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[Ludica]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Right so you would have lost the fight to the indoctrination because your showing that your not willing to even sacrafice yourself to kill the reapers. Your not willing to do what it takes to destroy them so they win your shepard = saren

So because i'm not a Renegade i'm Saren? Weird logic. I know Renegades are bitter for games putting lots of their choices under "pretty much wrong" section, but come on.
I'm willing to not comply with the idiot kid's logic and not to submit to it's options. You are submitting to it's bullcrap options. So... who's Saren here?

[vigna]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

So you would choose to turn everyone into  husks? or you would be willing become part of the reapers? or you would destroy the reapers even if it ment making sacrifices? The reapers are trying to test shepards ability to resist them by choosing any option but destroy you are basically saying that your not willing to do what it takes to destroy them.

Like i said, what i would have done is as follows: show my middle finger to the Catalyst and walk away.

Right so you would have lost the fight to the indoctrination because your showing that your not willing to even sacrafice yourself to kill the reapers. Your not willing to do what it takes to destroy them so they win your shepard = saren

saren at least kills himself to help  the Alliance.

[JasonTan87]

evisneffo wrote...

So Tiax, if your theory is correct - and I don't fault your defence - this game I have is a conclusion to the saga without a conclusion. The question of future DLC is irrelevant: the game, advertised and sold as an ending, is incomplete. Pardon me if I say this doesn't make me feel any better.

I've been trying to tell him this for the last day or so, but I didn't get anywhere and so I gave up.

And here comes the line again: Hallucination / Indoctrination theory is not an excuse for bad writing. 

Modifié par JasonTan87, 15 mars 2012 - 02:07 .

[Talnoy2690]

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

If this is true, it's like selling Mass Effect 2 and then telling everyone they'll have to buy the actual Collector Base mission as DLC.

This.

[annoyingpoodle]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

evisneffo wrote...

So Tiax, if your theory is correct - and I don't fault your defence - this game I have is a conclusion to the saga without a conclusion. The question of future DLC is irrelevant: the game, advertised and sold as an ending, is incomplete. Pardon me if I say this doesn't make me feel any better.

it has and ending, a twist ending that leads into further content but an ending.

Thats what Bioware will tell you, anyways if i buy ME3 and they realease ME3.1 to me for free.. then who cares they are giving you and ending just a tad later at no extra cost, why you mad?

lol I agree that I would like to see more but that fact that you seem to think it will be free is kind of funny.

[Tiax Rules All]

RaynerJA wrote...

This is the indoctrinated effect, those people will never change their mind unless near death.
If, if all this comes true those people raging will stop and "ohhhh i was cheated, lets go to the forums and rage about it too". I cant w8 to see the result.

it will go from "the ending sucked" to "waaah, Bioware made me look stupid, they should feel bad"

[Tiax Rules All]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

evisneffo wrote...

So Tiax, if your theory is correct - and I don't fault your defence - this game I have is a conclusion to the saga without a conclusion. The question of future DLC is irrelevant: the game, advertised and sold as an ending, is incomplete. Pardon me if I say this doesn't make me feel any better.

it has and ending, a twist ending that leads into further content but an ending.

Thats what Bioware will tell you, anyways if i buy ME3 and they realease ME3.1 to me for free.. then who cares they are giving you and ending just a tad later at no extra cost, why you mad?

lol I agree that I would like to see more but that fact that you seem to think it will be free is kind of funny.

i have heard conjecture as to free but none as to a price other then free. no proof but if the arguement has one side...?

If all this rage does anything at all to effect Bioware's plan it would be to release the dlc as free even if they originally wanted to charge.

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

what you dont get is destroy is not about anything boy tells you. none of it, not about the geth, not about reapers, not about you. you dont actully walk over to the right side, you arent actually fitring bullets, there is no explosion, there is no ending. shep is still on earth in London.

the destroy option IS the f-you boy-binger option. ITS EXACTLY THAT. has NOTHING to do with the war AT ALL and everything to do with a mental battle with the reapers. MENTAL. you choosing destroy is you fighting temptation to deal with the reapers. Control = deal= indoc     synth=deal=indoc    destroy=resist=wake up... i cant describe this any clearer.

Geth have nothing to do with this and the racist comment is totaly incorrect applied to either characers

Alright, i'll repeat your own points for further understanding:
There is no explosion.
There is no ending.
The Crucible does not fire they way you chose it to.

But there is still a decision. A decision to destroy a peaceful allied race simply because the Reaper leader says you must. Even if the whole scene is false you still take that decision in your mind. A decision that's implied to be right and leading to Shepard's break of indoctrination. Which is bull. I can't describe this any clearer.
d

[JasonTan87]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RaynerJA wrote...

This is the indoctrinated effect, those people will never change their mind unless near death.
If, if all this comes true those people raging will stop and "ohhhh i was cheated, lets go to the forums and rage about it too". I cant w8 to see the result.

it will go from "the ending sucked" to "waaah, Bioware made me look stupid, they should feel bad"

And what if it doesn't come true?

[Tiax Rules All]

Talnoy2690 wrote...

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

If this is true, it's like selling Mass Effect 2 and then telling everyone they'll have to buy the actual Collector Base mission as DLC.

This.

the collector base was not the end of the story.. why didnt you rage about that? because they came out with more..
Me3 was not the end of the story? why are we raging about this when there will be more.

[Tiax Rules All]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RaynerJA wrote...

This is the indoctrinated effect, those people will never change their mind unless near death.
If, if all this comes true those people raging will stop and "ohhhh i was cheated, lets go to the forums and rage about it too". I cant w8 to see the result.

it will go from "the ending sucked" to "waaah, Bioware made me look stupid, they should feel bad"

And what if it doesn't come true?

Biowares own suggestions say otherwise but if not i will send you a nice PM telling you how sorry I am.

[UKJackMan]

So the Illusive mans death was part of the hallucination. I remember watching the voice cast video prior to release Martin Sheen said Stay tuned I'm not done yet then chuckles, I remember thinking Is he talking about whats going to happen in ME3 or is he dropping a hint for after ME3, this has played on my mind...

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Occam's Razor: If Shepard was indoctrinated after getting beamed, the Reapers would just have her lay there. Hammer failed. The organics =lost=. Why go through all the giggly junk with the kid and Anderson and TIM? There is no reason for it. Simplest action for an indoctrinate Shepard is to have her lay there and bleed out.

If Shepard resisted, then the Reapers are never destroyed, the scenes on the Citadel never happened, and the story of Shepard Versus The Reapers is left unfinished. Consider that BioWare has said ME3 will end Shepard's story. Ipso facto, every thing on the Citadel happened.

Shepard's story is over. From the current evidence, Hallucination Theory officially busted.

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

what you dont get is destroy is not about anything boy tells you. none of it, not about the geth, not about reapers, not about you. you dont actully walk over to the right side, you arent actually fitring bullets, there is no explosion, there is no ending. shep is still on earth in London.

the destroy option IS the f-you boy-binger option. ITS EXACTLY THAT. has NOTHING to do with the war AT ALL and everything to do with a mental battle with the reapers. MENTAL. you choosing destroy is you fighting temptation to deal with the reapers. Control = deal= indoc     synth=deal=indoc    destroy=resist=wake up... i cant describe this any clearer.

Geth have nothing to do with this and the racist comment is totaly incorrect applied to either characers

Alright, i'll repeat your own points for further understanding:
There is no explosion.
There is no ending.
The Crucible does not fire they way you chose it to.

But there is still a decision. A decision to destroy a peaceful allied race simply because the Reaper leader says you must. Even if the whole scene is false you still take that decision in your mind. A decision that's implied to be right and leading to Shepard's break of indoctrination. Which is bull. I can't describe this any clearer.
d

Ok what do the reapers do? they turn lifeforms into synthetic/organic mixes IE the husks. So herp derp I'm going to choose to magically turn everyone into husks so the reapers don't have to do all that work. the reapers are capable of indoctrination well herp derp im going to mix my mind with theirs so I can "control" them.
The only mental decision shepard can make that shows hes unwilling to comprimise on his decision to destroy to reapers is the destroy option if he doesn't pick that then he fails and never wakes up from the indoctrination.

[JasonTan87]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

evisneffo wrote...

So Tiax, if your theory is correct - and I don't fault your defence - this game I have is a conclusion to the saga without a conclusion. The question of future DLC is irrelevant: the game, advertised and sold as an ending, is incomplete. Pardon me if I say this doesn't make me feel any better.

it has and ending, a twist ending that leads into further content but an ending.

Thats what Bioware will tell you, anyways if i buy ME3 and they realease ME3.1 to me for free.. then who cares they are giving you and ending just a tad later at no extra cost, why you mad?

lol I agree that I would like to see more but that fact that you seem to think it will be free is kind of funny.

i have heard conjecture as to free but none as to a price other then free. no proof but if the arguement has one side...?

If all this rage does anything at all to effect Bioware's plan it would be to release the dlc as free even if they originally wanted to charge.

And meanwhile the 'plan' itself decimates customer's faith in Bioware; makes disappointed fans return their game copies to gamestop; prices of new copies start dropping, 2nd hand copies (which they make no money out of) floods the market.

Yep, sounds like a great marketing plan to me.

[3picKing]

TL;DR But trust me, I know why I dislike the ending.

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

Alright, i'll repeat your own points for further understanding:
There is no explosion.
There is no ending.
The Crucible does not fire they way you chose it to.

But there is still a decision. A decision to destroy a peaceful allied race simply because the Reaper leader says you must. Even if the whole scene is false you still take that decision in your mind. A decision that's implied to be right and leading to Shepard's break of indoctrination. Which is bull. I can't describe this any clearer.
d

striking out again. if you are told in a dream that the only way to get out is to kill your mom, then you do it.. you wake up and your mom is still alive and you didnt kill **** BECAUSE IT WAS A DREAM. would you still be a mom killer?

this is essentially the same. based on flawed logic, a dream force tells you dream people will die if you dream destroy something, and you believed him... the geth are fine.. and so are the reapers. nothing happended.

I dont care if boy-binger said if i clicked destroy I would grow a tail and start hopping around. I dont care if he said destroy will kill all humans and rape my mom... its a lie and it doesnt come true

[Tiax Rules All]

3picKing wrote...

TL;DR But trust me, I know why I dislike the ending.

so tell me and i wlll copy paste from the OP cause you cant be bothered.. im nice like that.

[JasonTan87]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RaynerJA wrote...

This is the indoctrinated effect, those people will never change their mind unless near death.
If, if all this comes true those people raging will stop and "ohhhh i was cheated, lets go to the forums and rage about it too". I cant w8 to see the result.

it will go from "the ending sucked" to "waaah, Bioware made me look stupid, they should feel bad"

And what if it doesn't come true?

Biowares own suggestions say otherwise but if not i will send you a nice PM telling you how sorry I am.

Don't worry Tiax, I'm just trolling.  Deep down in my heart I LURB YOU LOTS XOXO

[RaynerJA]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RaynerJA wrote...

This is the indoctrinated effect, those people will never change their mind unless near death.
If, if all this comes true those people raging will stop and "ohhhh i was cheated, lets go to the forums and rage about it too". I cant w8 to see the result.

it will go from "the ending sucked" to "waaah, Bioware made me look stupid, they should feel bad"

And what if it doesn't come true?

anyway me3 did make us feel part of the game, like we where indoctrinated, taking sides, putting us each other, even if not officially.No other games i played did this, Me3 can still a **** but will still the best **** of the year.
I dont speak   English , so sorry if you dont understand well.

Modifié par RaynerJA, 15 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Rafe34]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Occam's Razor: If Shepard was indoctrinated after getting beamed, the Reapers would just have her lay there. Hammer failed. The organics =lost=. Why go through all the giggly junk with the kid and Anderson and TIM? There is no reason for it. Simplest action for an indoctrinate Shepard is to have her lay there and bleed out.

If Shepard resisted, then the Reapers are never destroyed, the scenes on the Citadel never happened, and the story of Shepard Versus The Reapers is left unfinished. Consider that BioWare has said ME3 will end Shepard's story. Ipso facto, every thing on the Citadel happened.

Shepard's story is over. From the current evidence, Hallucination Theory officially busted.

ME3 will end Shep's story. ME3 is not done yet. So... nice try, but no.

Honestly, would people take the time to read the OP if you're gonna post in here?

[Tiax Rules All]

soundhole wrote...crap

OMG tell me again I dont have evidence while not giving any yourself.

you are crazy, i tried im done.

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

striking out again. if you are told in a dream that the only way to get out is to kill your mom, then you do it.. you wake up and your mom is still alive and you didnt kill **** BECAUSE IT WAS A DREAM. would you still be a mom killer?

this is essentially the same. based on flawed logic, a dream force tells you dream people will die if you dream destroy something, and you believed him... the geth are fine.. and so are the reapers. nothing happended.

I dont care if boy-binger said if i clicked destroy I would grow a tail and start hopping around. I dont care if he said destroy will kill all humans and rape my mom... its a lie and it doesnt come true

Why would a sane person have random dreams about killing his/her mother?

So... i guess all this posting, all this long "reasoning"... is a simple denial of it ever happening. Huh. I excpected better from someone who was telling fans "they don't get it". I guess i think too high of people.

[Jerrybnsn]

As I stated yesterday, many threads ago, what you are saying about the indoctrination makes sense and would be a good ending because it would be an ending at least. But it's like that Doctor Strangelove movie where the Russian's have a brillant idea about the Doomesday machine but it'll only work if you tell somebody? "It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises."

Why didn't Bioware flesh out that ending and why didn't Bioware allow those who don't get into Multiplayer or dlc to have that option either?

[Ludica]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Ok what do the reapers do? they turn lifeforms into synthetic/organic mixes IE the husks. So herp derp I'm going to choose to magically turn everyone into husks so the reapers don't have to do all that work. the reapers are capable of indoctrination well herp derp im going to mix my mind with theirs so I can "control" them.
The only mental decision shepard can make that shows hes unwilling to comprimise on his decision to destroy to reapers is the destroy option if he doesn't pick that then he fails and never wakes up from the indoctrination.

There is the other post directed to you:

Ludica wrote...

So because i'm not a Renegade i'm Saren? Weird logic. I know Renegades are bitter for games putting lots of their choices under "pretty much wrong" section, but come on.
I'm willing to not comply with the idiot kid's logic and not to submit to it's options. You are submitting to it's bullcrap options. So... who's Saren here?

 

Good luck. I sincerely await your reply... not.