left him.

[Tiax Rules All]

pro5 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
So just like a character in the game, Saren, TIM etc... you are in denial. Your shep is lost and you dont even know it.
You were indoctrinated lol. THAT is why the endign is brilliant

Assuming for a second you're right - it would have been brilliant if the game continued if you picked the right choice. But it does not, and as it stands, it would be a cruel prank which leaves us with an incomplete game despite all promises.

it does continue. you get that 20 seconds of shep alive... that is the real ending. You are alive and still have more work to do. Dlc incomming.

[Falconee]

Rawgrim wrote...

Falconee wrote...

But one question remains:

The end text says: "Shepard ended the reaper thread" or something like this. Isnt this a strong indicator that, even the "control" ending is at least an ending where earth is saved and the Reapers pulled back?

In Shep`s mind, the threat had ended.

That doesnt fit. Because this is not part of the "dream" ending. Its a message you get when headed back to your main Menu.
And i got it although i had not enough points to see Shep breathing again.

Modifié par Falconee, 13 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[s8383783]

I have a few questions sorry if this has already been adressed...So if you do not choose the Destroy option and your shepard is "indoctrinated" Do you still win the overall war?

[Falconee]

Thats what im trying to find out. The end message seems to be a hint that the situation somehow cleared even with you not destroying the reaper.

I mean. I hadnt enough points, so my forces were too weak.
Shepard dead.

And even then i got that message.

[Tiax Rules All]

for the 2 posts above...

Imagine i made a youtube video of all the ending that was real and not part of any illusion or in sheps head.

It would look like this. Shep is running towards beam of light in a heroic and inspiring charge. It fails though (shep is mortal and that is his ?end) allies are decimated shep gets hit. he is now in rubble, near death, brain is still firing though. he hears the radio chatter "all forces decimated.. nobody made it to the beam... fall back and regroup" this is real but shep is imgining hes still moving towards the beam.
hes not. hes down hard. EVERYTHING that happens after that decides Sheps fate and NOT the wars fate. that part of the game is over. the war is already won or lost by EMF.

Now for anybody in the real world. Shep is still dying in rubble during the whole conclusion. if you were starnding next to him, maybe he wouldn't even be breathing. The next and last thing you will shep ever do is take the "breath" and thats only if you chose correctly in his mind. otherwise, that rubble is your coffin and shep never gets up.

does this make sense try to image yourself as hacket watching this final charge. He would have thought shep was a hero, if he died on that charge, the war can still be won and the stargazer will still hear stories of how the shepard united the galaxy to defeat the reapers.

get it?

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 13 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Falconee]

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

EDIT:
Yes, i get it. Really.

But what if you dont have enough points to save the Galaxy? Or is the galaxy saved anyway? 
I mean, i had something about 2100, which isn't enough, i think.

Modifié par Falconee, 13 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Mysten]

The datapad is just a congratulatory message to the player, it has no context within the game. It's just like Dragon Age II's note that thanks you for playing the game and tells you you've been placed back in your mansion so that you can access future DLC or the datapad from Mass Effect 2 which allows you to return to the Normandy post-game (which can't happen this time around, for obvious reasons, which is why you return to before the point-of-no-return.)

[gamestress]

Interesting! My thoughts now.. That little boy is ebil! You know if you look to the right when you're first firing on those husks you see him run into that building. And I did think it was extremely odd that no one grabbed him to help him into the shuttle.

And, dang, I was going to do synergy next.

And, doesn't BW support with DLC for a year or two?

And.. Would explain the writer tweet about "if you knew what we had planned..-paraphrase- you'd be having a nerdgasm"

[avmf8]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

avmf8 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

I did see through it and my guy was still alive where is my ending?

in the DLC, that is part 1.5 of this thread. Its not a necessarily a bad ending at all but more like a lack of ending. We will see DLC.

That would be making me pay for the ending though. I am not Ok with paying for the ending. I used to say to people when I argued about DLC "whats next are they going to charge for the ending".

So I have to make the right choice to see the real ending? Which I had it saved I did all 3 endings just too see.

But that is the whole thing this is still bad writting. Or more this is not bad righting but rather its the game makers and publishers wanting more money. I already paid for the game I paid for the prothean. I am not paying for that and if you are right I will be more angry.

You will see me making a huge stink if this happens. It is going to be very messy. Mostly of me spamming the board and Bioware being unable to stop me. See I use a VPN and I have disposable email addresses I can make as many accounts as I want.

Since they cant see my real IP address they can't ban my IP address. If this is DLC I am getting it for free if I have to rip it out of Biowares backside. I have seen this DLC thing degrade and I will not put up with this.

I really hope you are wrong but I don't think you are since you are really in space at the end.  You are in the area between the citidel and the crucible in space. That may be OK for Wheatly and Spacecore but not for a person. Even if I seen the ending wrong it's still real crummy. This just means it goes from a bit crummy to a whole dowright cluster f@@@ of suck.

[EndrzGame]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

avmf8 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

I did see through it and my guy was still alive where is my ending?

in the DLC, that is part 1.5 of this thread. Its not a necessarily a bad ending at all but more like a lack of ending. We will see DLC.

If Bioware/EA expect me to pay more money just so the ending to the game isn't riddled with plotholes and inconsistant logic then that's a big **** you in my book.
I'm coming to terms with the ending and imported another character because ME3 was great up until the ending. But if DLC closure is the way they're gonna go they'll never see one dime from me for it, or for anything else they put on shelves.
That's just shamefull.

Modifié par EndrzGame, 13 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Falconee wrote...

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

only if you believe that what happens after the destroyer beam was real. which its not, so the three choices might as well be simplied to say this

control= indoctrinated, you wont wake up
synthesis= indoctrinated, wont wake up
destroy= defies repears, wakes up, game ends, mind blown    ?story continues as DLC

[Falconee]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

only if you believe that what happens after the destroyer beam was real. which its not, so the three choices might as well be simplied to say this

control= indoctrinated, you wont wake up
synthesis= indoctrinated, wont wake up
destroy= defies repears, wakes up, game ends, mind blown    ?story continues as DLC

Ok, so i f***ed it all up.

Shepard is a Reaper.
Forces too weak.
Shepard didnt wake up. (Even if i take the "destroy" ending, i tried.)

[Tiax Rules All]

gamestress wrote...

Interesting! My thoughts now.. That little boy is ebil! You know if you look to the right when you're first firing on those husks you see him run into that building. And I did think it was extremely odd that no one grabbed him to help him into the shuttle.

And, dang, I was going to do synergy next.

And, doesn't BW support with DLC for a year or two?

And.. Would explain the writer tweet about "if you knew what we had planned..-paraphrase- you'd be having a nerdgasm"

remember your nightmares. Its sheps subconscience saying (follow the reapers, you will burn) they do it twice then the 3rd time is eve more obvoius. it shows you and the kid the you both go up in flames

I mean IT SCREAMS DONT TRUST THE KID, DONT TRUST THE REAPERS. you are supposed to trust sheps subconsciene and anderson and hackett THEY are the ones who give you guidence to kill the reapers and stary clear of comprimise THE WHOLE GAME.

You are NOT suppsed to trust the boy, reapers, TIM i mean its all bad advice from bad people. If you listen to them, then you are duped and deserve an incomplete ending.

[Soilworker77]

Falconee wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

only if you believe that what happens after the destroyer beam was real. which its not, so the three choices might as well be simplied to say this

control= indoctrinated, you wont wake up
synthesis= indoctrinated, wont wake up
destroy= defies repears, wakes up, game ends, mind blown    ?story continues as DLC

Ok, so i f***ed it all up.

Shepard is a Reaper.
Forces too weak.
Shepard didnt wake up. (Even if i take the "destroy" ending, i tried.)

What is your EMS score and did you manage to "save" Anderson from being executed by TIM?

Modifié par Soilworker77, 13 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Rawgrim]

Falconee wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

only if you believe that what happens after the destroyer beam was real. which its not, so the three choices might as well be simplied to say this

control= indoctrinated, you wont wake up
synthesis= indoctrinated, wont wake up
destroy= defies repears, wakes up, game ends, mind blown    ?story continues as DLC

Ok, so i f***ed it all up.

Shepard is a Reaper.
Forces too weak.
Shepard didnt wake up. (Even if i take the "destroy" ending, i tried.)

I think your desicion regarding the Collector`s base at the end of the second game also is a factor. Blowing it up is good.

[GBGriffin]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Couldnt it be possible that you are indeed indoctrinated, but managed to control the reapers?

only if you believe that what happens after the destroyer beam was real. which its not, so the three choices might as well be simplied to say this

control= indoctrinated, you wont wake up
synthesis= indoctrinated, wont wake up
destroy= defies repears, wakes up, game ends, mind blown    ?story continues as DLC

What's funny is, we already hate the game for railroading our decisions, but this just does the exact same thing

If you want to survive to play the DLC, you'd have to get the destroy ending with 4000/5000 assets. For the people who like this ending (for whatever reason), their journey would end at this choice unless they pick destroy with those assets.

Assuming, of course, this was even BioWare's plan to begin with.

[avmf8]

EndrzGame wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

avmf8 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

Even if they did manage to indoctrinate Shepard, they still failed to provide a compelling ending (complete with falling action) for their trilogy. Whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated, dreaming, or simply tripping on acid is immaterial.

Damning things further is the fact that I am told Shepard is a legend in the Stargazer cutscene, but I never am shown he is a legend through the eyes of the characters who are simply left unresolved by the hamfisted attempt at storytelling currently in the game.

hes a legend for assembling the galatic army that wins the war. The "details are lost to time"

This is bull****. When's the last time you saw a movie stop before the ending and then just say 'something happened, the end.' You can't leave the conclusion out of a story. That's not how stories work. You can have a cliffhanger but only if you have a sequel planned. The trilogy is over.

 you play as shepard, sheps story is stuck in a rubble pile on earth. hes not at the citadel, hes not in the normandy, hes not even conscience really, how does he (and through him, you) know what is happening somewhere else.

They are putting you into the mind and body of Shepard like never before. REAL mind games, REAL manipulation at the end. you have to truley fight indoctrination as if it was you and not shep that was there. You see i can appreciate a twist that is done that like. They invoked real emotion from me and not just contrived or expected endings..

I did see through it and my guy was still alive where is my ending?

in the DLC, that is part 1.5 of this thread. Its not a necessarily a bad ending at all but more like a lack of ending. We will see DLC.

If Bioware/EA expect me to pay more money just so the ending to the game isn't riddled with plotholes and inconsistant logic then that's a big **** you in my book.
I'm coming to terms with the ending and imported another character because ME3 was great up until the ending. But if DLC closure is the way they're gonna go they'll never see one dime from me for it, or for anything else they put on shelves.
That's just shamefull.

If this happens you may see the video on youtube of me burning my mass effect 3 copy. Or maybee I should do the one thing I never do take the game the EBgames and get what I get for it. Though I am leaning more to burning since it would make me fell so much better. Then I can put the fire out by peeing on it. Don't worry I would leave the peeing part out of the video.