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[Taleroth]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

I love Discworld, but there's no reason that the Mass Effect universe can't be that long-running.

It can be long-running. There's a 99% probability in that attempting to do so it will have more in common with Star Wars EU or Spider-Man comics. What precisely is the state of Aunt May now? Alive? Dead? Remember when it turned out that her death was just an actress. Or Spider-Man made a deal with the devil that undid several years of character development. That was absolutely terrible.

And come on, that scenario you described is just ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous.

It is ridiculous. But so was Galactica 1980 and AfterMash.

[Warhawk7137]

Taleroth wrote...

It can be long-running. There's a 99% probability in that attempting to do so it will have more in common with Star Wars EU or Spider-Man comics. What precisely is the state of Aunt May now? Alive? Dead? Remember when it turned out that her death was just an actress. Or Spider-Man made a deal with the devil that undid several years of character development. That was absolutely terrible.

But consider the reason why Discworld pulled it off - the only common thread is the world.  It's not constrained by individual characters or plots.  There's, what, only like 4 or 5 books where Rincewind is the main character, after he was the main character in the first 2 books?  He's a great character, but if all the books were about him, it would have gone stale pretty damn fast.  There's simply a massive amount of different characters and stories.

Can't do that with Spider-Man, for obvious reasons.

So, yes, if they keep making games about Shepard and/or Reapers, then it will get old.  But if they take a chance and start to tell new stories, with new characters and new themes, then the universe could very well go on as long as Discworld and still be fresh.

Also consider that in terms of the Star Wars EU, a lot of the most interesting stuff tends to be the ones with new and interesting stories and characters.  That's why KOTOR is so great.  That's why Thrawn was a great idea.

[Taleroth]

Discworld pulled it off because Pratchett is a true genius. And he is the only one writing those books. He is not a team of people with conflicting opinions on what the books mean. And because they're humor books, so any retcons can be played for a joke.

Star Wars EU is filled to the brim with absolutely terrible junk. Zahn's work is alright, but even he delved into trying to rewrite the Empire as fighting a greater threat. He is the only EU worth reading. And KOTOR can't even decide if it is Star Wars, half the time. Shield belts? Personal cloaking technology? Everyone and their dog using swords?

Modifié par Taleroth, 13 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[Warhawk7137]

Oh, I agree, Pratchett is a genius. No argument there.

I'm just saying that other established universes can learn a few things from him in terms of taking some risks and going in completely new and unexpected directions, instead of rehashing the same characters and themes over and over.

[Taleroth]

Completely new and unexpected directions for established franchises serves no purpose except to muddy the franchise itself. When you can accomplish same thing with new franchises, without risking absurd retcons of old material and violations of the setting's themes.

At one point in Star Wars history, the EU turned the second Death Star into an IG-88. What's the point of that? How are we benefited by those Ewok movies existing?

Modifié par Taleroth, 13 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[Horacio Zhao]

I want ME4, even Shepard is not playable in that game, I´d like to see him happy. Come on, the guy tried to solve every problem the universe have, barely has his own life, and you just let him die without even a chance to see his loved one again?That´s just cruel!!

[Warhawk7137]

I appreciate your argument, Taleroth, but I do think that there are some good, fresh stories still to be told in the universe. I don't think it's quite tapped out yet.

[Zelf19]

Shepard and his team is Mass Effect !!! If they want to take out Shepard, do the game with other name !!!! Please Bioware, dont ruin the game like Call of Duty !!! I Beg if you, if you want to do Mass Effect, do another trilogy with Shepard !

[Nilofeliu]

I always thought that Mass Effect 4 would have Sheppard retired as an Admiral or in the Council member (something like that) and we, with our new character, would be able to talk to him (in case he survived of course) and all.

And the new threat would come from one of the other galaxies, which had been kept at bay by the existence of the Reapers, but now were free to come to our galaxy and dominate it.

P.S. I really whish the game story had taken us to the Reaper's resting place to fight them there, instead of waiting for them to come over...

[Desecrator]

Nilofeliu wrote...

I always thought that Mass Effect 4 would have Sheppard retired as an Admiral or in the Council member (something like that) and we, with our new character, would be able to talk to him (in case he survived of course) and all.

And the new threat would come from one of the other galaxies, which had been kept at bay by the existence of the Reapers, but now were free to come to our galaxy and dominate it.

P.S. I really whish the game story had taken us to the Reaper's resting place to fight them there, instead of waiting for them to come over...

Same...

[ShepnTali]

ME 3 being the end of the trilogy, the horrible finish was bad enough, but we most likely had to let go of some incredible characters we connected with, and that stings. I want more of them, and Shepard, but if there's no more story to tell with this bunch, forcing it would be even more disasterous.

[Phoenix NL]

I find it hard to see where the Mass Effect universe can go from the ending we've been given. With the universe as it existed before the destruction of the relays etc it was full or opportunities for expansion. We could have followed Aria's attempt to retake Omega, the rebuilding of the Asari homeworld, find out if the Krogan truly change, seen if the peace between the Geth and the Quarians last and if the Rachni continue to honor their promise? With this ending what could they do - a game about those who remain alive fighting over whatever meager resources are left in the Sol system?? I'm fine with this being the last game for Shepard, as sad as I am to say goodbye to such a fantastic character I can understand that they want to look at different avenues. What I do want however is a good ending to Shepard's story, one where all her sacrifices and hard choices are worth it and she's protected those that she cares about. If she has to die then I can accept it (though I'd prefer if she didn't) but for me give Shepard the reward she deserves. If there are future games in this series and they somehow get over the debacle that is the ending of this one it would be cool to have a Shepard cameo but if nothing else I think it's about time that Shepard was promoted to Admiral considering what she's done for the galaxy! )

[KainrycKarr]

Desecrator wrote...

Well title says it all, Bioware should stop noobing out and bring Shepard and the core companions back in ME4.

I dont understand why Bioware wants to stop the Shepard story in Mass Effect, they should make it so that Shepard IS Bioware just like Master Chief IS Xbox.

Lets be honost for a moment, most of us (if not all of us) want Shepard to continue his Legacy as the main character in future Mass Effect games, and we want to see the core companions back aswell.

So Bioware, stop trying to make things a hell of a lot more complicated and keep it simple... Gives us Shepard and his team back in future Mass Effect Games! That way you keep everyone happy AND you make alot more money... It really is that simple...

P.S Im not english and im trying my best to word what im thinking, sorry if i messed it up a bit

No.

Give us an end to Shepard's story, but make it a well-written and detailed one.

[TheDove]

No. Just no. This thread is everything wrong with Mass Effect.

No.

[Phoenix NL]

Another quick thought, it would be really interesting to have something in ME4 like they had in the Embers video for AC2:Revelations where you see Ezio living with Sophia and their children and he is approached for help and advice. Potentially a similar situation with Shepard? Oh I do live in hope don't I? ;op

[Unit-Alpha]

I won't buy the next game without Shepard, even if we get our DLC. Sorry, ME is about Shepard. It's gonna be like the new Bourne movie.

[Aedan276]

Desecrator wrote...

Well title says it all, Bioware should stop noobing out and bring Shepard and the core companions back in ME4.

I dont understand why Bioware wants to stop the Shepard story in Mass Effect, they should make it so that Shepard IS Bioware just like Master Chief IS Xbox.

Lets be honost for a moment, most of us (if not all of us) want Shepard to continue his Legacy as the main character in future Mass Effect games, and we want to see the core companions back aswell.

So Bioware, stop trying to make things a hell of a lot more complicated and keep it simple... Gives us Shepard and his team back in future Mass Effect Games! That way you keep everyone happy AND you make alot more money... It really is that simple...

P.S Im not english and im trying my best to word what im thinking, sorry if i messed it up a bit

Don't care if they make another Mass Effect game that takes place in the ruins of galactic civilzation tryng to rebuild, but I want a satisfying finish to the Shepard arc and the Reaper War before I consider buying it. 

I have no incentive to believe our emotional stake will be rewarded with another five-year spanning series. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 13 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Karrie788]

No. Right now I want an actual conclusion to Shepard's story.

Then leave the poor guy/gal alone. He/She's been through enough.

Modifié par Karrie788, 13 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[DanSbez]

I think its fine for Shepard and friends to take a break, let some new blood move in for the next game. Still...won't matter to me because the current ME3 endings ruined everything...

[Korhiann]

We knew this would be Shepard's last mission, one way or the other. I don't see any reason for Bioware to go back on that and make more ME games with Shepard as the main character.
Also Bioware is most certainly more than just the Mass Effect series or Shepard.They've had other great IP's throughout their history and they will hopefully create new fantastic IP's in the future. I don't believe it's a good thing to just keep milking a franchise as the developers become too bugged down in that specific IP to be able to make anything else.

Modifié par Korhiann, 13 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Avissel]

 I'd like an ending where he doesn't have to die, sure. But it's time to let him rest at the main character. Lets somebody else take over the spotlight. Shepard has paid his dues and done his time, I just wanted him to finally be able to relax.

[ScotGaymer]

No i am quite happy with him dead.

It is foreshadowed throughout the trilogy that he was unlikely to make it out alive. But I WOULD like a reasonable sensible conclusion to the story.
And for the galaxy to not be ruined, for the Alliance to actually - ya know - win.

[Ratham]

I want Garrus / Tali in future ME games

[Meltemph]

No..just no. I dont need Shep back at all. And the idea that a franchise has to use the same character is borderline, out of touch with reality.

[sirisaacx]

One of the greatest achievements of Mass Effect 3 was that they were able to conclude the character arc of just about every major character and Conrad Verner in the game. Even shepard gets an arc. Why would you want to keep a character once their arc is done? We got to watch them evolve, and we fell in love with the characters from the series, but I'd love to see what new vivid characters bioware can introduce in future games. All stories have to end. Well except Mass effect 3, but that's another issue...