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[Ludica]

 

annoyingpoodle wrote...

No its a way of simply accepting that I am wasting my time trying to explain something to someone who either can't read, chooses not to read or who does not have a functioning frontal lobe.

Sir, are you by any chance mad?
I wasn' the one jumping with insults, btw. I presented my reasoning, you chose to try to disprove it, you failed. Deal with it.

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ludica wrote...

annoyingpoodle wrote...

I just facepalmed so hard I think I broke my nose. I am not explaining this again.

Claim facepalm is a nice way to say "i've got nothing".
But hey, you've shown that your own brain cannot truly accept this illogical idiocy, so i don't blame you.

read again please, from OP

Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.

You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.

the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending.

Ok, not the best demagogue i've ever seen, but i guess it'll do.

And yet still you've said precisely nothing about your Shepard making a (by your logic - inner) decision to be a genocidal murderer to his/her allied race and it's somehow being the one that breaks through indoctrination. You still submitted. There is nothing you can do to disprove that. You didn't write that, it's simply... there. In all theories.
I excpected to be enraged by this topic, but i'm simply bored. Can you at least make me mad? Come ooon.

[Complistic]

Hmmm, those tweets are enlightening. If this is true, I think it's actually a really good ending. I can come up with what happened to the galaxy in my head, much better than anything bioware could come up with.

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...


Ok, not the best demagogue i've ever seen, but i guess it'll do.

And yet still you've said precisely nothing about your Shepard making a (by your logic - inner) decision to be a genocidal murderer to his/her allied race and it's somehow being the one that breaks through indoctrination. You still submitted. There is nothing you can do to disprove that. You didn't write that, it's simply... there. In all theories.
I excpected to be enraged by this topic, but i'm simply bored. Can you at least make me mad? Come ooon.

you going around in circles it doesnt matter what harby said would happen, cause none of it DOES happen until you get this you cant get the rest. i have explained many times. If harby said i have to kill anderson to break free of indoc instead of kill geth.. it still would not have mattered, cause i wouldnt actually kill him just reject indoc by bieng willing to do it. Shep is not a racist you have to see the absurdaty

and the last part just sounds like you are trolling and baiting now.

[Tiax Rules All]

its REALLY Fixed links now.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 15 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[evisneffo]

Accidentally quoted myself further down. Disregard this post.

Modifié par evisneffo, 15 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[beyondsolo]

I appreciate the points made in the OP, and they do seem to make the ending less horrible than if it's taken at face value. Further, they address some major issues I'm having with the ending, such as pretty much the entire galaxy being done for (because the mass relays now don't explode, as all of that is an illusion). It means that if we've gathered enough EMS and pick the destroy option (i.e. resist the indoctrination), Shepard can survive.

However, I think that there are too many points left unanswered. While I'm willing to concede the point that James and Ash are probably dead (it's what I thought initially when "awakening" on the Citadel) and that the Normandy crash landing and the ground team surviving is only Shepard's whishful thinking, I'd still like to know what happened to them. I want to know what happened to the characters I've grown so attached to across several games and dozens, if not hundreds of hours of gameplay. I'd like to know what happens to the galaxy, to the civilizations Shepard's worked so hard to protect and unite. Basically, I want closure.

With Shepard unconscious in London and no one else reaching the beam, the Crucible must have either fired automatically or been completely useless. The latter point would invalidate not only many of the game's quests, but also make the work of thousands of civilizations from previous cycles obsolete. The former would require an explanation. What did the Crucible actually do? There is no answer to that.

Furthermore, assuming the choices in the end truly affected nothing more than Shepard's fight against indoctrination, the various outros with the mass effect relays exploding are pointless.

Don't take me wrong. I'm glad you enjoyed the ending, and I still wish I had, too. But the way things are now I think the ending is unworthy of a wonderful series of games, hurting what Mass Effect stands for (in my opinion and those of many other fans).

[JesseLee202]

Okay that one when ME said to "hang in there" really got my attention.

[evisneffo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

it has and ending, a twist ending that leads into further content but an ending.

Thats
what Bioware will tell you, anyways if i buy ME3 and they realease
ME3.1 to me for free.. then who cares they are giving you and ending
just a tad later at no extra cost, why you mad?

Again, the question of getting it in the end for free is irrelevant. Suppose the ending DLC is coming after all and this was all planned. What's the justification for leaving it out of the game that was shipped, and forcing people to wait an arbitrary amount of time? Suspense? The credits would be plenty of time for people to sit and stew about what they just witnessed before being thrown back into the game to the realisation that they were indoctrinated.

Let me hop over to another post to finish up this point:

Tiax Rules All wrote...

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

If this is true, it's like selling Mass Effect 2 and then telling everyone they'll have to buy the actual Collector Base mission as DLC.

the collector base was not the end of the story.. why didnt you rage about that? because they came out with more..
Me3 was not the end of the story? why are we raging about this when there will be more.

This example doesn't line up. The Collector Base mission was the central element of ME2. It should have been there. It was. The "more" that they came out with could have fallen between ME2 and ME3. Further than that, it was not necessary to receive the experience promised in the sale of the game.

Pull up a blurb straight from the ME3 website. "TAKE BACK EARTH." "... prepar[e] ... for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival" (emphasis mine). If Shepard is lying under a pile of rubble in London, having hallucinated the final events, neither of these things happened. The game, therefore, is not complete.

Of course I would be pleased to receive an alternative to this ending, but if this was the planned outcome I cannot see this as anything but irresponsible. People have made excellent analogies, like being sold a car without a windscreen or a key.



(Sorry, my quote trees broke.)
((Edit> Sigh ... 459284958th time lucky.))

Modifié par evisneffo, 15 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[JasonTan87]

Tiax I thought you were going to bed.

Modifié par JasonTan87, 15 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

you going around in circles it doesnt matter what harby said would happen, cause none of it DOES happen until you get this you cant get the rest. i have explained many times. If harby said i have to kill anderson to break free of indoc instead of kill geth.. it still would not have mattered, cause i wouldnt actually kill him just reject indoc by bieng willing to do it. Shep is not a racist you have to see the absurdaty

and the last part just sounds like you are trolling and baiting now.

That's only because the road you try to pass on me as linear is circles.
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol

It's not my fault you "artistic" types are so damn tasty. You guys are the best combination of self-denial, snobism, and pseudo-intellegence since one well-known notvampires saga fans. Too bad there is so few of you it's hard to actually find one.

[Mad-Hamlet]

'Alot' is not a word.

[SonosI]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

its REALLY Fixed links now.. You want more evidence? Is Bioware a good enough source?


Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936
you wont have to be upset anymore, all this outrage is manufactured on purpose to hype the real ending

I liked the ending, but if its free i dont mind! 

[Tiax Rules All]

evisneffo wrote...

This example doesn't line up. The Collector Base mission was the central element of ME2. It should have been there. It was. The "more" that they came out with could have fallen between ME2 and ME3. Further than that, it was not necessary to receive the experience promised in the sale of the game.

Pull up a blurb straight from the ME3 website. "TAKE BACK EARTH." "... prepar[e] ... for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival" (emphasis mine). If Shepard is lying under a pile of rubble in London, having hallucinated the final events, neither of these things happened. The game, therefore, is not complete.

Of course I would be pleased to receive an alternative to this ending, but if this was the planned outcome I cannot see this is as anything but irresponsible. People have made excellent analogies, like being sold a car without a windscreen or a key.

its all in POV.   all you hae stated above is opinion that chages between each person.
you are looking at it in a ay that leads to negative thoughts.

for me, (if my plans come true)  DLC comes out ad its for free to download for all registered users.
I dont pay more, it goes into my Me3 and makes it longer. 
I wouldt be mad if they did that, hell i wouldnt be mad if thy did it again after that..
if it is giving me more WHY would you not want that.
ME3 DLC is not ME4, its still ME3 therfore, Me3 can still be the begginging middle and end.. ITS NOT WRONG

[Tiax Rules All]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

'Alot' is not a word.

must delete thread now...

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

you going around in circles it doesnt matter what harby said would happen, cause none of it DOES happen until you get this you cant get the rest. i have explained many times. If harby said i have to kill anderson to break free of indoc instead of kill geth.. it still would not have mattered, cause i wouldnt actually kill him just reject indoc by bieng willing to do it. Shep is not a racist you have to see the absurdaty

and the last part just sounds like you are trolling and baiting now.

That's only because the road you try to pass on me as linear is circles.
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol

It's not my fault you "artistic" types are so damn tasty. You guys are the best combination of self-denial, snobism, and pseudo-intellegence since one well-known notvampires saga fans. Too bad there is so few of you it's hard to actually find one.

you didnt even read what i took the time to explain to you again, you just insulted me.

I dont want to be this way but I will report you if you keep trolling

[Tiax Rules All]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Tiax I thought you were going to bed.

I have got no sleep since this thread opened

not sure why, i shouldnt care about this. I suppose its still the influx of thank you's in here and my mail..

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ludica wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

you going around in circles it doesnt matter what harby said would happen, cause none of it DOES happen until you get this you cant get the rest. i have explained many times. If harby said i have to kill anderson to break free of indoc instead of kill geth.. it still would not have mattered, cause i wouldnt actually kill him just reject indoc by bieng willing to do it. Shep is not a racist you have to see the absurdaty

and the last part just sounds like you are trolling and baiting now.

That's only because the road you try to pass on me as linear is circles.
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol

It's not my fault you "artistic" types are so damn tasty. You guys are the best combination of self-denial, snobism, and pseudo-intellegence since one well-known notvampires saga fans. Too bad there is so few of you it's hard to actually find one.

you didnt even read what i took the time to explain to you again, you just insulted me.

I dont want to be this way but I will report you if you keep trolling

I repeat: 
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol 

Gotta love armor piercing questions.

[someguy1231]

You have the words "not pretentious" in your thread title, and yet I find that very disclaimer pretentious. Oh the irony...

[jameshawking]

Shepard was Indoctrinated. Right.

And Squall died at the end of Disc 1 of FF8



LITERALLY what you are saying is that you would prefer the entire ending be a DREAM and non-existent than what they actually are.

Modifié par jameshawking, 15 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

I repeat: 
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol 

Gotta love armor piercing questions.

this simply doesnt make sense and everbody is tellng you this. why are you still here. each post is worst hen the last

[Tiax Rules All]

jameshawking wrote...

Shepard was Indoctrinated. Right.

And Squall died at the end of Disc 1 of FF8



LITERALLY what you are saying is that you would prefer the entire ending be a DREAM and non-existent than what they actually are.

im not saying I want it to be, im saying it is. Sorta, i mean you simplified it and belittled it but basically.

Are we going to actually HEAR peoples ego's shattering worldwide when they announce the DLC, read the twitter posts here
Chris Priestly
twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872
Jessica Merizan
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152
The official "Mass Effect" twitter from Bioware:
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179680647869243392
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179688066787704832
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179682383304462338
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936

Bioware told me.. now im telling you

[Ludica]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ludica wrote...

I repeat: 
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol 

Gotta love armor piercing questions.

this simply doesnt make sense and everbody is tellng you this. why are you still here. each post is worst hen the last

"Everybody"?
This video will never get old.
You cannot answer that question. You have nothing to disprove that. It's simple truth. The ending and it's colors make no sense and will never make any sense, regardless of what theories about them are true. Your entire thread of false reason is shut down by one simple question.
I'm here because i'm bored. Why else would i be? I thought i'd be mad, but really, you have nothing.  

[Tiax Rules All]

someguy1231 wrote...

You have the words "not pretentious" in your thread title, and yet I find that very disclaimer pretentious. Oh the irony...

i had to write this because people apply false elitism to anything that contradicts them. and also people look at my Avatar and suddenly read my posts in a condescending tone, which is funny, and sad.

i guess its like "dont get me the wrong way"
saying that makes them get you the wrong way for sure

[Tiax Rules All]

Ludica wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ludica wrote...

I repeat: 
So by being willing to do exactly what indocrtination says you reject the indoctrination? lol 

Gotta love armor piercing questions.

this simply doesnt make sense and everbody is tellng you this. why are you still here. each post is worst hen the last

"Everybody"?
This video will never get old.
You cannot answer that question. You have nothing to disprove that. It's simple truth. The ending and it's colors make no sense and will never make any sense, regardless of what theories about them are true. Your entire thread of false reason is shut down by one simple question.
I'm here because i'm bored. Why else would i be? I thought i'd be mad, but really, you have nothing.  

 i must have missed your thread with an OP full of examples and and evidence. Just because every post you made in my thread says you have no evidence, doesn't make it so.

and every time i post more or repost because you dont seem to acknolede it, you tell me i have no evidence.
its no different then me telling you your name is not Lucida. I can say it over and over and over but it will still be there right in front of my face.

[OriginalTibs]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

'Alot' is not a word.

It is if humans use it. Language is alive: it evolves with us. A dictionary is a guide, not a despot.