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[Tiax Rules All]

JasonTan87 wrote...

And meanwhile the 'plan' itself decimates customer's faith in Bioware; makes disappointed fans return their game copies to gamestop; prices of new copies start dropping, 2nd hand copies (which they make no money out of) floods the market.

Yep, sounds like a great marketing plan to me.

that has not happened. thats what you think will happen. but if ending DLC comes out, it will sell well, really well. and seliing really well is actually what marketing does..

[annoyingpoodle]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Occam's Razor: If Shepard was indoctrinated after getting beamed, the Reapers would just have her lay there. Hammer failed. The organics =lost=. Why go through all the giggly junk with the kid and Anderson and TIM? There is no reason for it. Simplest action for an indoctrinate Shepard is to have her lay there and bleed out.

If Shepard resisted, then the Reapers are never destroyed, the scenes on the Citadel never happened, and the story of Shepard Versus The Reapers is left unfinished. Consider that BioWare has said ME3 will end Shepard's story. Ipso facto, every thing on the Citadel happened.

Shepard's story is over. From the current evidence, Hallucination Theory officially busted.

No. notice how you only wake up if you got enough war assets, the reapers need shepard indoctrinated so they can use him to stop the allied forces. If you dont have enough assets then the reapers arn't as worried about the forces attacking them and as a result they don't even offer him the most enticing choice (I.E they arn't trying as hard to indoctrinate him). So if shepard resists then they can't use him to stop the allied forces and as a result the reapers could die due to the massive army you spent the whole game putting together.

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

Ok what do the reapers do? they turn lifeforms into synthetic/organic mixes IE the husks. So herp derp I'm going to choose to magically turn everyone into husks so the reapers don't have to do all that work. the reapers are capable of indoctrination well herp derp im going to mix my mind with theirs so I can "control" them.
The only mental decision shepard can make that shows hes unwilling to comprimise on his decision to destroy to reapers is the destroy option if he doesn't pick that then he fails and never wakes up from the indoctrination.

There is the other post directed to you:

Ludica wrote...

So because i'm not a Renegade i'm Saren? Weird logic. I know Renegades are bitter for games putting lots of their choices under "pretty much wrong" section, but come on.
I'm willing to not comply with the idiot kid's logic and not to submit to it's options. You are submitting to it's bullcrap options. So... who's Saren here?

 

Good luck. I sincerely await your reply... not.

So I guess I'll explain this for the third time now? Shepard is inside his own mind as they try to indoctrinate him HE HAS NO IDEA THAT THIS ISN"T HAPPENING. Shepard fully believes that he is inside the citedal and this is the catalyst and he MUST make a choice if he just walks away then EVERYONE DIES. He doesn't know hes being indoctrinated to him this is all real and a choice must be made. I have already explained the stupidity of the other two choice and how they would be helping the reapers not hurting them so I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.

[Tiax Rules All]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Occam's Razor: If Shepard was indoctrinated after getting beamed, the Reapers would just have her lay there. Hammer failed. The organics =lost=. Why go through all the giggly junk with the kid and Anderson and TIM? There is no reason for it. Simplest action for an indoctrinate Shepard is to have her lay there and bleed out.

If Shepard resisted, then the Reapers are never destroyed, the scenes on the Citadel never happened, and the story of Shepard Versus The Reapers is left unfinished. Consider that BioWare has said ME3 will end Shepard's story. Ipso facto, every thing on the Citadel happened.

Shepard's story is over. From the current evidence, Hallucination Theory officially busted.

you dont know why harby wants to indoctrinate you... but you will after playing the DLC

and DLC for ME3 is Still ending the series in ME3, they didnt lie

theory not officially busted at all

[OriginalTibs]

...because the complete game was apparently truncated and re-engineered in order to sell the DLC?

Didn't we pay enough for the game? Isn't it a form of deception to sell you a car only to learn once the papers have been signed that the key needed to use it will cost extra?

Isn't the conclusion to an epic work of fiction supposed to be part of the book?

Is a story complete without a proper end?

As good as the beginning and body were, can it be considered well written if the reader needs speculative cliff notes to make sense of it?

In a body of work that champions hope and effort, should nine of ten conclusions of hopeless futility and despair be simply accepted?

Or is literary criticism now invalid because the authors consider it uninformed conceit?

[annoyingpoodle]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Occam's Razor: If Shepard was indoctrinated after getting beamed, the Reapers would just have her lay there. Hammer failed. The organics =lost=. Why go through all the giggly junk with the kid and Anderson and TIM? There is no reason for it. Simplest action for an indoctrinate Shepard is to have her lay there and bleed out.

If Shepard resisted, then the Reapers are never destroyed, the scenes on the Citadel never happened, and the story of Shepard Versus The Reapers is left unfinished. Consider that BioWare has said ME3 will end Shepard's story. Ipso facto, every thing on the Citadel happened.

Shepard's story is over. From the current evidence, Hallucination Theory officially busted.

you dont know why harby wants to indoctrinate you... but you will after playing the DLC

and DLC for ME3 is Still ending the series in ME3, they didnt lie

theory not officially busted at all

Pretty sure he wants to indoctrinate you because you basically have control of 5000+ war assets.

EDIT: if your a reaper and you can pick anyone in the galaxy to control who would it be? Probably the guy or girl that just got the entire galaxy to fight together and formed the largest military force in history.

Modifié par annoyingpoodle, 15 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[Ludica]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

So I guess I'll explain this for the third time now? Shepard is inside his own mind as they try to indoctrinate him HE HAS NO IDEA THAT THIS ISN"T HAPPENING. Shepard fully believes that he is inside the citedal and this is the catalyst and he MUST make a choice if he just walks away then EVERYONE DIES. He doesn't know hes being indoctrinated to him this is all real and a choice must be made. I have already explained the stupidity of the other two choice and how they would be helping the reapers not hurting them so I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.

So you hide under "it never happened" simply to deny that you submitted to Catalyst's bullcrap logic and lie to yourself like that? Only after i have disproven any choice to be anti-Reaper? Sigh, come on. You people can do better than that. Probably.

[Azgoroth]

When I finished the endings... I was mad....I'm still not, I was confused...I felt like something wasn't right. This doesn't make sense....There has to be something more....this feels unfinished.

As I read the ending hater and etc. I wanted to agree with them, but I didn't...not 100% because I felt like something wasn't finished. Shepard wouldn't just keel over like that.

I finished the game about a week ago and normally something like this would just go away, I couldn't figure it out. WHY did I feel like the game wasn't done? Was it bad writing? Was it because I was missing something...so I went back and did the options again...

Beleive it or not, it was when you have to shoot the maurader where I figured out that this last bit wasn't all literal, at least not all of it. Shepard could not take on a marauder they way he was bounced around...but two headsots...and the thing WAITS to fire...

I went online and I found this thread right before my morning class for university. Tiax, you're right. It hit me right before I was halfway finished your first post. The last semester of philosophy and psych, came rushing back to me.

If it isn't 100% the intdoctrination theory it's the best idea out there, and it makes damn good sense.....the other thing comes down to this....

Bioware.........doesn't.....kill.......their.....main......characters, they never have, and if they have given you the option to kill them. They have always given you OPTION 3.....KEEP THEM ALIVE.

Tiax, we might be 100% wrong, but I'm with you 100%. Bioware isn't done with us yet, and Shepard isn't done saving our asses!

[Tiax Rules All]

Fixed links.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan (Bioware PR rep)
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

So I guess I'll explain this for the third time now? Shepard is inside his own mind as they try to indoctrinate him HE HAS NO IDEA THAT THIS ISN"T HAPPENING. Shepard fully believes that he is inside the citedal and this is the catalyst and he MUST make a choice if he just walks away then EVERYONE DIES. He doesn't know hes being indoctrinated to him this is all real and a choice must be made. I have already explained the stupidity of the other two choice and how they would be helping the reapers not hurting them so I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.

So you hide under "it never happened" simply to deny that you submitted to Catalyst's bullcrap logic and lie to yourself like that? Only after i have disproven any choice to be anti-Reaper? Sigh, come on. You people can do better than that. Probably.

I just facepalmed so hard I think I broke my nose. I am not explaining this again.

[BoneNinja]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

BoneNinja wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

hex23 wrote...

I believe in indoctrination theory but I will play Devil's advocate for a sec.

Let's say the end should be taken at face value. It 100% happened. This still doesn't explain Star Gazer...but let's roll with it all being real for a second.

The problem with that is, Bioware has been tweeting nonstop hinting that we don't have the full picture.

Look at this Chris Priestly tweet from today:

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872

Jessica Merizan:
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152

The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338

This has been going on nonstop for the last 2 days. Some might say "oh, this is PR"....but you can't really. PR wouldn't get that specific about us not understanding what we've seen, yet.

cannot ignore this

OMG, I cannot express the relief that just washed through me.

yup, to anybody else. read these before telling me im stupid again. please. do yourslef a favor.
from the mouth of the beast...

Yup, What Tiax said, they might not work if you just click on the links, but if you copy and paste them into a new window/tab and then hit go they should work. If they STILL don't work, let me know and I'll fix them.

[Ludica]

annoyingpoodle wrote...

I just facepalmed so hard I think I broke my nose. I am not explaining this again.

Claim facepalm is a nice way to say "i've got nothing".
But hey, you've shown that your own brain cannot truly accept this illogical idiocy, so i don't blame you.

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

So I guess I'll explain this for the third time now? Shepard is inside his own mind as they try to indoctrinate him HE HAS NO IDEA THAT THIS ISN"T HAPPENING. Shepard fully believes that he is inside the citedal and this is the catalyst and he MUST make a choice if he just walks away then EVERYONE DIES. He doesn't know hes being indoctrinated to him this is all real and a choice must be made. I have already explained the stupidity of the other two choice and how they would be helping the reapers not hurting them so I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.

So you hide under "it never happened" simply to deny that you submitted to Catalyst's bullcrap logic and lie to yourself like that? Only after i have disproven any choice to be anti-Reaper? Sigh, come on. You people can do better than that. Probably.

sometimes you just have to know when to cut your losses and this is a losing battle, you will never get this. I doubt you will even after Bioware says its so. please read my response to you above if you havent, if you have.. then good day to you.

[Static Jak]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Fixed links.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan (Bioware PR rep)
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

"404: Page Not Found"

[OriginalTibs]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

So I guess I'll explain this for the third time now? Shepard is inside his own mind as they try to indoctrinate him HE HAS NO IDEA THAT THIS ISN"T HAPPENING. Shepard fully believes that he is inside the citedal and this is the catalyst and he MUST make a choice if he just walks away then EVERYONE DIES. He doesn't know hes being indoctrinated to him this is all real and a choice must be made. I have already explained the stupidity of the other two choice and how they would be helping the reapers not hurting them so I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.

So you hide under "it never happened" simply to deny that you submitted to Catalyst's bullcrap logic and lie to yourself like that? Only after i have disproven any choice to be anti-Reaper? Sigh, come on. You people can do better than that. Probably.

It isn't hiding to hope that the rubble (under which that last breath is taken in the optimal ending) is in London, and means that when Shepard does arise, having successfully resisted indoctrination, then the final battle has yet to be waged.

But I suspect that DLC would be massive.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 15 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

sometimes you just have to know when to cut your losses and this is a losing battle, you will never get this. I doubt you will even after Bioware says its so. please read my response to you above if you havent, if you have.. then good day to you.

Gosh, the lengths that people like you will go just to have the last word even if they're out of reasoning... it's truly stunning. You could have at least demagogued your way out of this. 
I am sincerely disappoint.

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

I just facepalmed so hard I think I broke my nose. I am not explaining this again.

Claim facepalm is a nice way to say "i've got nothing".
But hey, you've shown that your own brain cannot truly accept this illogical idiocy, so i don't blame you.

read again please, from OP

Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.

You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.

the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending.

[Tiax Rules All]

Static Jak wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Fixed links.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan (Bioware PR rep)
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

"404: Page Not Found"

copy paste into browser, its not me i swear, it keeps adding BIOWAREsocialnetwork in front of the url ... its not in the BBCode it just doesnt want to like right. but the work manually

[annoyingpoodle]

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

I just facepalmed so hard I think I broke my nose. I am not explaining this again.

Claim facepalm is a nice way to say "i've got nothing".
But hey, you've shown that your own brain cannot truly accept this illogical idiocy, so i don't blame you.

No its a way of simply accepting that I am wasting my time trying to explain something to someone who either can't read, chooses not to read or who does not have a functioning frontal lobe.

[lv427]

Thanks, Tiax Rules All for breaking it down. I actually do like this ending. I like the hint of a promise of something more to come. And I hope that Bioware isn't afraid to continue taking creative chances after all the backlash surrounding the ending.

[BoneNinja]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Static Jak wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Fixed links.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan (Bioware PR rep)
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

"404: Page Not Found"

copy paste into browser, its not me i swear, it keeps adding BIOWAREsocialnetwork in front of the url ... its not in the BBCode it just doesnt want to like right. but the work manually

Yeah, you have to cut and paste them into a new window/tab to make the link actually take you to twitter and not a nonexistent BSN page. :-/ They ARE there and do work otherwise.

[Tiax Rules All]

lv427 wrote...

Thanks, Tiax Rules All for breaking it down. I actually do like this ending. I like the hint of a promise of something more to come. And I hope that Bioware isn't afraid to continue taking creative chances after all the backlash surrounding the ending.

its this kind of reaction by hastily uninformed and stubborn people hat will make sure we never have anything but cookie cutter lame endings forever..

unless we all buy the DLC then it dont matter what we think, what we DID is say ok with our wallets

[Druzgot]

I am so happy with this twitter answers:D

[Tiax Rules All]

BoneNinja wrote...

Yeah, you have to cut and paste them into a new window/tab to make the link actually take you to twitter and not a nonexistent BSN page. :-/ They ARE there and do work otherwise.

im not typing the BSN at the beginning, and is not in the code, yet when you click the link it adds it in front of the adrees shown

[OriginalTibs]

So we want the cost of keys to the car we bought included in the original price.

We (my mouse and I) are not pleased with what appears to be a premeditated deception.The company advertised resolution in this purchase.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 15 mars 2012 - 02:48 .