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[Baldurs Gate]

 After some days, and after reading about the indoctrinations theories; I have to say that, if that`s the ending they intended then I think this will be the best game I have ever played. I would be willing to forgive them not giving a real ending in the "complete" game because, if the theories are correct, then I myself, as a player, fell to indoctrination like the most basic human being. It would be truly amazing.

 PS: I might be wrong though. I was inmediatly indoctrinated by your avatar OP. xD

Edit: The mega quote wasnt really needed. Sorry. 

Modifié par Baldurs Gate, 13 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[sorentoft]

Guys. Break off the mega-quotes please.

[Aceor]

srsly there still treads coming up like this look at the poll, that preatty much prove that there's something wrong when 2 % only like the end -.- ? i know its not alot of votes yet but srsly 2% againts 89 % then theres something wrong and ur not seeing whats wrong only in denial.

Modifié par Aceor, 13 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Smiley556 wrote...

Same here, many have thanked me for explaining the ending to them. We fully understand that the ending is hard to figure out, I dont think it was written to be easy. And I would even argue that yes, maybe Bioware made it a bit to hard to understand, but as discussed earlier here in this thread, its a hard thing to balance, making it to blatent and obvious defeats the purpose of having an indoctrination scene like this. It succeeds greatly in decieving the players to doubt their own motivation and willingly pick the options that lead to indoctrination, that is for sure.

 yes well we are certainly on the same page here.

I never claimed that this ending was easy or that im smart for getting it. In fact I didnt at first, i felt the frustration. I helped myself out of it, then a friend who was stuck, now here.

I would agree that perhaps it is TOO difficult to be mainstream but the opposite, cookie cutter endings, is worse in my opinion.

[Strike2k2]

Tiax Rules All wrote...


FINAL NOTE
I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers.

No. What they did was sell me an incomplete game in an attempt to syphin more money out of me through DLC content. "Critical Mission Failure"

I'll remember Bioware doing this to me and it's fans for as long as they exist.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Explain how the squadmates that were with you got on the Normandy^^

[Lparsons7641]

HooblaDGN wrote...

At low military strength some people ONLY get the destroy option. They are unable to choose the others. This sort of renders indoctrination theory moot. If the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate you they would not ONLY preent you with the option they're trying to drive you away from.

Linky:

http://m.gamefaqs.co...fect-3/62225565

That really depresses me. FIrst two grad school rejections last night nad now this.

Time to go back to bed.

[Altorious]

"Your An Idoit I've done the 5000 assets thing and I think the Destroy Ending still sucks.

[Lugaidster]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Explain how the squadmates that were with you got on the Normandy^^

That's the magic of a hallucination. Everything that happened while Shepard was out, actually didn't. Thus, between the laser hit and the breathing scene, nothing happened (except that you broke free of the indoctrination attempt).

[Altorious]

Our Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, & Even Mass Effect 3 Choices and Relationships Don't Mean **** Because They Don't Really Effect The Ending.

[Tiax Rules All]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Explain how the squadmates that were with you got on the Normandy^^

they are really still with you in london, prob dead next you after the charge. The scene where they are all running away from the evil, to land on happy time untouched smile land is all just Shepards last moments of wanting to see his friends make it out alive and safe. though they arent. shep wakes up directly after that scene.. hes alive, on earth, never left. more story to be told.

some people calim to see the light when they die. shepard is having unselfish thoughts of succeding and the people he cares about making ****** to safety far away from reapers

[piemanz]

So in short, the theory goes something like this.

The fleet escort the crucble into place.

Shep makes a final push towards the beam and Harbinger knowing the crucible is about to obliterate him and the Reapers uses his final moments to toy with Shep through indoctrination.

The end scene takes place..

The crucible is used by the fleet regarldess of what option you chose.

The Reapers are defeated.


It actually does make sense.

Modifié par piemanz, 13 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Fuzzfro]

You have enlightened me. All this time I was trying to make sense of the current ending despite it's gaping holes when all this time it was a Shepard hallucination as he was battling indoctrination. I never accounted all those little problems "that weren't quite right" and now all the pieces come together to reveal the truth. It was a dog act by Bioware but a very risky tactic. I know I will be one of many who will buy the DLC for the "Real Ending" and I have to say I can't wait.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Lugaidster wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Explain how the squadmates that were with you got on the Normandy^^

That's the magic of a hallucination. Everything that happened while Shepard was out, actually didn't. Thus, between the laser hit and the breathing scene, nothing happened (except that you broke free of the indoctrination attempt).

So what really woke Shepard up was the nightmare of his Love Interest and Joker repopulating a jungle island with Javik.

[MercenaryNo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
OP.

I have a reason to replay the singeplayer and not feel like it's a total loss now, thank you.

[sorentoft]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Explain how the squadmates that were with you got on the Normandy^^

Either it means this theory is correct, or this is a plothole. In fact, they are damned either way because if this theory is correct then it means they shipped without an ending, which let us be honest is quite bad on top of the Javik controversy. If this theory is wrong it means they shipped an ending with massive plotholes and poor writing. Either way they ruined the franchise for the far majority of fans in the last fifteen minutes of the game. This screams to me of bad business.

Oh man.

Sparkle sparkle sparkle.



I feel better now.

[Lugaidster]

By the way, I think it's important to point out that, if you listen carefully, you'll hear Shepard's voice behind that of the Catalyst. Meaning that he actually is a construct inside your head.

[Tiax Rules All]

Lparsons7641 wrote...

HooblaDGN wrote...

At low military strength some people ONLY get the destroy option. They are unable to choose the others. This sort of renders indoctrination theory moot. If the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate you they would not ONLY preent you with the option they're trying to drive you away from.

Linky:

http://m.gamefaqs.co...fect-3/62225565

That really depresses me. FIrst two grad school rejections last night nad now this.

Time to go back to bed.

you may get the destroy option but you will not see shep "live" at the end unless EMS > 4000

the 20 second tidbit of  shep alive on earth IS the whole ending

[Baldurs Gate]

Lparsons7641 wrote...

HooblaDGN wrote...

At low military strength some people ONLY get the destroy option. They are unable to choose the others. This sort of renders indoctrination theory moot. If the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate you they would not ONLY preent you with the option they're trying to drive you away from.

Linky:

http://m.gamefaqs.co...fect-3/62225565

That really depresses me. FIrst two grad school rejections last night nad now this.

Time to go back to bed.

 


Ending the supposed indoctrination with the "Destroy" option doesn't mean that you actually destroy Reapers. It just means you cant be indoctrinated. Also, if you reach the Indoctrination phase with low war assets it`s the same as choosing control or synthesis, you dont get the secret scene, you just die. They don't give you any other options because they don't need to.  

Modifié par Baldurs Gate, 13 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[Tiax Rules All]

piemanz wrote...

So in short, the theory goes something like this.

The fleet escort the crucble into place.

Shep makes a final push towards the beam and Harbinger knowing the crucible is about to obliterate him and the Reapers uses his final moments to toy with Shep through indoctrination.

The end scene takes place..

The crucible is used by the fleet regarldess of what option you chose.

The Reapers are defeated.


It actually does make sense.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

see this is why i made this thread. I mean no joke. Doesnt it feel good to at least know now? 

I mean you can still love or hate the ending, but at least hate it for what it really is.

[Aceor]

i mean srsly look at this http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989

2% its a f-ing joke something is wrong and we not alone to think that

[Tiax Rules All]

MercenaryNo wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
OP.

I have a reason to replay the singeplayer and not feel like it's a total loss now, thank you.

totally welcome

[Tedler]

Spewing a mix of speculation and headcanon and trying to pass it off as "what clearly happened" does not work.

[Lugaidster]

piemanz wrote...

So in short, the theory goes something like this.

The fleet escort the crucble into place.

Shep makes a final push towards the beam and Harbinger knowing the crucible is about to obliterate him and the Reapers uses his final moments to toy with Shep through indoctrination.

The end scene takes place..

The crucible is used by the fleet regarldess of what option you chose.

The Reapers are defeated.


It actually does make sense.

Is that sarcasm in there or are you just happy to read this?

[SiIencE]

 
I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

Is this ending @50% with 4000+ war assets? (so 2000 +? Military strenght)?
OR
Did you do MP and gotten the 50% up to 100% and get 4000+ total?

I'm currently at 5700+ and didn't do the MP yet so half of that @ 50% readiness.