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[Tiax Rules All]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...


thats your opinion. and shepard only dies in the wrong endings. the ones where you dont choose to destroy the reapers. otherwise, hes alive and ready for dlc.

That's assuming s/he survived the explosion in the destroy ending, as well as the fall to earth from orbit?  Give me a break, Shepard is dead in all three endings.

you never read the Op, shame...

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 14 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[Dr_Hello]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

I get it I just feel like they sold me a game that wasn't finished I want the real ending and not have to pay more for it cause they want to milk a game

(Given the indoctrination theory is true because I don't want us all to have our hopes high up and then crash miserably if it turns out to be untrue)

A Mass Effect 3 DLC is still part of the ME3 game... just like the 'The Arrival' and 'The Shadow Broker' DLCs were for ME2. Whether or not the 'real ending' DLC will be free, remains to be seen.

So if indeed the indoctrination were to be true, it's a bold but brave move by BW which they should be commended for because they've succeeded in creating a real indoctrination trial experience felt by Shepard and especially the gamers which no other game, any TV show or movie would or could have done, or dared to do. Visceral? yes perhaps... Ingenious? Certainly yes.

People complain how games today are simplistic, all eye-candy and one-dimensional as game creators now play it safe since games have become so expensive to make, which some in the game industry are saying it's killing creative integrity. Few game producers dare to experiment with the medium now.
So maybe ME3 will go down in game history for pulling such a creative trick off. We'll see.

So, get your SHEPARD SURVIVES save file ready!

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 14 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Rockpopple]

Totally, agree, Dr_Hello.

Hell, if this Indoctrination theory is real, then it's flippin' GENIUS. I've never seen anything like it. If it's true and BioWare "meant" to do that.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. After-all, Indoctrination has been talked about for ages in the ME series, but no matter how close Shepard got to Reapers, he'd never been Indoctrinated.... until now?

Wow.

[K_Tabris]

Of course I read it, I just take it differently than many of the conspiracy theorists on this site.

[Dr_Hello]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Of course I read it, I just take it differently than many of the conspiracy theorists on this site.

I'm prepared for whatever comes. Basically, don't raise your hopes too high but at the same time don't lose faith... as of yet.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 14 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[JamalXIX]

The problem with tiax's argument is the unresolved plotlines.
If the allied fleets defeated the reapers just by conventional combat, why did we bother getting the crucible in the first place? In fact, if it was all a hallucination, we still don't know what it does, we still don't know what the catalyst is nor what it does, and the arms to the citadel are not opened, because nobody made it to the transportation beam. Therefore, nobody gets to use it either.

Modifié par JamalXIX, 14 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[jbkr123]

jwillis7 wrote...

So i have not read all of the pages so if this has been said, my bad.

my problem with the "hints" that it was a dream are that, i can’t trust that what i am seeing is supposed to be in game or is a bug in the code. Like in DA2 it did not matter who you had a relationship with in the epilogue it said you were with Isabella. So my Shep having scars and seeing Liara with Jeff, when she should have been on the ground next to me, are not big enough hints.

I like this theory, if and only if, the ending DLC is free and they waited a while to force a break in the game play, which would be genius.

I know OP that you said you have seen episodic games coming where you play for your access to the story. That is fine but only when the game is sold as such. Never ever would it be ok to sell a game as a complete game just to find out the ending is missing.

i know it has been said before but i'm saying it again.. Even if the indoctrination stuff is right, and again i like it, the game is not over. shep needs to use an omni gel and get up . the reapers are still atacking, the crucible is moving into place GET UP. this is not a new chapter DLC we are talking about this is the conclusion of what i have just spent 30 hours, not counting however many it took to get GR to 100, to accomplish GET UP

^^^
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[Nightdragon8]

so from the first few lines of your original post, you are saying that in reality we lose.... gameover. and that we where effectively trolled by BW...

and this will help them sell games to the mass market how? How will this help them sell future games? Sounds to me like a very dumb marketing scheme. Cuase not only does it discourage future DLC profits for ME3 it also hurts Dragon age sales. which where customors where already wary of getting any future DA3 game because of DA2, Now my personal opionoin of DA2 was that it wasn't bad but could yes should bave been more like DA:O alot more customization in DAO and what not. . If this is the kind of thing we are expecting to get. Why should we trust BW games in the future? First day sales will slump after this you will see.

Don't get me wrong the game was fun up until the ending, I was having a blast with it, the story was good, the conflicts dealing with idiots. The banter, everything was good just not the ending. the plothole laden ending. Hell even tho I didn't like seeing Mordin ding in the tower I was smiling, knowing full well, that is how he wanted to die, and in all honesty I felt proud knowing him, Even as a fictional char. The only this I wished that happened, was when Mordin was going up the elevator for Shep to salute him.

The same with Thanes death, the prayer... (i realized before shep did that the prayer was for shep)

[Dr_Hello]

JamalXIX wrote...

The problem with tiax's argument is the unresolved plotlines.
If the allied fleets defeated the reapers just by conventional combat, why did we bother getting the crucible in the first place? In fact, if it was all a hallucination, we still don't know what it does, we still don't know what the catalyst is nor what it does, and the arms to the citadel are not opened, because nobody made it to the transportation beam. Therefore, nobody gets to use it either.

We don't know any of that yet. That's what a DLC could/would be able to tell us.
Let's just assume that while Shepard was going through the indoctrination trial, time in real world was frozen. Like how time passes in a dream compared to time in real world.

One thing we know, based from the Stargazer scene, is they won. How? remains to be seen.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 14 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Rip504]

So if it is a hallucination,Why is the Crucible built to dock specifically to this point of the Citadel.?.

The 5th fleet docks the Crucible,not Shepard. Entire Races helped build it,not Shepard.

Explain the Crucible in all of this.And where does this beam of light come from, The Citadel? Not the Crucible? As someone states the Reapers are using the Beam,before indoctrination.

Modifié par Rip504, 14 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[K_Tabris]

The problem with OP and others like him: You know what? It's a great way to rationalize the ending if that works for you. However, not everyone is going to interpret the endings the same, just as people interpret the character and personality of Shepard differently.

I think this was Mac Walter's intent in writing these endings. It's purposely ambiguous so the player can fill in the blanks. I choose to take most of it at face value, and saw my Shepard die. Tiax Rules all and others take it as one long dream sequence. That's fine, too. Whatever gets you to find closure in the Mass Effect series.

[Dr_Hello]

Rip504 wrote...

So if it is a hallucination,Why is the Crucible built to dock specifically to this point of the Citadel.?.

The 5th fleet dock the Crucible,not Shepard.

Explain the Crucible in all of this.And where does this beam of light come from, The Citadel? Not the Crucible? As someone states the Reapers are using the Beam,before indoctrination.

The crucible and citadel are apparently reaper-technology, built by same creators.

The beam is coming from the Citadel and the plan remains correct, that is Shepard and team hoped to reach it to beam up into the Citadel and bring the fight there. But all of that plan got scrapped when they got hit by the Destroyer's laser. The rest we saw then was hallucination aka indoctrination trial, IF the theory stands true.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 14 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[Tiax Rules All]

JamalXIX wrote...

The problem with tiax's argument is the unresolved plotlines.
If the allied fleets defeated the reapers just by conventional combat, why did we bother getting the crucible in the first place? In fact, if it was all a hallucination, we still don't know what it does, we still don't know what the catalyst is nor what it does, and the arms to the citadel are not opened, because nobody made it to the transportation beam. Therefore, nobody gets to use it either.

this doesnt make what i have written wrong. It just means that the end is incomplete.I dont pretend to have answers for things that Bioware does not show, hint at or allude to.

you can reacreate everything from my OP in your playthrough, But i cant predict what happens in the future. and thats what your asking me to do.

The resolution is either:
The end is not written and DLC...
Or the end was written so long ago (stargazer) that the details of how the war ended are lost...

that is pretty much what we got, not saying its good bad or in between. but thats the ending as it stands.

[JamalXIX]

Dr_Hello wrote...

JamalXIX wrote...

The problem with tiax's argument is the unresolved plotlines.
If the allied fleets defeated the reapers just by conventional combat, why did we bother getting the crucible in the first place? In fact, if it was all a hallucination, we still don't know what it does, we still don't know what the catalyst is nor what it does, and the arms to the citadel are not opened, because nobody made it to the transportation beam. Therefore, nobody gets to use it either.

We don't know any of that yet. That's what a DLC could/would be able to tell us.
Let's just assume that while Shepard was going through the indoctrination trial, time in real world was frozen. Like how time passes in a dream compared to time in real world.

One thing we know, based from the Stargazer scene, is they won. How? remains to be seen.

In other words, Bioware did it on purpose to sell more DLC?
It does seem like a brilliant piece of marketing strategy, I know a lot of people will buy it.
It's just sad that it's come to this; leaving the ending of the game out except "the allies defeated the reapers". (as Stargazer basically says)
Everybody knows Shepard is going to win; everybody knows the allies win. If the only way this story could end was by the reapers winning, then I think we would just not play it in the first place. 
If they intended to not have an ending to the game, they won't give us one for free...
Are they going to say: "Hahahaha, you certainly got us there; we indocrinated all of you! Oh well, here is the REAL ending". Messing with the fans in such an obvious way is just a bad idea.

[alienman]

You know, if EA/BioWare decide to do a real ending dlc, it's not because they had some cleaver thing going on like you believe op, it's because of the fan rage. Less fans = less money. If they do release this now mythical dlc, it will probably be the illusion / indoctrination thingy. You guys planted the idea with your denial... and why not use it? Easy money for EA, and they can take cred for making the most ridiculous complex/troll ending in history of gaming.

"You guys didn't expect this right? Now buy our dlc!"

[Rawgrim]

Maybe the rest of the ending is actually on the DVD`s. And we just get a code to unlock it. I dunno.

[Tiax Rules All]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

The problem with OP and others like him: You know what? It's a great way to rationalize the ending if that works for you. However, not everyone is going to interpret the endings the same, just as people interpret the character and personality of Shepard differently.

I think this was Mac Walter's intent in writing these endings. It's purposely ambiguous so the player can fill in the blanks. I choose to take most of it at face value, and saw my Shepard die. Tiax Rules all and others take it as one long dream sequence. That's fine, too. Whatever gets you to find closure in the Mass Effect series.

i would honestly like to hear another take on what sheps body is doing at the end of only the destroy ending at >4k EMF.   

No sarcasm.. let me have it. because untill im presented with an alternative. How can you ignore this huge eye opening scene?  What does it mean to you? how can you explain this differently and not deny the cold hard pixels in front of you.   

I'll start.. I see shep lying in the spot in london near the beam that he got shot by the reaper. he doent just land there.. or appear there after the choice scene. He in fact never left. what you played was in sheps subconscience and him taking his breath at the end is the game slapping you and telling you to wake up, what you saw was not real.

your turn..

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 14 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[xeNNN]

you know what i worry about is everyone here getting behind the theory and saying what if bioware didnt mean to but now theyve seen so many of you behind the theory they use it and pretend they intended to do it and then add the ending DLC. sorry dont mean to be a buzz kill but yeah thats what worries me. u be givin dem idea's mang.

[jbkr123]

i desperately want to believe this, it fits so well and fills all of the "plot holes" brought up with the current "endings". but i still want to know what happens, and i don't want to have to pay for, althoughh i know i will, which is a complete **** move by bioware, if thats the route they take.

[Tiax Rules All]

xeNNN wrote...

you know what i worry about is everyone here getting behind the theory and saying what if bioware didnt mean to but now theyve seen so many of you behind the theory they use it and pretend they intended to do it and then add the ending DLC. sorry dont mean to be a buzz kill but yeah thats what worries me. u be givin dem idea's mang.

if indoctrination makes sense and people can accept it then why not?
if the face value ending is truley so full of holes. then why cling to something that doesnt make sense?

and BTW i hear what your saying but no, Bioware might be damn balsy here, but they would not try to take fan endings and call them thier own if they were not written that way. Not gonna happen.

[Rhaigun]

 Thank you, Tiax Rules All. This is exactly waht I needed. The ending is infinitely more enjoyable.

[Hashishim]

erm, I have one view point not to sure whether it has been mentioned, but it gives hints to indoctrination as well, go back to the arrival DLC. From Mass Effect 2. Shepard the indoctrination process starts there, as he has contact with that reaper pylon thing.

Also the dream sequences, we see it as nightmares, perhaps its the indoctrinations trying to destroy Shepard willpower? Since that his strength which is willpower.

Also the games in terms of DLC's well they cant really go back and do DLC's they have to start of from where ME3 (the current game) ends. Otherwise it will effect any ending so it is possible that this is not the "REAL" ending.

And maybe at the end when he sees harbinger the power of it completely takes him over and its a matter of wills, and that is what we see.

Also another point to mention the Illusive man he also wants to control the reapers and uses that, but we al know he is somehow indoctrinated based on the books/comics, and the eyes. Look at Saren aswell form Mass Effect 1. He also was indoctrinated and sided with the Reapers to benefit it. And it ties in to the Reapers Plans.

I support the indoctrination theory as it is plausible. And if you look starting from Mass Effect 2 right until ME3 you can find it. Arrival, Saren, Illusive man, anyone in contact with reaper things get somehow indoctrinated or slowly indoctrinated. It allows you to feel what you doing is right. And it also for Bioware and EA opens doors to DLC's and for a Mass Effect 4. which will be like a spin off to this trilogy of Shepard's.

Also Bioware planned it. At the end the boy says to the grandpa "When can I go to the stars". They also not on Earth by the way.(the moons) and "what will I find". He responds wherever your imagination takes you.

Now look at it as if he is telling us that.

[Tiax Rules All]

Rhaigun wrote...

 Thank you, Tiax Rules All. This is exactly waht I needed. The ending is infinitely more enjoyable.

glad to help, this is what im here for truley. I want others to feel good about the ending too. like i do, didnt always.. but now i do.

[comrade gando]

I support OP, shepard is becoming indoctrinated, the final battle vs harbinger will be a battle of wills. Only a matter of time before shepard starts looking like this near the end
http://browse.devian...d shep#/d4mrfms

Harbinger reminds me of like a cyber cthulu, he already looks like a squid xD

Modifié par comrade gando, 14 mars 2012 - 01:52 .