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CDR David Shepard wrote...

Even though I won't play the next Mass Effect game because Shepard is not the protag...it's too late.

They can't bring Shepard back for another game.

They should of realized how awesome of a character and characters they had...and stretched the series out to 4 or 5 games with Shepard and co...

...but his series should have always ended with the defeat of the Reapers...there should of just been more games before that happened.




That I could get behind, the Reaper war should have been longer, imagine ending it with ME6 that takes place ENTIRELY on Earth, using the assets and decisions you made in the previous 5 games in a similar manner to the suicide mission of ME2.

'Reaper forces broke our lines at Istanbul! What should we do?'

'Send Aralakh Company supported by these Armali Snipers and the fighter squadrons from the Einstein!'

Then you could choose to join the mission, or give leadership to Garrus and send him out with Jack and Vega.
Could have been epic.

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It's time for a new story and new characters.

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I will not buy ME4 for a simple reason. Bioware couldn't give Shepard and the trilogy a good ending. Why should I buy more DLC and games when they have no clue and don't listen to their fanbase? The trilogy is a masterpiece until the last part of ME3. I'm starting to lose faith with Bioware. ME3 ending is bad, whole DA2 is bad and SWTOR is a gigantic failure.

If they change the ending and give Shepard and the trilogy I might buy future titles. But Shepard is the character that introduced me to Mass Effect, and he will always be my favorite character not matter what.

And the suggestion thread they made for ME4? Do you really belive they actually care? They want you to belive that they care, but in the end, your suggestions means nothing at all. Because they are the only people who can create art. Ye, and the last line was sarcasm..

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I want to see shepard again about as much as i want to see the master chief why can't someone just kill that guy already.

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I dont care, but what I do want is to see Shep sitting on a beach drinking a Dos Equis cause he/she is the savior of the world.

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Ugh, god, no. Please, ignore the idiots clamoring to keep Shepard in ME. Do something new, BioWare. Even if it's awful, at least let it live or die on its own merits/issues.

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yes please.Bioware loves necromancy

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Adamantium93 wrote...

I don't care about Shepard coming back to be honest. Too many game mascots keep making the rounds more times than they should.

And maybe I'm the only one, but I liked Hawke.

Bioware makes great characters, they should be able to make others we care about.


I want to see the ME universe from someone elses perspective but I would like to see one last game with Shepard that raps it up.  Or at least an Awakening type expantion. Remember Bioware said no more add on's nothing about expantions. Or is that just hopeful thinking.:(

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Warden130 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

No more Mass Effect....! There is no point.


If it really is dead to you, you don't have to buy the next ME game. The rest of us who still like the games can buy the next one. Everybody wins.


THIS^ B)

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I agree, i have been upset for a year now and i will never let go of Shepard & friends

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Even though I did not like the endings I would probably only buy a ME4/.ME:N if it had Shepard and his crew back. Otherwise I end at ME3. Without Shepard it wont be the same.

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Shepard's story is over folks, and frankly I'm kinda done with the military superperson and the SIRYESSIR.

Next Mass Effect game I want to play as someone like this guy...

Image IPB
Shepard? Who Dat? 

Modifié par KoorahUK, 02 avril 2013 - 02:32 .


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DarkSpider88 wrote...

No Shepard no Mass Effect for me. I tried it with no Warden in DA2, didn't work then doesn't work now.


I never had any problems with the no warden part. Becoming a sterile dying warden that's slowly getting consumed by the blight doesn't sound very appealing. However DA:O was a good game.
DA2 was decent but it had a few issues, like reusing areas far too much, the ending wasn't that good (which seems to have become a trend with ME3).

But I'm ok with saying good bye to Shepard. Shepard isn't the center of the mass effect universe and most of what Shepard can be and will or would possibly be... Lets say Shepard has been explored to death, something new would be good before people get feed up.  Like those TV series that keep running year after year getting crazier and more bozare every year because the producers are running out of ideas and have to add crazier or supernatural stuff to do something new.

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I support Shepard for Mass Effect 4, I mean the Next Mass Effect not named 4, but I also wouldn't mind a new cast, I already have an appearance created for the next main character.

I can understand both sides, a fourth game of Shepard and co would be dragging it out and would get old quick but for people like me, I have an attachment to my Shepard, because it's my own unique Shepard that I've played the first three games with so I feel like he is Mass Effect.

Perhaps Bioware could focus on a new cast for now and maybe sometime in the future come back to writing more stories for the cult of Shepard.

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KoorahUK wrote...

Shepard's story is over folks, and frankly I'm kinda done with the military superperson and the SIRYESSIR.

Next Mass Effect game I want to play as someone like this guy...

Image IPB
Shepard? Who Dat? 



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!! LMAO!!! I just....what?....this guy?...LOL!!!! RuPaul is more man than this peashooter.

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3equis wrote...

KoorahUK wrote...

Shepard's story is over folks, and frankly I'm kinda done with the military superperson and the SIRYESSIR.

Next Mass Effect game I want to play as someone like this guy...

Image IPB
Shepard? Who Dat? 



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!! LMAO!!! I just....what?....this guy?...LOL!!!! RuPaul is more man than this peashooter.

Jings Crivens, what is it with BSN and taking everything so ****ing literally? Where is the facepalm emote??
 
I mean, someone not affiliated with a governmental authority or military faction. Someone trying to make their own way in the universe and not necessarily constrained by orders from senior officers or laws that get int the way.

I didn't even watch Firefly but most sci-fi fans I know describe Cap'n Mal as a good model of this narrative archetype. I'm so done with Soldiers. Give us someone a bit more...ambiguous that the player can more easily mould into a bad ass renegade or rogue with a golden heart.

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People who believe Shepard is dead at the end of ME 3 better be ready for a surprise...

Even if we are not to be him again, he will be remembered via destroying Reapers and staying alive that day.

You'll see...

You have no idea how important is Shepard to ME universe. He will never be made remembered through turning into a Reaper Aİ or dooming the Galaxy with choosing Synthesize...

Either we will continue his story or remember him for being the conquerer of Reapers.

Other two options are just an insult to the trilogy. They deny the whole idea of it, essence of it. Only one way to continue the story, if this is Bioware's intention.

Try to grasp it, there were no paragon renegade ending, there were no real choice but to destroy the reapers no matter the cost. Edi, LEGİON, Anderson, GARRUS, Hackett, and every other being ( with the exception of İM man and so called Starchild - he was no starchild as a new character, he was Harbinger dammit- of course ) tried to tell you this in last game.

Just remember EDİ's words, Geth's opinion on Reapers, what Garrus hinted you by his choice of Turian Fleets FULL RETREAT in order to protect the Crucible.

You really still do consider Synthesize or Control as an option to continue Mass Effect's story...

Every story which the way Mass Effect's being told, only has one ending to it... No matter if you screwed it up at the end or not.

Seriously, do you think there is a way to continue the story via Sytnthesize or Control. Sythesize just makes it impossible to tell a new story, every being in the Galaxy essentially being the same... No difference really between a Krogan and a Turian, they all have the same perception of things, essentially they are all the same half organic half sythetic reaper kind a beings...

Control? Yes make Shepard the new Harbinger, in time he will lose his perspective of life, grasping the value of life and eventually decides to continue the cycle. The same story over again lol?

Oh and no one wants their hero to become their villain at the end. No way a new reaper story will happen next with Shepard being the new Harbinger.

Modifié par urazoktay, 02 avril 2013 - 08:09 .


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urazoktay wrote...

People who believe Shepard is dead at the end of ME 3 better be ready for a surprise...

Even if we are not to be him again, he will be remembered via destroying Reapers and staying alive that day.

You'll see...

You have no idea how important is Shepard to ME universe. He will never be made remembered through turning into a Reaper Aİ or dooming the Galaxy with choosing Synthesize...

Either we will continue his story or remember him for being the conquerer of Reapers.

Other two options are just an insult to the trilogy. They deny the whole idea of it, essence of it. Only one way to continue the story, if this is Bioware's intention.

Try to grasp it, there were no paragon renegade ending, there were no real choice but to destroy the reapers no matter the cost. Edi, LEGİON, Anderson, GARRUS, Hackett, and every other being ( with the exception of İM man and so called Starchild - he was no starchild as a new character, he was Harbinger dammit- of course ) tried to tell you this in last game.

Just remember EDİ's words, Geth's opinion on Reapers, what Garrus hinted you by his choice of Turian Fleets FULL RETREAT in order to protect the Crucible.

You really still do consider Synthesize or Control as an option to continue Mass Effect's story...

Every story which the way Mass Effect's being told, only has one ending to it... No matter if you screwed it up at the end or not.

Seriously, do you think there is a way to continue the story via Sytnthesize or Control. Sythesize just makes it impossible to tell a new story, every being in the Galaxy essentially being the same... No difference really between a Krogan and a Turian, they all have the same perception of things, essentially they are all the same half organic half sythetic reaper kind a beings...

Control? Yes make Shepard the new Harbinger, in time he will lose his perspective of life, grasping the value of life and eventually decides to continue the cycle. The same story over again lol?

Oh and no one wants their hero to become their villain at the end. No way a new reaper story will happen next with Shepard being the new Harbinger.

"Shepard? Who was this 'Shepard'?"
"He was this great human hero centuries ago who averted the destruction of the Galaxy by giant machines"
"I see"

There, all three endings referenced in one sentence without contradicting one another. Also...

Destroy: Synthetics rise again as predicted. Universe back to normal.
Control: The Reapers vanished decades ago and no one knows where they went. Universe back to normal.
Synthesis: After a few generations the underlying genetic code reasserted itself and self engineered out the synthetic matrix / reverse for Synthetics. Universe returns to normal.

All of these have not been thought about for longer than 30 seconds but a half competant script writer could do a much better job; it won't be nearly as hard as some people think. 

Bioware have said more than once, that a new story need have nothing at all to do with the events of Shepards time and that Shepards story IS OVER. He doesn't need to be dead or alive because he is irrelevant to what will come other than a codex entry, 

In fact, not referencing Shepard at all would probably be better. 

I'm sorry my friend I think it is you who are in for a big surprise.

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While I have no problem with a new protaganist in ME4. For me Mass Effect is Shepard and his crew. The universe is great and some of the species and concepts are good but its the characters and relationships that you have built up across the games which make it so good. IF bioware can repeat this (thats a big if) then ME4 will be great but why try and re-create the magic formula when you have already got it use them and send them on new adventures.

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Desecrator wrote...

Bioware should stop noobing out 


I LOL-ed. This alone is worth 5 stars.

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Well, seeing how BW can still do great characters (see Primarch Victus, Eve, Nyreen and so on) I won't have a problem with that. If BW doesn't get us a female Turian or male Quarian squaddie though I assume I'm gonna cry.

Veetor and Nyreen were good, kay? And then they are just gone in ME3, not wanna spoiler anyone now. ;_;

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im commander shep wrote...

While I have no problem with a new protaganist in ME4. For me Mass Effect is Shepard and his crew. The universe is great and some of the species and concepts are good but its the characters and relationships that you have built up across the games which make it so good. IF bioware can repeat this (thats a big if) then ME4 will be great but why try and re-create the magic formula when you have already got it use them and send them on new adventures.

Because half those characters may or may not be dead, Shepard may or may not be dead, The Geth may or may not be dead, the Quarians may or may not be dead; the Krogans may or may not be fertile and all the other things that may be different for every player.

This is the point. Continuing with the same characters is pointless unless you pick up where you left off and that means BW have to start a new trilogy with quite a few variables from the previous ones to take into account and then craft a new game that takes those variables into account for its entire duration, adding more and more as the player makes new choices

What happens if they don't?

"Bioware lied man, they told me it would be Shepards continuing story but [insert different thing from players last game here] and [major character] is dead but in my game they lived and I chose [ending a] but this universe has [ending b] as canon. BIOWARE ARE LIARS AND THE GAME IS BROKEN AND I WANT MY MONEY BACK AND BIOWARE ARE A JOKE..." etc etc.

Much easier if they start from scratch, give you new characters to love playing with and new adventures to experience. How many of us have ever thought, "man I wish I could play Mass Effect again for the first time"? I kinda feel this is as close as we will get.

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KoorahUK wrote...

urazoktay wrote...

People who believe Shepard is dead at the end of ME 3 better be ready for a surprise...

Even if we are not to be him again, he will be remembered via destroying Reapers and staying alive that day.

You'll see...

You have no idea how important is Shepard to ME universe. He will never be made remembered through turning into a Reaper Aİ or dooming the Galaxy with choosing Synthesize...

Either we will continue his story or remember him for being the conquerer of Reapers.

Other two options are just an insult to the trilogy. They deny the whole idea of it, essence of it. Only one way to continue the story, if this is Bioware's intention.

Try to grasp it, there were no paragon renegade ending, there were no real choice but to destroy the reapers no matter the cost. Edi, LEGİON, Anderson, GARRUS, Hackett, and every other being ( with the exception of İM man and so called Starchild - he was no starchild as a new character, he was Harbinger dammit- of course ) tried to tell you this in last game.

Just remember EDİ's words, Geth's opinion on Reapers, what Garrus hinted you by his choice of Turian Fleets FULL RETREAT in order to protect the Crucible.

You really still do consider Synthesize or Control as an option to continue Mass Effect's story...

Every story which the way Mass Effect's being told, only has one ending to it... No matter if you screwed it up at the end or not.

Seriously, do you think there is a way to continue the story via Sytnthesize or Control. Sythesize just makes it impossible to tell a new story, every being in the Galaxy essentially being the same... No difference really between a Krogan and a Turian, they all have the same perception of things, essentially they are all the same half organic half sythetic reaper kind a beings...

Control? Yes make Shepard the new Harbinger, in time he will lose his perspective of life, grasping the value of life and eventually decides to continue the cycle. The same story over again lol?

Oh and no one wants their hero to become their villain at the end. No way a new reaper story will happen next with Shepard being the new Harbinger.

"Shepard? Who was this 'Shepard'?"
"He was this great human hero centuries ago who averted the destruction of the Galaxy by giant machines"
"I see"

There, all three endings referenced in one sentence without contradicting one another. Also...

Destroy: Synthetics rise again as predicted. Universe back to normal.
Control: The Reapers vanished decades ago and no one knows where they went. Universe back to normal.
Synthesis: After a few generations the underlying genetic code reasserted itself and self engineered out the synthetic matrix / reverse for Synthetics. Universe returns to normal.

All of these have not been thought about for longer than 30 seconds but a half competant script writer could do a much better job; it won't be nearly as hard as some people think. 

Bioware have said more than once, that a new story need have nothing at all to do with the events of Shepards time and that Shepards story IS OVER. He doesn't need to be dead or alive because he is irrelevant to what will come other than a codex entry, 

In fact, not referencing Shepard at all would probably be better. 

I'm sorry my friend I think it is you who are in for a big surprise.


You didn't get what i meant.

İt's not like the way you put it.

All three endings has nothing to do with each other in fact. You read my posts? You all people so focused on the ending of the game you're missing the point.

You have the take the whole journey we had been through into consideration.

You just give so little credit to writers of ME. You see it like it's all about the ending.

You just do some predictions about control and synthesize which only can be fantasized.

Why i say that, if you happen to read all my posts you'll see why those so called predictions about what would happen after control and synth endings makes no sense.

İ'm not gonna go through them all over again, it's all written here and there in my posts.

People who think all the three endings are the same just missed so much hints and clues given to them through their journeys.

Mark my words, if Shepard will ever be remembered or become main character again it can only be done through high ems destroy.

That's my point. Well if Shepard won't be recognized at all then it's off the topic already.

You all people just give too much credit what Bioware had to say about Shepard's future or his legacy.

İ evidenced my points right from in game given clues, hints and information not just on some statements about how Shepard will never return, How do you know it's not about for spicing things up a little eh?

İ am not saying that Shepard will surely return, i am saying control and synth endings can't be made canon for his return.

So i am pretty sure that there won't be any kind a surprise for me at all. But i can't say the same for lots of folks here.

İ even read some posts here on forums referencing about how Master Chief will never return... Solid Snake's story is over, yep we all know how those two ended up like...

Do you even come to think about synth or control at all. There are tons of hints that denies your predictions GİVEN İN GAME via diologs, codex's, making senseless to think Shepard going far away from the Galaxy in the future with the reapers via control ending. And do you REALLY think synthesize can be undone, seriously, than lol...

You never made any arguments against what i said really, just fantasized control and synth endings. İ tell all these from in game experiences.

Don't bother replying if you are not going to read my posts and do not oppose them without some valid points rather than fantasizing. Give me in game clues of WHY control or Synthesize can be made canon for starters.

Grasp this, i am not looking for some excuses how control or synth can be made canon by talking about aftermath. Show me the signs in ME 1,2,3. that leads to synth or control, nope all the signs opposes them, denies them, and all the way, you, as being Shepard always opposed them, never accepting them. İt was never a matter of choice really. Do you remember being able do side with Saren or İM and with their perspectives? Nope, you just had the option of how you reject them, paragon or renegade style...

Give me the directions, hints, clues  İN GAME ( all in three games ) that leads to make one believe those two endings are fitting for being canon.

You just can't, because there are none, deal with it.

How the hell on earth DNA structures of all life in the galaxy can wear off? İt's pure nonsense and illogical. Synth changes DNA structures dammit, they are not drugged or something, it just not gonna wear off.

Control: You clearly did not realize that Shepard was no more Shepard anymore. He won't take Reapers away or else. Would Harbinger ever do that, well Shepard was no different then him at the end in a way. He was giving in to machine logic already..

He lost his organic perspective, he lost his perception of life and began to think like Reapers. His logic will be the same as Harbinger's. Just replay the last section and choose control in EC ending. Then listen to Shepard for god's sake.

Do you realize how many times he says "to save the many" MANY.

Dou you remember how Sovereign referred to Reapers in the first game?

We are MANY...

Shepard says this word in such a way and tone just like Sovereign did.

He says " i won't forget the ones who sacrificed themselves to save MANY" he repeats that afterwards.

Who the hell do you think he is referring to really. MANY are REAPERS. Shepard tricked by Reapers and turned into a Reaper kind a being, that's all about it.

Have you ever realized that there was a slide in control ending. Where it shows Miranda and Oriana curiously studying the Reapers? 

Don't you remember Starchild ( Harbinger in fact ) saying by choosing control SHEPARD will lose his humanity also ( in anyway ) and not just his body? 

How on earth can one say that a soulles Shepard, a Shepard without the things what made him the one who he is in the first place, a Shepard without his morals, without his perception of things, without his logic is different than Harbinger, is more than a machine?

Shepard will and already was talking, acting, perceiving things like a machine in the end.

Do you really think Reapers was repairing those damaged MAss Relays for any good?

Lol, they were repairing them for the next cycle...

Do you remember what Shepard said in EC firstly. He acts like a god, feels like a god, and talks in a way normally he would never do.

He was all in a power trip. İ am eternal, infinite! kind a words what he used.

Do you really think he would care for life in the Galaxy like the way he used to... He will care like how a Reaper would do so... Those were all given in game, if you can manage to understand them.

So maybe now you can understand why your fantesies regarding control and synth endings have no real ground.

Take care...;)

Modifié par urazoktay, 03 avril 2013 - 09:26 .


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 And you really didn't say anything about my points to oppose them in the post you replied.

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urazoktay wrote...

You have no idea how important is Shepard to ME universe. He will never be made remembered through turning into a Reaper Aİ or dooming the Galaxy with choosing Synthesize...


Dooming? Don't be silly. All the endings are wins for the galaxy. Even Refuse, except only the next cycle wins.

You really still do consider Synthesize or Control as an option to continue Mass Effect's story...


Not Synthesis. It's too weird and unrelatable. Control would work just fine. I prefer Destroy, but that's because I'd like a sequel set before the relays get rebuilt, and judging from the Control cinematics that isn't an option.

Control? Yes make Shepard the new Harbinger, in time he will lose his perspective of life, grasping the value of life and eventually decides to continue the cycle. The same story over again lol?


Why is it that Destroy fans are so attracted to this silly notion? You guys always make up bad stuff about the other endings, of course, but why this one in particular?

Grasp this, i am not looking for some excuses how control or synth can be made canon by talking about aftermath. Show me the signs in ME 1,2,3. that leads to synth or control, nope all the signs opposes them, denies them, and all the way, you, as being Shepard always opposed them, never accepting them. İt was never a matter of choice really. Do you remember being able do side with Saren or İM and with their perspectives? Nope, you just had the option of how you reject them, paragon or renegade style...


So because the earlier games restricted the player from choosing a different path, the last game must restrict the player too?

He lost his organic perspective, he lost his perception of life and began to think like Reapers. His logic will be the same as Harbinger's. Just replay the last section and choose control in EC ending. Then listen to Shepard for god's sake.


Sounded fine to me.

Who the hell do you think he is referring to really. MANY are REAPERS. Shepard tricked by Reapers and turned into a Reaper kind a being, that's all about it.


I'm not sure whether to call this fantasy or projection.

How on earth can one say that a soulles Shepard, a Shepard without the things what made him the one who he is in the first place, a Shepard without his morals, without his perception of things, without his logic is different than Harbinger, is more than a machine?


The same way that Shepard himself can say that the distinction between organic and machine is essentially meaningless. Remember the Chakwas-Adams argument in the wardroom?

Do you really think Reapers was repairing those damaged MAss Relays for any good?

Lol, they were repairing them for the next cycle...


Stargazer thought Shepard was a hero who won the war. Doesn't make any sense for him to think that if the Sheplyst reinstates the cycles. 

Of course, I suppose you could say that he just hasn't done that yet. Since you're just making stuff up here, I can't disprove that.