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[Tiax Rules All]

soundhole wrote...

My opinion is that the evidence is lacking.  The only reason anyone here believes it is because they throw around conjecture until it fits in some similiarly shaped peg.  I would love nothing more than to be wrong, but I'm not going to accept blind faith as a reason to doubt what I can see with my own eyes.  

You're right about me being overly agressive.  I'm not really sorry, it's just how I am.  You ever seen Hebrew school?  Or just some old Rabbis going at it?  They don't hold back.  That's who I fit in with, and I'm not even Jewish.  So, I guess what I'm saying is... come to peace with it.  It's not like I'm calling you a f*%ck-head or anything.

All I ask for is evidence.  Present it, let's discuss it.  I apparantly don't "get it", but I'm not buying any of the arguments presented so far.  If Tiax or you can do better, I'd like to read it.

Im literally throwing my arms in the air here. I keep throwing evidence at you and you refuse it. Thats not my problem its yours. Why must I keep proving myself to you. im not sure what your idea of evidence is but mine is all over this thread.

"A conjecture is a proposition that is unproven but is thought to be true and has not been disproven. Karl Popper pioneered the use of the term "conjecture" in scientific philosophy. Conjecture is contrasted by hypothesis (hence theory, axiom, principle), which is a testable statement based on accepted grounds. In mathematics, a conjecture is an unproven proposition or theorem that appears correct."

it has not been proven wrong and is thought to be true.. yes this is conjecture.

what you are doing is denial
Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.[1] The subject may use:

• simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
• minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
• projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility."

[Tiax Rules All]

Fingertrip wrote...

"We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter.". How can this not be any more clear that there's something in store for the ending? It's literally spilled out for you, lol.

But that would mean Im wrong and im a was duped...

NO. rejected

/sarcasm

[Tiax Rules All]

Just recieve this in my inbox from FiachSidhe
sorry for the language its not mine.

1. You're a pretentious ****. Your name is pretentious, your avatar is pretentious, your condescending "I get the ending of ME3, even though it's poorly written schlock for dumb people, and only exists to siphon out more money from your gullible fanboy pocket" thread is...whooo boy, that's pretentious.

2. You're a ****ing clown for thanking them for it.

3. Thanks for being the one dumb**** fanboy, to still stick by Bioware, even while they're jamming both fists up your fat, pretentious ass. There needs to be at least one of you turds, dangling off this forum's ass cheek, to remind us how bad it gets.

4. The Mass Effect 3 ending sucks. Imaginary future content, doesn't make it less ****ty. It just makes the future content better. You know jack-all of good writing, if you think a satisfying ending, and continued plot are mutually exclusive.

5. Congrats on deciphering the blindingly obvious. Everyone gets the ending, you clownshoe! It ain't some big mystery. The ending is deep, to stupid people. People who are mesmerized by The Outer Limits.

6. Defending Bioware's complete rip off of Deus Ex, for a sloppily written cliffhanger at the END of the series, makes you a fanboy ****sucker of the highest order.

wow really? really? somebody tell me how to report this please.

[BoneNinja]

MortalEngines wrote...

I want to know why everyone is so convinced this magical ending DLC is coming? Has anyone ever seen the ending of a game put in as a DLC a few weeks after a game? EVER?

Still catching up from days away from the thread, so sorry if this has been answered. But yes, it was done for Fallout 3 actually.

[Tiax Rules All]

BoneNinja wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

I want to know why everyone is so convinced this magical ending DLC is coming? Has anyone ever seen the ending of a game put in as a DLC a few weeks after a game? EVER?

Still catching up from days away from the thread, so sorry if this has been answered. But yes, it was done for Fallout 3 actually.

yup, its not as crazy as people think.

I get my hints from Bioware devs tweets. They are much less ambigous about DLC then the game itself and are giving us the biggest hints they can at this time. Eventually the full statement will come but now is not that time yet. 

[Mathias]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Just recieve this in my inbox from FiachSidhe
sorry for the language its not mine.

1. You're a pretentious ****. Your name is pretentious, your avatar is pretentious, your condescending "I get the ending of ME3, even though it's poorly written schlock for dumb people, and only exists to siphon out more money from your gullible fanboy pocket" thread is...whooo boy, that's pretentious.

2. You're a ****ing clown for thanking them for it.

3. Thanks for being the one dumb**** fanboy, to still stick by Bioware, even while they're jamming both fists up your fat, pretentious ass. There needs to be at least one of you turds, dangling off this forum's ass cheek, to remind us how bad it gets.

4. The Mass Effect 3 ending sucks. Imaginary future content, doesn't make it less ****ty. It just makes the future content better. You know jack-all of good writing, if you think a satisfying ending, and continued plot are mutually exclusive.

5. Congrats on deciphering the blindingly obvious. Everyone gets the ending, you clownshoe! It ain't some big mystery. The ending is deep, to stupid people. People who are mesmerized by The Outer Limits.

6. Defending Bioware's complete rip off of Deus Ex, for a sloppily written cliffhanger at the END of the series, makes you a fanboy ****sucker of the highest order.

wow really? really? somebody tell me how to report this please.

Or how about you just take an insult like a man. If the person continuously harresses you through your mailbox, then I see a reason for reporting.

[Tiax Rules All]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Or how about you just take an insult like a man. If the person continuously harresses you through your mailbox, then I see a reason for reporting.

lol sure... ill walk it off.

so i can call you anyhting I want just as long as i only do it once? nice point.

[VirtualAlex]

Tiax, you are very right. Great explanations. I just wrote an epic blog post refuting as much garbage as I can. Actually... let me send you a pm.

[kjir]

If any of this is true, I should not have to have gone on the forums for a point-by-point listing of the evidence. This just proves that any points they had could have been far better presented.

[Tiax Rules All]

kjir wrote...

If any of this is true, I should not have to have gone on the forums for a point-by-point listing of the evidence. This just proves that any points they had could have been far better presented.

i wonder if you will still feel that same way after playing the ending DLC, especially if free.

You don't have to answer that, because you cant, yet.

[Tiax Rules All]

its funny that people assume things about my attitude by the way my Avatar looks...

i must be pretentious because my Avatar looks like a ass.

[Mathias]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Or how about you just take an insult like a man. If the person continuously harresses you through your mailbox, then I see a reason for reporting.

lol sure... ill walk it off.

so i can call you anyhting I want just as long as i only do it once? nice point.

Yes as long as you don't spam my mailbox.

[Bravenu3]

@Tiax Rules All: Compelling arguments, thanks!

Modifié par Bravenu3, 15 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[annoyingpoodle]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Just recieve this in my inbox from FiachSidhe
sorry for the language its not mine.

1. You're a pretentious ****. Your name is pretentious, your avatar is pretentious, your condescending "I get the ending of ME3, even though it's poorly written schlock for dumb people, and only exists to siphon out more money from your gullible fanboy pocket" thread is...whooo boy, that's pretentious.

2. You're a ****ing clown for thanking them for it.

3. Thanks for being the one dumb**** fanboy, to still stick by Bioware, even while they're jamming both fists up your fat, pretentious ass. There needs to be at least one of you turds, dangling off this forum's ass cheek, to remind us how bad it gets.

4. The Mass Effect 3 ending sucks. Imaginary future content, doesn't make it less ****ty. It just makes the future content better. You know jack-all of good writing, if you think a satisfying ending, and continued plot are mutually exclusive.

5. Congrats on deciphering the blindingly obvious. Everyone gets the ending, you clownshoe! It ain't some big mystery. The ending is deep, to stupid people. People who are mesmerized by The Outer Limits.

6. Defending Bioware's complete rip off of Deus Ex, for a sloppily written cliffhanger at the END of the series, makes you a fanboy ****sucker of the highest order.

wow really? really? somebody tell me how to report this please.

Someone please tell me thats not a grown man freaking out about a video games ending.

[mcsupersport]

If this is true about your OP then Bioware is one of the biggest doushes in the world, selling an incomplete game that some may not be able to fix because they don't have internet. My thoughts is they will use what you say just because it is a way out for them, and they can then try to look smarter than all the rest instead of just like idiots because their stock ending stank.

[Ludica]

Since the little is there of you never leave your own threads, i'll take it to practice quoting my post.It's really nothing to overthink about. The indoctrination/hallucination theory still doesn't work. While i tried to calm myself down with that, my brain just did not accept the logic errors that continued on even if i accept this theory.

Ludica wrote...

 I'm going to focus on the Catalyst aspect of the ending. It stated two things that it asserted as fundamental recurring laws in ME universe:
1)Organics always create syntetics
2)syntetics always destroy organics

The only race to truly create another syntetic race was Quarians. Were Geth hostile? Did they destroy Quarians during the first war? No.

The only hostile syntetics in the galaxy are:
- Reapers
- Heretic Geth.

Heteric Geth are creations of Reapers. Reapers are creations of Catalyst. There is nothing that supports an idea of "Reapers saving organics from syntetics". In fact, the game is around destroying that idea. The peace with quarians and geth, EDI discovering her humanity, hell, back in ME2. If Catalyst was right, she'd kills us then and there.

So what's the point?

Catalyst forces it entirely by himself, his assertions and ideas are made-up by him, and their background is more fragile than a wet house of cards under carpet bombing. He and the Reapers are the only syntetic problem left. He is a racist hypocrite(in other words - a four-letter word beginning with "N" and ending with "I") whose smug delusions make no sense.

All of this wouldn't have been a problem. Because it makes sense for a villain to be insane and deluded. But the problem is:

You are forced to accept his reasoning. You are forced to accept "Reapers were right". You are not allowed to disagree with what i've just listed.

None of the endings allow you to defeat it's points.

1)Destroy - you destroy all syntetics, not just Reapers. You are forced to accept an idea of all syntetic races being a threat. You are forced to become a racist, something the eternity of ME 1-3 was set up to disprove.

2)Control - you are forced to accept the Reapers are necessary just in case Catalyst was right. You are once again accepting it's racist viewpoints.

3)Synthesis - this one is a little less obvious. But this is what you truly do - you transform everyone into Reapers. Here, you accept that the organics and syntetics can't coexist together, so the problem must be resolved by rewriting their DNA. It's like painting all black and white people with gray paint and excpecting it to solve anything. Once again, incredibly racist.

So in all 3 endings, you are forced to become a racist. I'm gonna ask people who defend this ending on BSN(despite how few of them there are)... do you feel happy? Do you feel heroic?

I don't. I feel like Bioware took advice from that customs turian from ME2.

So if i am to assume indoctrination/hallucination is right, then Shepard is racist, regardless of your Paragon/Renegade scores, decisions, and claims, and can only get out from the "Reaper trap" by accepting all Geth-robots-computers are evil and the Reapers are right. So i come out of that rubble as a complete insane monster willing to commit genocide.

Of course in all reality, this is just pretentious bad writing trying to sound as wisdom. 

inb4 tl;dr

[DiegoProgMetal]

The question is, the script was leaked in november. At that point, the game was probably 95% done. They didn't have time to make something different, so they released the game almost as it was, and decided to release the "real" ending later. One could say: "Oh, they could just push the release date for 6 or more months." And I say: "No, they couldn't." EA is a big company, they have to sign contracts with lots of other companies, Microsoft and Sony being just 2 of them. And there is a huge infrastructure in releasing the game around the world. You can't just wake up one day and tell every single company you signed contracts, that you decided to postpone it.
I still think those endings are bad, but I would do the exact same thing if I were on EA/Bioware shoes. The only question that may ruin everything: "Will the real ending be paid or free?". I think it'll be paid. If it's free, nice.
And, as I said before several times, if these are the "real" endings, no more EA games for me.

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

Since the little is there of you never leave your own threads, i'll take it to practice quoting my post.It's really nothing to overthink about. The indoctrination/hallucination theory still doesn't work. While i tried to calm myself down with that, my brain just did not accept the logic errors that continued on even if i accept this theory.

Ludica wrote...

 I'm going to focus on the Catalyst aspect of the ending. It stated two things that it asserted as fundamental recurring laws in ME universe:
1)Organics always create syntetics
2)syntetics always destroy organics

The only race to truly create another syntetic race was Quarians. Were Geth hostile? Did they destroy Quarians during the first war? No.

The only hostile syntetics in the galaxy are:
- Reapers
- Heretic Geth.

Heteric Geth are creations of Reapers. Reapers are creations of Catalyst. There is nothing that supports an idea of "Reapers saving organics from syntetics". In fact, the game is around destroying that idea. The peace with quarians and geth, EDI discovering her humanity, hell, back in ME2. If Catalyst was right, she'd kills us then and there.

So what's the point?

Catalyst forces it entirely by himself, his assertions and ideas are made-up by him, and their background is more fragile than a wet house of cards under carpet bombing. He and the Reapers are the only syntetic problem left. He is a racist hypocrite(in other words - a four-letter word beginning with "N" and ending with "I") whose smug delusions make no sense.

All of this wouldn't have been a problem. Because it makes sense for a villain to be insane and deluded. But the problem is:

You are forced to accept his reasoning. You are forced to accept "Reapers were right". You are not allowed to disagree with what i've just listed.

None of the endings allow you to defeat it's points.

1)Destroy - you destroy all syntetics, not just Reapers. You are forced to accept an idea of all syntetic races being a threat. You are forced to become a racist, something the eternity of ME 1-3 was set up to disprove.

2)Control - you are forced to accept the Reapers are necessary just in case Catalyst was right. You are once again accepting it's racist viewpoints.

3)Synthesis - this one is a little less obvious. But this is what you truly do - you transform everyone into Reapers. Here, you accept that the organics and syntetics can't coexist together, so the problem must be resolved by rewriting their DNA. It's like painting all black and white people with gray paint and excpecting it to solve anything. Once again, incredibly racist.

So in all 3 endings, you are forced to become a racist. I'm gonna ask people who defend this ending on BSN(despite how few of them there are)... do you feel happy? Do you feel heroic?

I don't. I feel like Bioware took advice from that customs turian from ME2.

So if i am to assume indoctrination/hallucination is right, then Shepard is racist, regardless of your Paragon/Renegade scores, decisions, and claims, and can only get out from the "Reaper trap" by accepting all Geth-robots-computers are evil and the Reapers are right. So i come out of that rubble as a complete insane monster willing to commit genocide.

Of course in all reality, this is just pretentious bad writing trying to sound as wisdom. 

inb4 tl;dr

A racist? lol. His job is to destroy the reapers at ANY cost the other two options are epic fails, decisions matter more at the end of ME3 then any other game I've played, if you dont pick "destroy" then you lose the game.

[Ludica]

A first tl;dr reader wrote...
A racist? lol. His job is to destroy the reapers at ANY cost the other two options are epic fails, decisions matter more at the end of ME3 then any other game I've played, if you dont pick "destroy" then you lose the game.

rofl talk about contradicting yourself. 

[Tiax Rules All]

mcsupersport wrote...

If this is true about your OP then Bioware is one of the biggest doushes in the world, selling an incomplete game that some may not be able to fix because they don't have internet. My thoughts is they will use what you say just because it is a way out for them, and they can then try to look smarter than all the rest instead of just like idiots because their stock ending stank.

they would NEVER EVER EVER EVER take my side to cover a bad ending because "it fits" thats absurd, they could think of better excuses anyways. They are going to throw their writers under the bus to lie and take my side cause it MIGHT make some people happy? Just no.

incomplete game? wether i agree with you or not, Bioware will win this arguement.

they will say, "you have an ending, the game is complete, this is just a bonus ending, its more but not required"
you cant prove that statement wrong...

just like "day one DLC is not needed, its just bonus the base game is complete"

any DLC that comes out for ME3 is still techniacally Me3, so they can end the story with dlc and still not be lying about "ME3 is the end of the series"
 

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

A first tl;dr reader wrote...
A racist? lol. His job is to destroy the reapers at ANY cost the other two options are epic fails, decisions matter more at the end of ME3 then any other game I've played, if you dont pick "destroy" then you lose the game.

rofl talk about contradicting yourself. 

Exactly you have 3 decisions and only one results in you winning the game if they all resulted in you beating the game then they wouldn't matter.

EDIT: In ME1 you could beat the game regardless of what choices you made no choice could result in you not saving the citedal. In ME2 no decision could stop you from killing the collectors ( you could die but you would still have won)

Modifié par annoyingpoodle, 15 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[kipac]

Regardless of movie, game, or novel, the ending that I despise so much is the ambiguous ending without solid explanation that gives people "figure out yourselves! There's no true ending, everyone can think and decide their own ending!" bullcrap. Then the writers will be like "omg! Believe me, I wrote this story, but I thInk it's sooo perfect!!"
I've already lost count how many of them are ended that way, but ME3 surely got on that list...

[Ludica]

Exactly you have 3 decisions and only one results in you winning the game if they all resulted in you beating the game then they wouldn't matter.

Nope. If past decisions of prior games and this game resulted in you winning/losing the game, then it would have mattered. Here, you only have 3 decisions that actually matter(since you have to grind multiplayer to get 4000 EMS anyway):
1)Accept the Reapers are right
2)Accept the Reapers are right

3)Accept the Reapers are right(and survive?)


Remember that little decision by the end of ME2? What did it say? Ah yes, "we will fight and win without it. I won't let fear compromise who i am."

You did. Congratulations?

Modifié par Ludica, 15 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[SonosI]

I enjoyed ME3's ending, suppose i'm the only one.....

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

A first tl;dr reader wrote...
A racist? lol. His job is to destroy the reapers at ANY cost the other two options are epic fails, decisions matter more at the end of ME3 then any other game I've played, if you dont pick "destroy" then you lose the game.

rofl talk about contradicting yourself. 

you are wrong and i will tell you why if you will hear me.

You are assuming that what boy-binger tells you about the choices is real at all.
hes making you not want to pick that choice, lying to you, hes says you are partly sythetic and may not survive it but it is in fact the only ending that actually shows you survivng at the end. thus lies

do you ever see EDI dying? do you see geth vaporised? no becasue all the ending we saw had nothign to with ANY of that and EVERYTHING to do with one simple choice broken down to this:

Destroy (resist) = you win you wake up, you beat indoctrination
Control, synth (give in) = you let the reapers manipulate you, you chose to comprimise, you are indoctrinated, you dont get to see the wake up at the end

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 01:44 .