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[Zyrious]

Again incase anyone missed it, it has been confirmed that the above picture was faked. Considering its source was 4chan, i hope we are not surprised. Confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/yfTgk.jpg

[Arokel]

Why did you resurrect this?

WHY!

[Tiax Rules All]

Zyrious wrote...

Again incase anyone missed it, it has been confirmed that the above picture was faked. Considering its source was 4chan, i hope we are not surprised. Confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/yfTgk.jpg

that shows it on a dudes desktop. how does that mean its a fake?
and 4chan only deals in fake material?

i guess ill refrain from saying its confirmed real but its certainly not confirmed fake either

[JasonTan87]

So that Tiax has something to do.

[Egonne]

LDStaredown wrote...

Shepard has been in contact with Reaper artifacts and even real Reapers more than anyone over the series. Add the fact that he just got hit with the beam of the largest and most powerful Reaper, his mind should be severly weakened. And this isn't the full indoctrination; think of the final scene with the Catalyst as the moment that pushes Shepard over the edge - a point of no return. His mind will not be able to seperate real and fake, thus being on the path to becoming fully indoctrinated. Choosing the Red option, the one that his mind still fighting the indoctrination percieves to label as the choice Anderson would make, breaks Harbinger's hold of Shepard and he wakes up. 
  Why whouldn't the most advanced species in the galaxy be able to detect live signs in individuals? I'm thinking this could be a useful ability when, you know, they are harvesting all organic live and need to search for survivors. Try seeing it from the Reapers' point of view: is Shepard more valuable dead, or as a loyal servant?
 To answer you final point: Remember they did have a ****load of troops guarding the beam beforehand. Sending their largest and most powerful Reaper would probably seem like enough of a backup. It's not like they haven't underestimated Shepard before. Regarding simply shutting off the beam: I'm not sure, but maybe keeping it up for sending more bodies is worth the risk of a platoon of marines blasting through their heavy defences. I don't know.
Keep'em coming;)
 

I agree with you entirely.  The Reapers don't think they can lose.  From their perspective they aren't trying to STOP the universe from defeating them; they are making their 'galactic harvest' as efficient as possible.

The reapers aren't thinking 'Kill Shepard or he'll beat us'.  They are thinking 'Our victory is assured and indoctrinating Shepard may shave a few decades off the process'.  This may actually explain the Illusive Man's obsession with keeping Shepard alive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Harbinger came back, not to protect the Citadel, but to get another shot at indoctrinating Shepard.  My guess is the Reapers probably don't even fear the Crucible.  They simply are unable to imagine a scenario in which these lowly 'organics' could possibly defeat them.

I think that both the moving of the Citadel and the attack on Sanctuary are done as a matter of efficiency not fear.

[Tiax Rules All]

JasonTan87 wrote...


It's fake. Read the entire thread.

which one. i see lots of threads, many saying its real but none proving its fake. other then it had been posted on 4chan

[Zyrious]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Again incase anyone missed it, it has been confirmed that the above picture was faked. Considering its source was 4chan, i hope we are not surprised. Confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/yfTgk.jpg

that shows it on a dudes desktop. how does that mean its a fake?
and 4chan only deals in fake material?

i guess ill refrain from saying its confirmed real but its certainly not confirmed fake either

Look again, several people on these very forums have opened up the model themselves, the "Harbinger" was photoshopped into the original pic, it is not actually in the object name. It was faked. Do you need 30 people to take pictures of their desktop with the model viewer open to prove it to you?

THe new pictures show the actual file and it DOESNT have "harbinger" in it. Look. http://i.imgur.com/yfTgk.jpg

Modifié par Zyrious, 15 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[JasonTan87]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Again incase anyone missed it, it has been confirmed that the above picture was faked. Considering its source was 4chan, i hope we are not surprised. Confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/yfTgk.jpg

that shows it on a dudes desktop. how does that mean its a fake?
and 4chan only deals in fake material?

i guess ill refrain from saying its confirmed real but its certainly not confirmed fake either

Our desperation is making us a perfect target for trolls.

This is the actual model.

http://imgur.com/So73t 

[PaladinMesser]

I got Shep breath ending too. I came to the same conclusions as you about it being an indocternation attempt but that still doesn't make it good. IF the theroy is correct (which we have no way of confirming at this time) we still don't know what happens. If Shep was laying on the ground dreaming all this up, it means the Citadel is still closed, the battle is still raging (which we seemed to be losing) and TIM is still around somewhere. So what happens? Shep wakes up and rallys the troops and opens the Citadel and kills the Reapers? If Stargazer is supposed to show that we ultimatly won why didn't we get get to play/see it? Why does it appear that Stargazer is on the random planet the Normandy crashed on if the Normandy crash was part of the dream? I don't want it to be "lost to the ages" I was there I wanted to be part of it. Where is the closure?
As for a possible DLC in which we pick up after The Breath, it should have been in the game we paid for a complete game. Not 90% of a game to have to pay another $10 to finsih it. That's unehical and a rip off. The ending as it stands now is mediocre at best. It's not deep and philosophical. It's lazy and uninspiring.

Then there are issues with what happens before we even get to the point where Harbinger comes down and shoots lasers at us. What was the point of getting past 4k EMS? Or the effects of the moral choices we made in any of the 3 games?We do not see any of this when it matters, at the endgame, after we "...unite the ultimate force to take back the Earth...". The marketing/devolpers hyped it to be climatic battle, a culmination of all out efforts to unite the galaxy.When we got to earth we are shown a cut scene were all our forces arrive but wait something is missing...
Where are the Rachni I saved twice, sacrificing Grunt's team for? Where are Aria's mercenaries, the Krogians riding Kaliosaurs, the Geth Prime units and Geth ground units for that matter, the surviving Batarians i got to join my cause, the medi gel upgrades I found, Asaris with the bio-amps I got them, the various spec ops teams
and elite units from the different races I saved/recruited, the Citadel militia I got started, the Elcor heavy units I saved, Jack's students' I saved, and the other war assists I acquired? They could/should have included short cut scenes to reward you for doing the side missions and collecting so made assets. But they didn't.

The collected assets don't show up and don't effect the battle in any perceivable form. Just numbers on a screen on the Normandy. There are also no upgrades you can make to the Normandy that have an effect like in ME2, except for the GX12 thermal pipes that never come into play. Then when you get to the battle itself, its just like any other mission in the game. No ME2 sucicide mission style choices to send various squadmates to perform distinctive assignments. No in battle events that you can change the outcome of; such as rescuing/sacrificing a
pinned down company, helping a squad in a push, causing a diversion to allow another team to take down a Reaper. Nothing. Its boring and uninspiring. There is no sense of urgency, awe, epicness, or grandeur.

It'sjust you running through the streets fighting the same enemies you've been fighting the entire game, then you stop and wait for Reaper to get closer, fire the missiles and continue on after. No boss fight, Harby comes down to stop you but he might as well just be any other Reaper for all he does which is, shoot red lasers at you, and that's been happening to you all game. What about the plot hole concerning the gravbeam/teleporter/space elevator? When they realized that was your objective, why didn't they turn it off? For that mater why didn't they turn it off when the attack began? It doesn't make much tactical sense to leave the only way to to closed Citadel on/open. They are not actively using it for harvesting while you're on the way to it. There is no feeling of wonder or finality during the battle. I could over look these if they were the only problems with the endings but their not.

It's supposed to be your story, your experience, your epic chronicle, a unique saga in which you chose what happens, you are composing the narrative as you play. We were supposed to have multiple possible endings depending on how we chose to play our our grandiose personal adventure. The game was marketed around this fact. Quotes from the game descriptions on Amazon.com

"You will face moral dilemmas in which the decision you ultimately make will significantly alter the fate of civilized life in the galaxy"  "you are in complete control over yourexperience" -ME1

"Develop relationships with, which again, will alter the outcome of the story" -ME2

" Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endingsdetermined by your choices and actions throughout the game"  "Mass Effect 3 will react to each decision you make as you play through a truly unique
experience of your own creation."  "You determine how events will play out"  "Customize your Commander Shepard"  "...you are the only one who can stop them"-ME3.

That is why it is different from books, movies, and music. Those are creations of the authors/directors/musicians, this was supposed to be ours! We are left with a complicated, obscure, unsatisfying, vague, and inadequate ending.

Everything you do is supposed to effect the ending, giving you a "...truly unique experience of your own creation." . That's what we were promised. It is not true, They failed to deliver it. They sold us an incomplete product.  It's not a
book or movie, they stole our ending.

That is why I didn't like it. That's why I'm angry about it. Not because I didn't "get" it. Don't you "get" why we are upset and unappeased?

Modifié par PaladinMesser, 15 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Arokel wrote...

Why did you resurrect this?

WHY!

why did you click and post here?

WHY!

[Rawgrim]

Egonne wrote...

LDStaredown wrote...

Shepard has been in contact with Reaper artifacts and even real Reapers more than anyone over the series. Add the fact that he just got hit with the beam of the largest and most powerful Reaper, his mind should be severly weakened. And this isn't the full indoctrination; think of the final scene with the Catalyst as the moment that pushes Shepard over the edge - a point of no return. His mind will not be able to seperate real and fake, thus being on the path to becoming fully indoctrinated. Choosing the Red option, the one that his mind still fighting the indoctrination percieves to label as the choice Anderson would make, breaks Harbinger's hold of Shepard and he wakes up. 
  Why whouldn't the most advanced species in the galaxy be able to detect live signs in individuals? I'm thinking this could be a useful ability when, you know, they are harvesting all organic live and need to search for survivors. Try seeing it from the Reapers' point of view: is Shepard more valuable dead, or as a loyal servant?
 To answer you final point: Remember they did have a ****load of troops guarding the beam beforehand. Sending their largest and most powerful Reaper would probably seem like enough of a backup. It's not like they haven't underestimated Shepard before. Regarding simply shutting off the beam: I'm not sure, but maybe keeping it up for sending more bodies is worth the risk of a platoon of marines blasting through their heavy defences. I don't know.
Keep'em coming;)
 

I agree with you entirely.  The Reapers don't think they can lose.  From their perspective they aren't trying to STOP the universe from defeating them; they are making their 'galactic harvest' as efficient as possible.

The reapers aren't thinking 'Kill Shepard or he'll beat us'.  They are thinking 'Our victory is assured and indoctrinating Shepard may shave a few decades off the process'.  This may actually explain the Illusive Man's obsession with keeping Shepard alive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Harbinger came back, not to protect the Citadel, but to get another shot at indoctrinating Shepard.  My guess is the Reapers probably don't even fear the Crucible.  They simply are unable to imagine a scenario in which these lowly 'organics' could possibly defeat them.

I think that both the moving of the Citadel and the attack on Sanctuary are done as a matter of efficiency not fear.

Very well said. Harbinger constantly says "why do you resist?". It asks Shep that simply because it can` t fathom the point of resistance.

[JasonTan87]

 

Zyrious wrote...

Look again, several people on these very forums have opened up the model themselves, the "Harbinger" was photoshopped into the original pic, it is not actually in the object name. It was faked. Do you need 30 people to take pictures of their desktop with the model viewer open to prove it to you? 

Tiax somehow reminds me of TIM in his final moments.

Modifié par JasonTan87, 15 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[turian_rage]

I really hope this Harbinger-child model is genuine and we can get confirmation. If this really is the ending, and Shepard is indoctrinated, then the only thing left is for BioWare to officially close out the story themselves in the way they had always intended. But the question still remains: why? Why go through all of the trouble to hide the truth when presenting it outright would have been INFINITELY better.

[Rawgrim]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax somehow reminds me of TIM in his final moments.

Personal attacks. How mature.

[Rawgrim]

turian_rage wrote...

I really hope this Harbinger-child model is genuine and we can get confirmation. If this really is the ending, and Shepard is indoctrinated, then the only thing left is for BioWare to officially close out the story themselves in the way they had always intended. But the question still remains: why? Why go through all of the trouble to hide the truth when presenting it outright would have been INFINITELY better.

Remember: If the indoctrination theory is true. the Illusive Man (and Anderson possibly) is still alive. He also still has reaper technology.

[JasonTan87]

Rawgrim wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax somehow reminds me of TIM in his final moments.

Personal attacks. How mature.

A personal attack would be way more vicious than this.

I could be saying he is really intelligent. Or I may may not.

[Tiax Rules All]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax somehow reminds me of TIM in his final moments.

Personal attacks. How mature.

A personal attack would be way more vicious than this.

I could be saying he is really intelligent. Or I may may not.

look i know you dont agree with me. but instead of using the game to help show me whatever your idea of the ending is you are just a negative troller saying "no your wrong no your dumb"

ill debate if thats what you want. im not gonna get trolled though

[Rawgrim]

Disprove Tiax, and the rest, with facts from the game. Facts that utterly destroys the indoctrination theory. Best way to do it. allthough I don`t think it can be done.

[GreenDragon37]

Smiley556 wrote...

Also, Tiax, I posted a similer thread yesterday. I understood the ending for what it is from the first go. It was only after I heard about people raging at the bad ending I was totally confused as wonder how they played the ending already when it wasnt out yet. I came to these forums and saw the immense rage. I tried to explain how I saw the ending but most people just responded with calling me smug cos implying others didnt understand the ending was implying I somehow felt better than them. Its really frustrating, but you are right, and you are not alone. Many people experienced the game the same way we did, we just dont hear them raging as we are patiently waiting for the end to be released.

So you support people paying for an ending we should have gotten from thr start when we payed 60 or 80 dollars for a full game? You're either delusional or blinded by fanboyism by EAWare. This is just sad, that people think it's alright for BioWare to make people wait and pay for the real ending(s) and think it's "clever"... so freaking sad.

[Rawgrim]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Also, Tiax, I posted a similer thread yesterday. I understood the ending for what it is from the first go. It was only after I heard about people raging at the bad ending I was totally confused as wonder how they played the ending already when it wasnt out yet. I came to these forums and saw the immense rage. I tried to explain how I saw the ending but most people just responded with calling me smug cos implying others didnt understand the ending was implying I somehow felt better than them. Its really frustrating, but you are right, and you are not alone. Many people experienced the game the same way we did, we just dont hear them raging as we are patiently waiting for the end to be released.

So you support people paying for an ending we should have gotten from thr start when we payed 60 or 80 dollars for a full game? You're either delusional or blinded by fanboyism by EAWare. This is just sad, that people think it's alright for BioWare to make people wait and pay for the real ending(s) and think it's "clever"... so freaking sad.

You could arguably say that about every movie or game you don`t like the ending of. Truth be told.

[topher_sherman2283]

I agree with everything you said up until the point you think there will be a DLC that starts off with that one breath we see. It does not make sense, they would not make a DLC specifically for people that have researched the fact that you have to pick the destroy option. Everyone that picked the other 2 options would be left out. I think it the ending we got is the real ending, and I think everything you said about it could be true. I just don't see a DLC solely based on the fact that you picked that one option at the end

[Tiax Rules All]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Also, Tiax, I posted a similer thread yesterday. I understood the ending for what it is from the first go. It was only after I heard about people raging at the bad ending I was totally confused as wonder how they played the ending already when it wasnt out yet. I came to these forums and saw the immense rage. I tried to explain how I saw the ending but most people just responded with calling me smug cos implying others didnt understand the ending was implying I somehow felt better than them. Its really frustrating, but you are right, and you are not alone. Many people experienced the game the same way we did, we just dont hear them raging as we are patiently waiting for the end to be released.

So you support people paying for an ending we should have gotten from thr start when we payed 60 or 80 dollars for a full game? You're either delusional or blinded by fanboyism by EAWare. This is just sad, that people think it's alright for BioWare to make people wait and pay for the real ending(s) and think it's "clever"... so freaking sad.

dont rage at me or smiley556 (nicest person here)

we did not make the ending. just trying to explain it.

its "clever" to EA's wallets
its "sad" for our wallets
but that has nothing to do with indoctrination theory

[Tiax Rules All]

topher_sherman2283 wrote...

I agree with everything you said up until the point you think there will be a DLC that starts off with that one breath we see. It does not make sense, they would not make a DLC specifically for people that have researched the fact that you have to pick the destroy option. Everyone that picked the other 2 options would be left out. I think it the ending we got is the real ending, and I think everything you said about it could be true. I just don't see a DLC solely based on the fact that you picked that one option at the end

i said that earlier but there is no reason why shep cant be indoctrinated at the begging of the DLC for those who chose it and he will have to fight again before the rest of the DLC takes place.

also the ending is left as vague as possible to allow even more leeway for multiple begginigs in the DLC

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[JesseLee202]

Its really sad that people resort to personal attacks. If you don't like the theory, explain why!

[topher_sherman2283]

Tiax Rules All, I agree, sorry its hard to read 40 pages of responses, I still just do not in any way believe "destroy" is the "right" decision, they have always said, there is no right and wrong

Edit - The main reason I say this is all the posts I see that people are going to re-do the end and choose the destroy option, I think you should stick with your original gut option and see how it plays out, Bioware are master story tellers, just because you chose another option and didn't see someone (most likely shep I give you that but no one knows for sure)  take a breath meant you were wrong, see how it plays out first, like I said, they always say, you cannot be wrong

Modifié par topher_sherman2283, 15 mars 2012 - 03:36 .