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[ForceXev]

Well, ****.

I chose the Synthesis ending, and I was actually quite pleased with it. If you had also encouraged Joker and EDI to have a relationship together, the ending is kinda poignant as they step out of the ship together as a couple -- one former synthetic, one former organic -- into a world where synthetic and organic life has been merged. A little corny, but a reasonably decent end to the story.

But if the OP is correct, it means I have been duped. The OP seems to thing I should be happy about being duped, but I am not. If he's right, I'm going to have to buy DLC to get the "real" ending of the game. It's just like From Ashes -- they haven't given us the full game. They gave us a game that leads up to a faux ending, and now we have to pay out more for the rest of the ending and the real conclusion of the story. They're probably going to drag this story out now bit by bit one $20 DLC after another, until we're bled dry.

[Piarath]

Does anyone bother to read why people have stated they don't like the endings before posting these things? People got it fine. They WEREN'T HAPPY with it. Not from a lack of understanding, but a lack of closure and a feeling of uselessness. Even if it was all 'just a dream', we paid for a game and didn't get the whole thing? That's still majorly poor.

But at least let me take a moment, OP, to thank you for being reasonable and respectful, and at addressing people with concerns politely and with good intention. It's ten thousand times better than all those who just mock the people who 'didn't get it' and I appreciate the effort. Thank you.

And assuming that the people who go to the polls are bias and thus misrepresent the majority is factually untrue. It's a logical fallacy to assume that the unspoken there agree one way or another; I can't say that the millions of people who bought ME3 are unhappy with the endings, I'd be wrong. Just as you'd be wrong to assume they ARE happy with the endings. This is the point of a poll. Those willing to make their voice heard WILL do it, and assuming that a poll is going one way because the unspoken masses are content with it is wrong. You don't know that for sure, anymore than I know for sure they aren't content; from a logical standpoint, they're a 'no man's land' that can go either way and thusly, don't really count. That's the way polls work. So yes, people can point to the poll for evidence.

Modifié par Piarath, 15 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Tiax Rules All]

jestermarcus wrote...

The only problem with this is, not everyone has XBL or PSN to download the (better be) free finale. It would have to be on the disk, otherwise, lots of players would be SOL.

(playing devils advocate)

who cares, screw those scrubs anyways, if they cant afford internet then they prob cant afford DLC.
 should we not get what money we can from the people who can because of them?

what are they gonna do? boycott me4? there aint one so ****** off

[Tiax Rules All]

ForceXev wrote...

Well, ****.

I chose the Synthesis ending, and I was actually quite pleased with it. If you had also encouraged Joker and EDI to have a relationship together, the ending is kinda poignant as they step out of the ship together as a couple -- one former synthetic, one former organic -- into a world where synthetic and organic life has been merged. A little corny, but a reasonably decent end to the story.

But if the OP is correct, it means I have been duped. The OP seems to thing I should be happy about being duped, but I am not. If he's right, I'm going to have to buy DLC to get the "real" ending of the game. It's just like From Ashes -- they haven't given us the full game. They gave us a game that leads up to a faux ending, and now we have to pay out more for the rest of the ending and the real conclusion of the story. They're probably going to drag this story out now bit by bit one $20 DLC after another, until we're bled dry.

I was duped my first time too, thats just means it worked so good

I tell all my friends that i would be happier if EA/Bioware just grew a real pair and delayed release. Included ALL content, then charged us the 79.99 take it or leave it. (base + Prothy + ending)

Im not happy about dlc

Im happy that the ending didnt dissapoint me cause apparently we havent seen it yet. I will find out.

Its better then accepting something absurd as the face value "ending"

[Jjynn]

to the OP, I'm mildly offended at the idea that we do are asking for new (ie, better) endings don't "get it'. Its not that we don't get it - we get it fine. The endings we have are about Shepard being prepared to the whole distance in her beliefs, to sacrifice everything she (or 'he'... but why~?) has to achieve victory. Shepard doesn't back down, she fights to win and she will no matter what.

We simply don't LIKE the endings. Or more accurately, we HATE them because they seem antithetical to the numerous various of Shepard we have all come to know. Not one player I know of plays a Shepard who would look down at StarKid after his little speech and just go "ah... so those are my choices, huh? All right."

So please don't think because we have a (valid) complaint and make our displeasure known that we for some reason are mad because we are confused. We are mad because we have been made to feel unimportant.

We are not unimportant.

[Tylarien]

Jjynn wrote...

...Not one player I know of plays a Shepard who would look down at StarKid after his little speech and just go "ah... so those are my choices, huh? All right." 

I think that's the point though. No Shepard would consider those options as evenly weighted. I heard the catalyst out, and immediately proceeded with its destruction. It's what I knew I had to do. It's what I've always known. Regardless of what was said, or the consequences, Shepard would destroy the reapers. 

I also dont think the OP is trying to "educate" anyone, or claim people are stupid for seeing it a different way. I appreciated his post, and along with many other posts here, it's helped my understanding of how the game ended for me.   

What stung me as sorely lacking was the condition of my remaining crew - that's where I felt let down.

Modifié par Tylarien, 15 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

First para of the OP.... Where does it say I think people who dont like the ending are dumb.
Tell me where I personally slighted you. Get over yourself.

You can hate whatever version of the ending you want.

No matter what you say, This thread helped people feel better about the ending of thier game. Wanna see my inbox? Dont take your anger out on me.

[Elite Midget]

Belittleing the majority as a bunch of bumbling idiots isn't the way to get your point across. Seriously, have you newbies not learned nothing of the rules of debate? You don't force your opinion as fact, you present your information and debate it if you strongly believe in it. Even than you must still respect the opinions of others, even if you feel they're idiots.

The moment you belittle another, which you did multiple times in your first post, is when the trolling begins and once a troll has cast the first stone your whole arguement is invalidated.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 15 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Jjynn wrote...

to the OP, I'm mildly offended at the idea that we do are asking for new (ie, better) endings don't "get it'. Its not that we don't get it - we get it fine. The endings we have are about Shepard being prepared to the whole distance in her beliefs, to sacrifice everything she (or 'he'... but why~?) has to achieve victory. Shepard doesn't back down, she fights to win and she will no matter what.

We simply don't LIKE the endings. Or more accurately, we HATE them because they seem antithetical to the numerous various of Shepard we have all come to know. Not one player I know of plays a Shepard who would look down at StarKid after his little speech and just go "ah... so those are my choices, huh? All right."

So please don't think because we have a (valid) complaint and make our displeasure known that we for some reason are mad because we are confused. We are mad because we have been made to feel unimportant.

We are not unimportant.

if you believe in the theory that i post in the OP.  the examples of "antietical" things would be smaller or gone completely. You read the thread title and raged on me for nothing.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[DragonRageGT]

I really love what you did in the OP, Tiax and I hope you're 100% right. It would be a masterpiece ending by those trolls at BW! We've been trolled by Bioware!!! haha

PS.: I did see the "best" or "true" ending in my first run, with my imported ME1&2 Shepard and 7001 EMS. It's just there was no way for me to understand it like you explained. Perhaps because so many people who couldn't also understand it have been posting about the endings since the leaked script or assuming lots of things from the files in the pirated version/space edition.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 15 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Tiax Rules All]

no prob at all, DragonRageGT

I think in time all this rage will subside greatly once more official info comes to light and we know the real plans.

[Tiax Rules All]

DragonRageGT wrote...

PS.: I did see the "best" or "true" ending in my first run, with my imported ME1&2 Shepard and 7001 EMS. It's just there was no way for me to understand it like you explained. Perhaps because so many people who couldn't also understand it have been posting about the endings since the leaked script or assuming lots of things from the files in the pirated version/space edition.

im not really following, sorry..

[Chromie]

I don't think the OP understands the ending. Why do I think that? Because he clearly disagrees with my views.

[DragonRageGT]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

PS.: I did see the "best" or "true" ending in my first run, with my imported ME1&2 Shepard and 7001 EMS. It's just there was no way for me to understand it like you explained. Perhaps because so many people who couldn't also understand it have been posting about the endings since the leaked script or assuming lots of things from the files in the pirated version/space edition.

im not really following, sorry..

I meant that just by seeing the endings with the quick breath scene was not enough for me to actually stop and think about what it could mean. I would never have the clarity to see those angles by myself, as you explained them. And indeed it is so clear now. It makes sense. That's the most important thing, I guess.

I also said that having followed some threads with spoilers pre-release of the game may have also conditioned me to see them for their face value. The guy who finished the space edition playthrough and posted about the endings, definitely has not captured those subtleties as well.

But I have friends who haven't been spoiled a bit and they also couldn't see it. But now, after reading the OP, it makes so much sense to me that I am so glad, because the game was a perfect 10/10 to me until the elevator scene at the Citadel. After that it was too surreal for me to make any sense of it. Until now! =)

(PS.: My friends call me just Rage. =)

Skelter192 wrote...

I don't think the OP understands the ending. Why do I think that? Because he clearly disagrees with my views.

Knowing Ringo (Skelter) a little bit as I think I do, I am sure it is safe to say:

It was a joke!

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 15 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[Dec4denc3]

OP, first I want to say that I read the whole thing. the whole thing, and agree 100%.

I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers. They made and ending where you the player play through a real-time indoctrination of not just your character but of the player. They presented the ending in such a way that you had to fight indoctrination right along with Shepard. The game actively tries to fool you and manipulate your decisions away from the "best" and ONLY true ending, this is no typical ending by any shot and they did this KNOWING that their fan base might not understand it and take what they showed us at face value. Those people will never get why their ending doesn't make sense and will be angry unnecessarily. For those like myself though. I feel like it's a twist worthy of the best games/movies out there and that some ambiguity is better than the spelled out epilogue slideshow at the end.

This, exactly this. I picked the synthesis being dazed by everything and still a bit confused about the whole end. Then, when I first heard about the possible DLC, it all clicked into place. I was having big ass-ASMR revelation how it all was just a indoctrination and a dream. The catalyst/stargazer/reaper presence whatever it was... 'dream kid'.. actually manipulated not only my character but me, too, into doing the exact thing I was not supposed to do; letting the reapers win.

I hope what you said is correct and BW will release the free DLC to correct the end. If that happens, I can honestly say that the ME seires has been one of the most immersive RPGs I've played. Sure, other great RPGs have had emotional impacts on me, too, but ME3 really connected me to my character with that 'dream' ending, with the "real world indoctrination", like you put it.

So, once again, assuming this is all true, (and I do believe it is,)
Bravo, BioWare. Bravo.

[KevShep]

Tiax Rules All   I dont think you get it. This "kid" (actual reaper) has been on the citedal from the start. If thats is the case then why did he need the keepers to open the relay in ME1?

Since this "kid" controls the reapers why then did sovereign need to contact the keepers to open the relay if he is controled by catalyst kid?

[Tiax Rules All]

Skelter192 wrote...

I don't think the OP understands the ending. Why do I think that? Because he clearly disagrees with my views.

you also read the thread title and got the wrong vibes. that is ot this thread at all.

[Tylarien]

@KevShep
the kid hasnt been on the citadel though - none of that actually took place anywhere other than Shep's head. That catalyst kid doesnt exist,

Modifié par Tylarien, 15 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Tiax Rules All]

@Rage
simple answer..

we aren't suppsosed to feel SURE of the ending..
we are supposed to be generating buzz on the internet now.

Untill they release the DLC, its supposed to be an epic unveil...

[DragonRageGT]

KevShep wrote...

Tiax Rules All   I dont think you get it. This "kid" (actual reaper) has been on the citedal from the start. If thats is the case then why did he need the keepers to open the relay in ME1?

Since this "kid" controls the reapers why then did sovereign need to contact the keepers to open the relay if he is controled by catalyst kid?

I think you didn't get it. The "kid" is not real. The "kid" is Harbinger!



Couldn't use the original link somehow. This pic is not mine.

[mhendon]

OH MY GOD.  I love you.  It makes perfect sense.  When I read the title of your topic i thought it sounded really pretentious (sorry) but after reading what you had to say, not only does it explain all the weirdness with the whole final Citadel level, but it really does make me appreciate the ending better.  I totally hated it, but after this...if thats the way it really is then the ending is sublime.  However, at some point I think we do need to see the truth and really find out how our decisions and our companions turn out.  Until then, the ending will feel incomplete, imo.

[Tiax Rules All]

KevShep wrote...

Tiax Rules All   I dont think you get it. This "kid" (actual reaper) has been on the citedal from the start. If thats is the case then why did he need the keepers to open the relay in ME1?

Since this "kid" controls the reapers why then did sovereign need to contact the keepers to open the relay if he is controled by catalyst kid?

im sorry but i cant debate that.

the "kid" is never on the citadel, neither is shepard. im not sure where your info is coming from... did you read the OP. I personally feel like its a common courtesy to do some before telling people thier wrong. and if you did.. well read it again. slower...

[111987]

DragonRageGT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Tiax Rules All   I dont think you get it. This "kid" (actual reaper) has been on the citedal from the start. If thats is the case then why did he need the keepers to open the relay in ME1?

Since this "kid" controls the reapers why then did sovereign need to contact the keepers to open the relay if he is controled by catalyst kid?

I think you didn't get it. The "kid" is not real. The "kid" is Harbinger!

*image*
Couldn't use the original link somehow. This pic is not mine.

That image was proven to have been photoshopped, btw.

[KevShep]

DragonRageGT wrote...


I think you didn't get it. The "kid" is not real. The "kid" is Harbinger!

I know that the kid is not real thats why I put it in " " marks. However catalyst IS the citedal and HE has been there from the start.

[Elite Midget]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Tiax Rules All   I dont think you get it. This "kid" (actual reaper) has been on the citedal from the start. If thats is the case then why did he need the keepers to open the relay in ME1?

Since this "kid" controls the reapers why then did sovereign need to contact the keepers to open the relay if he is controled by catalyst kid?

im sorry but i cant debate that.

the "kid" is never on the citadel, neither is shepard. im not sure where your info is coming from... did you read the OP. I personally feel like its a common courtesy to do some before telling people thier wrong. and if you did.. well read it again. slower...

Again you berate others, are you seriously hoping people will just lay down and take abuse and go with youtr line of thinking just like that?