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[calabain]

Didn't read through the entire thread, but "letting it go" never made any set of writers or game developers better. They need criticism and should thrive off of it, as much as it sucks to hear.

And yeah, the endings really sucked, and not just cause they're sad. I dunno...its so far off the tone of the rest of the game and so weird that it seems odd that it'd make it off the drawing floor that on some level I think the indoctrination folks are right, but that seems like too meta for Bioware and, frankly, I don't think they're creative enough to pull something like that off.

Rest of the game was awesome though. It just sucks that the most important part of the story, the end, left such a bad taste in my mouth

[hitorihanzo]

Ben Shep wrote...

To everyone out there complaining about the ending and posting your bitter posts like the world has come to an end.

LET IT GO!

Just move on to something else.

No. Thank you and good day.

[Vasarkian]

Assets don't matter, until they do your ending will never change logically.

[Volus Warlord]

rastakore wrote...

BSN:

MOAR ICE CREAM! NEED MORE ICE CREAM!

[Ex0dus_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

She's a let-down. 

How can you say that? She's gorgeous!

crazyrabbits wrote...

Is there anything I, the customer, deserve? I deserve not letting a company's proprietary software system snoop in my PC and report back to it while I'm playing a game. I deserve not to be nickel-and-dimed for content that is already partially on-disk. I deserve not having the company I buy products from continually releasing erroneous and misleading statements that turn out to be untrue. And I'm entitled to vote with my dollar and not support this, even though I bought the previous games.

Honestly, the complaining about the complaining is getting to be just as bad.

 

You don't "deserve" anything.

If you like a product, you support it.

If you don't like a product, you don't support it.

But you don't go around trying to make companies make their products like YOU want them to be.

No one's saying "SIT DOWN SHUT UP AND LIKE IT!" I'm saying, vote with your wallet instead of saying you "deserve" something from BW, when you don't.

Ok, lets try this
If a corporation intentionally or unintentionally puts ratpoison in their product, you buy it, eat it and subsequantly die, can the corporation be held responsible?
By your logic, the corp should not be, because you bought the product, eventhough the corporation lied to you, and falsely advertised their food, they can't be guilty, because at the end, you made the choice of buying it.

The example is extreme, but the principle is the same. A corporation should not be held responsible for anything, because at the end of the day, the consumer makes the choice whether to buy product/service or not.
You are actively AGAINST telling a corporation that they are selling ratpoison, because its their right to misled people and sell it to them.

[Vasarkian]

INCOMPLETE PRODUCT, ASSETS DO NOT MATTER.

[AK318]

I have benn there since the beggining I have put YEARS of my life into but I feel the endings were fine, they might not be what you wanted but I feel that they will take this series into new and unexplored areas. My god this is begging to sound like star trek.

[Too Few Names]

@Ex0dus_ : False advertising sucks, but rat poison and a single, less than satisfctory ending are not the same. Your example makes your argument seem... less than credible. Not saying you are wrong, but that maybe you need a more... reasonable... argument. Just sayin'.

Modifié par Too Few Names, 13 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[AK318]

to be honest with games coming out incomplete nearley all of them are as they don't give themseleves enough time their all scared of being duke nukem

[Linus108]

I'm sorry, but this isn't going to go away.

Believe me, as someone that was a fan of LOST when it ended, people still to this day rag on how awful the ending is. Mass Effect is going to share a similar fate. It will mostly be remembered for the god awful ending despite having a wonderful journey.

It's just how these things go. If you are tired of hearing it now, it won't get any better. So my suggestion to OP is for him to move on. 

Modifié par Linus108, 13 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[AK318]

Listen this is the internet when ME4 comes out WHICH IT WILL (guaranteed) everyone complaining will most likely by it as with DA3 it is the way life for us gamers is, we sign petitions, write angry letters but we will all but the next one, look at the internet and the modern warfare games. I just burnned myself didn't I...Yeah I just did. We so SILLLLY

Modifié par AK318, 13 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Vasarkian]

AK318 wrote...

Listen this is the internet when ME4 comes out everyone complaining will most likely by it as with DA3 it is the way life for us gamers is, we sign petitions, write angry letters but we will all but the next one, look at the internet and the modern warfare games. I just burnned myself didn't I...Yeah I just did. We so SILLLLY

I will not buy DA3, I will borrow it from a friend with their account or rent it or borrow it from a renter.

I will not buy ME4.

You do not release an ILLEGAL PRODUCT and then expect me to go buying more ILLEGALLY INCOMPLETE PRODUCTS.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Ben Shep wrote...

To everyone out there complaining about the ending and posting your bitter posts like the world has come to an end.

LET IT GO!

Just move on to something else.

Nope.

[Ex0dus_]

Too Few Names wrote...

@Ex0dus_ : False advertising sucks, but rat poison and a single, less than satisfctory ending are not the same. Your example makes your argument seem... less than credible. Not saying you are wrong, but that maybe you need a more... reasonable... argument. Just sayin'.

I said the example is extreme, but the principle is the exact same. You buy something, so shut up and don't even dare complain. You don't have any right, but the right of ownership, in case of videogames, you dont even have that.

[Underlaw]

Why u dont let your money go in my pocket?? U can let it go and live well...
I buy a product not finished, i need a complete product, like developers say " your actions will count in the end of the game." THIS IS A LIE!

[Lee T]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

But you don't go around trying to make companies make their products like YOU want them to be.

No one's saying "SIT DOWN SHUT UP AND LIKE IT!" I'm saying, vote with your wallet instead of saying you "deserve" something from BW, when you don't.

I haven't played the game yet so I don't care about the ending much, yet.

However I'd say the industry had it coming.

Making the customer used to piecemeal games through online patching and DLC has it's fallout. And I do believe that this campaign is just that. There will be post ending DLCs, I would be very very surprised if there isn't. It's only fair for those irate by the ending to voice their concerns in the hope that those post ending DLC checks all the little boxes.If you don't like the main course will you wait for after the dessert to complain?

It's just feedback, it's not intented for us, it's for Bioware's ears and they should listen to that feedback, wether we like it or not, wether they like or not, and even if they don't intend to act on it.

[Altered Idol]

I would have no problem with the ending had this been one of several divergent outcomes. We've invested hundreds of hours into this series, only to be forced down a singular path. Surely its not too much to ask that those of us who wanted a cheesy happy ending had that as an option. Likewise, some may have wished for a worst case scenario ending where the Reaper win. Effectively, all playthroughs are going to end up practically the same, so where is the replay value and what was the point of all those decisions we've made throughout the trilogy?

[Ex0dus_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Ex0dus_ wrote...

Ok, lets try this
If a corporation intentionally or unintentionally puts ratpoison in their product, you buy it, eat it and subsequantly die, can the corporation be held responsible?
By your logic, the corp should not be, because you bought the product, eventhough the corporation lied to you, and falsely advertised their food, they can't be guilty, because at the end, you made the choice of buying it.

The example is extreme, but the principle is the same. A corporation should not be held responsible for anything, because at the end of the day, the consumer makes the choice whether to buy product/service or not.
You are actively AGAINST telling a corporation that they are selling ratpoison, because its their right to misled people and sell it to them.

That's not a good example, because the ratpoison is actively harmful. We're not talking about something actively harmful.

I don't think a corporation "shouldn't be held responsible" for anything. I think it should be held responsible for basic things like safety concerns, that type of thing.

But when the salsbery steak (I've never had it, I've just heard of it) company changes their product, and says "ten times better than the original!" and everyone tastes it and 90% think it's horrible, people don't say "I DESERVE a better steak from salsbery!" No, they say, "that was awful, I'm never eating that again." and take their business, and likely those around them, elsewhere.

If a product is falsely advertised (intentionaly), then costumers have right to both complain and demand reparations. It is actually in the law, but obviously one person won't go after the big corporation to demand reparations for one steak. Obviously you will take your business elsewhere, but by law, you deserve a better steak.

If the misleading happens unintentionaly, well, then it's a completely different case. In Bioware's case, i can't believe that they accidentaly misled people for 5 years. I mean that sounds quite weird.

Modifié par Ex0dus_, 13 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[Vasarkian]

Ex0dus_ wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Ex0dus_ wrote...

Ok, lets try this
If a corporation intentionally or unintentionally puts ratpoison in their product, you buy it, eat it and subsequantly die, can the corporation be held responsible?
By your logic, the corp should not be, because you bought the product, eventhough the corporation lied to you, and falsely advertised their food, they can't be guilty, because at the end, you made the choice of buying it.

The example is extreme, but the principle is the same. A corporation should not be held responsible for anything, because at the end of the day, the consumer makes the choice whether to buy product/service or not.
You are actively AGAINST telling a corporation that they are selling ratpoison, because its their right to misled people and sell it to them.

That's not a good example, because the ratpoison is actively harmful. We're not talking about something actively harmful.

I don't think a corporation "shouldn't be held responsible" for anything. I think it should be held responsible for basic things like safety concerns, that type of thing.

But when the salsbery steak (I've never had it, I've just heard of it) company changes their product, and says "ten times better than the original!" and everyone tastes it and 90% think it's horrible, people don't say "I DESERVE a better steak from salsbery!" No, they say, "that was awful, I'm never eating that again." and take their business, and likely those around them, elsewhere.

If a product is falsely advertised (intentionaly), then costumers have right to both complain and demand reparations. It is actually in the law, but obviously one person won't go after the big corporation to demand reparations for one steak. Obviously you will take your business elsewhere, but by law, you deserve a better steak.

If the misleading happens unintentionaly, well, then it's a completely different case. In Bioware's case, i can't believe that they accidentaly misled people for 5 years. I mean that sounds quite weird.

Oh it's beyond that.

People go to prison for releasing incomplete products and calling them complete and forcing you to pay to complete them.

[Wise Men]

Interesting editorial about "gamer entitlement" Here

[Linus108]

Wise Men wrote...

Interesting editorial about "gamer entitlement" Here

It's a poorly done video/argument though.

[Oron345]

I honestly didn't mind how it ended, it could have been better, a lot better, but I am fine with how it was.