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[DarkKnightCuron]

I'm a bit of a rogue on this topic. It does my ego good to see myself at the top of the charts, especially with my Turian and Revenant Machine gun. It's not so much a bragging right to the rest of the players, but the scoreboard at the end of the match lets me know I effectively pulled my weight. Because of this, I'm often motivated to keep moving in order to find more enemies to attack and prove I'm doing my part. I may not get a whole lot of kills (I think my average is around 40 - 50?), but I get an insane amount of assists due to the fire rate and spread of the Revenant.

So, all in all, the scoreboard doesn't necessarily mean "better than thou," but more like an indicator of how well you are performing in regards to the rest of the team. I've noticed some of the best games are when everyone has almost equal scores (meaning everyone performed well, covered each others' backs, and everyone made it out alive) rather than some of the disproportionate scores I sometimes see.

[PirateT138]

X2 for DarkKnightCuron's reply.

Individual score is important to know if someone's truly slacking.

If everyone is pretty much at the same point in the 5 digits and someone else has barely broken 2k they're getting the boot. Even at gold where the amount of total points is much higher the disparity should never be greater than a 10-15K b/w top and bottom.

You can learn to play in single player.

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Find people who are cool (usually this forum), build a friends list, no one on this forum I've played with cares about such trivialities, I've come in first and fourth and no one cares as long as you arent a burden to the team (dying every 5 second!)

lol i actually have friends that **** about kill stealing too.

[A Wild Snorlax]

I like being at the top because I'm pretty experienced with shooter games and whatnot, in games like cod I hate not being top but in this game I don't care, probably just meant that my teammates played well and we won without me having to stress out too much so props to them when it happens. I would prefer having teammates that are good and can hold their own over me having to overextend myself to win, all that matters in this game is winning since all is shared at the end anyway.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 13 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[beyond.wudge01]

XSoULrEaPerX wrote...

It should not show individual scores. People forget what is most important in the match and that is completing all waves, earning credits, unlocking stuff and having fun. In my opinion it should show only one score. The teams total score with all their points together. (:

Fun for you maybe but a lot of people want feedback on how they did.

Honestly, individual scores give a lot of motivation for some people to perform, people like myself.

If I leveled up faster based on my score I'd be trying much harder each map.

Right now I relax a lot because once I hit 75 kills it doesn't seem to track over that and the team doesn't need much more from me to win.

So having it be 'team team team' doesn't always bring about the best play from everyone.

[Mandolin]

Playing devils advocate, there is a compromise here. Show people their individual scores, medals and even ranking but dont make the information public to the whole team.

[Father Alvito]

PirateT138 wrote...

Individual score is important to know if someone's truly slacking.

More importantly, it significantly affects how much I care about reviving any given teammate.  The score lets me know who is essential enough to be worth taking significant risks/using consumables to revive, and who can safely be left on the ground if they die in a bad spot.

When I play with friends, we compete for score and **** about kill thefts as an amusing side game.  It's not worth taking seriously, but it can be a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously.  This also helps keep everyone focused, which can become a problem after an hour or two of Gold runs.

Modifié par Father Alvito, 13 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[GodlessPaladin]

What's worse is that the stupid people who care about kills will often intentionally do things to hurt the team effort in order to lower the score of their allies and raise their own, such as shooting AI hacked geth rocket troopers when surrounded by other targets on Gold, letting allies bleed out if they score highly, trying to steal wounded enemy kills that a krogan soldier is charging at so that he can't get a blood rage, not firing a sniper rifle shot on an enemy like a Prime or an Atlas until it has low enough health that he can be sure he'll get the kill rather than the assist, or a vanguard charging out to the other side of the map when he ought to be hacking a terminal.

These people are not only bad teammates, they're often worse than no teammate at all.  And they STILL lose on the scorecards.

As for score telling how essential a player is:  It is at best a ballpark estimate, and at worst extremely misleading as to a player's performance, since a lot of extremely useful actions DO NOT earn you many points.  I regularly get 100,000-140,000 points on Gold playing my Mantis-wielding infiltrator or my vanguard, but I can contribute just as much without quite the same score by triggerring tech / biotic bursts, stunlocking, and removing shields with abilities like Overload with other classes.  And heck, you can easily have two infiltrators who have the same score, and yet one be far more essential to the team effort because one does the objectives and uses cloak to revive 20 teammates in a game.  Those aren't things you get lots of points for, and to pretend they're not much more important than a few extra kills just demonstrates that those posters do not know how to play the game.  And as my Vanguard that usually gets 140k points, if I'm paired up with an Adept setting up biotic explosions for me, I actually get LESS points (because the kill points are shared amongst the two of us) and yet take down gold waves twice as fast and twice as safely (including making very short work of big heavy targets).  In this case, I'm contributing more to the team in the situation where I'm earning less points (but much more XP and money for time invested).

Father Alvito wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Individual score is important to know if someone's truly slacking.

More
importantly, it significantly affects how much I care about reviving
any given teammate.  The score lets me know who is essential enough to
be worth taking significant risks/using consumables to revive, and who
can safely be left on the ground if they die in a bad spot.

When I
play with friends, we compete for score and **** about kill thefts as
an amusing side game.  It's not worth taking seriously, but it can be a
lot of fun if you don't take it seriously.  This also helps keep
everyone focused, which can become a problem after an hour or two of
Gold runs.

This is a foolish notion.  A far better indicator of who you ought to revive would be a modicum of tactical awareness, and understanding who plays what roles in your team, how well that role is being executed, and how essential that role is at a given point in a wave.  I've regularly run into situations where a high scoring player was most definitely NOT the one carrying the team.  Locking down enemies, weakening defenses, setting up explosions, reviving teammates, focus firing key targets, and accomplishing objectives do not get you a high score... farming troopers does.  And farming troopers does not a Gold win make.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[beyond.wudge01]

Mandolin wrote...

Playing devils advocate, there is a compromise here. Show people their individual scores, medals and even ranking but dont make the information public to the whole team.

Gives even less sense of community to pick up games though.

GodlessPaladin wrote...

What's worse is that the stupid people who care about kills will often intentionally do things to hurt the team effort in order to lower the score of their allies and raise their own, such as shooting AI hacked geth rocket troopers when surrounded by other targets on Gold, letting allies bleed out if they score highly, trying to steal wounded enemy kills that a krogan soldier is charging at so that he can't get a blood rage, or not firing a sniper rifle shot on an enemy like a Prime or an Atlas until it has low enough health that he can be sure he'll get the kill.  

These people are not only bad teammates, they're often worse than no teammate at all.  And they STILL lose on the scorecards.

 

Look, I think Vanguards are bigger culprits of 'playing their own game' than anyone else. The number of times I'm rolling past Brutes and sprinting around Banshees to revive a Vanguard to simply watch him just charge again because, I mean gosh, "his power is biotic charge and he has to get his barrier back."

I mean they don't even think about who they are charging. They just spam it as if they can't do anything else (like roll away...) and like their gun is totally useless. :/

GodlessPaladin wrote... 
This is a foolish notion.  A far better indicator of who you ought to revive would be a modicum of tactical awareness, and understanding who plays what roles in your team, how well that role is being executed, and how essential that role is at a given point in a wave.  I've regularly run into situations where a high scoring player was most definitely NOT the one carrying the team.  Locking down enemies, weakening defenses, setting up explosions, reviving teammates, focus firing key targets, and accomplishing objectives do not get you a high score... farming troopers does.  And farming troopers does not a Gold win make.

Honestly, you are being a bit silly. He is hardly talking about who topped. He is talking about people who are seriously not pulling their weight and then putting everyone else out by how they are playing. This form of triage based on score is completely legitimate.

Modifié par beyond.wudge01, 13 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Look, I think Vanguards are bigger culprits of 'playing their own game' than anyone else. The number of times I'm rolling past Brutes and sprinting around Banshees to revive a Vanguard to simply watch him just charge again because, I mean gosh, "his power is biotic charge and he has to get his barrier back."

I mean they don't even think about who they are charging. They just spam it as if they can't do anything else (like roll away...) and like their gun is totally useless. :/

While I've certainly seen terrible vanguard players, I don't think this is true... I've seen many vanguard exhibit excellent teamwork, and heck, I've had people complement me on how well I work as a teammate vanguard (especially since I always pay attention to setting off biotic explosions of teammates).  I've also seen atrociously bad teamwork from every class in roughly equal proportions on my gold runs (nevermind just baffling build decisions, like equipping an infiltrator with an assault rifle).  Vanguards can be amazing teammates, and once you see one clearing out an entire Gold wave in a minute or two with a team that takes advantage of them by setting up multiple biotic explosions per nova, you'll never want to play an Adept without one around :-p

The single most annoying thing for me is that when I play a high scoring class (such as my infiltrator or vanguard), is that if I'm in a random group and they seem me basically solo waves when they're all down or get 120,000+ points, the next thing I know everyone in the room has switched to an infiltrator or vanguard.  And then they still get a third of my score because they don't synergize with me and they don't get in to nova in the right places or headshot as fast as me.  A team of four vanguards is a bad idea... Banshees will randomly eat people without proper cover and staggers.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[ilego]

I Agree I hate it Too if anybody has Xbox Live Look me up I am a good team player

[Sereaph502]

Because in a team game people can't seem to judge how important they are based on the entire team surviving the round, so even if they know the points they get are meaningless they still force themselves to believe that more points = better player.

[Dangerfoot]

The problem with players that tally up kills seems to be that they often forget that we need to be hacking or standing in the extraction zone.

[GracefulChicken]

I admit I check my team scores to see if a given revival is worth it. Wave 10, last objective, someone dies. I check the scores, and he's the last by a good 15k points? Not risking myself to rez him. If everyone has even scores, chances are it was a good game and we completed it. Whenever I see scores like (for example):

15093
13203
11157
1055

Guess who isn't getting a rez? Of course, this differs if they just joined the game in progress.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

It makes them feel important.

[GodlessPaladin]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

It makes them feel important.

And the problem is that score all too often gives a false sense of importance, since it does not accurately measure the degree of one's contributions to a team's success.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[RicHSAD]

Ultimately, the goal of the game is to survive and in order to achieve that goal, you have to kill the incoming enemies. If you have a low score then chances are that you aren't doing meaningful damage which is definitely a concern in a survival type of game. Some classes are more support oriented, but even those classes can reach good score in the right hands. People that ignore objectives and just go for the kills will generally make their team lose at one point or another, so it's not like they get good scores in the end anyway.

The score is definitely not a perfect representation of the contribution of a player, but when the top player in a game has 3 times the score of the lowest, I think it is pretty safe to say who got the most work done.

Modifié par RicHSAD, 13 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[TheLostGenius]

well you made him waste his missiles. He was PO'd.

[Nomen Mendax]

Fortack wrote...

How the heck do you know the reason why they've kicked you is beyond me.

I have played matches which went public to get another player (or two) because friends were unavailable at the time. When the match is over, and friends are waiting to join, we kick the unknown players to make room for friends. Nothing personal, unrelated to their performance, playstyle, class, kills or whatever.

Do you tell them that's why you are kicking them?  Because that might be a nice thing to do.

[Ironsandshrew]

Credits are more important to me than kills to me, I do hate it though when me and another player fire a rocket at an atlas at the same time just because I hate wasting those rockets.

[Cloaking_Thane]

AndyXTheXGamer360 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Find people who are cool (usually this forum), build a friends list, no one on this forum I've played with cares about such trivialities, I've come in first and fourth and no one cares as long as you arent a burden to the team (dying every 5 second!)

lol i actually have friends that **** about kill stealing too.

That's dumb

[DarkKnightCuron]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Those aren't things you get lots of points for, and to pretend they're not much more important than a few extra kills just demonstrates that those posters do not know how to play the game. 

I'm actually pretty sure how to play the game and what it takes to really win and get the group through the mission.  Obviously, certain actions yield more points than others, but the accumulation of those points still gives an indication as to that player's overall activity and performance.  Yes, reviving teammates and grabbing objectives is important, but killing enemies while that is taking place is important too.  I'd rather secure a location from hostile forces before (or while) someone attempts to revive a teammate, and the rest of us have to protect a person trying to hack a terminal.  Both of those boil down to suppressing, incapacitating, or killing targets.

I'm not saying objectives and revives are secondary to kills, but killing enemies is a VERY IMPORTANT part of this game.

The point totals at the end of each match are a fairly accurate indication of someone's performance and activity.  Obviously, that Vanguard is going to remember you if you picked him back up after each of his seven deaths, and he's going to appreciate it.  That soldier is going to remember your name if you're continually volunteer to take care of an objective while he protects you.  You're still gaining points from those actions, and those smaller chunks of points add up to an impressive total at the end of the match, indicating  your total performance.  This isn't me saying "top guy was awesome, all others were failures,"  but if someone doesn't carry their own weight in a mission, it's hard to justify keeping him around. 

In the army, if you continually didn't keep up with the rest of your squad or failed to perform your duties while in combat, you were quickly replaced.  Why?  Because when the bullets start flying, we need to know we can trust people at our side to get things done.  

beyond.wudge01 wrote...
Honestly, you are being a bit silly.
He is hardly talking about who topped. He is talking about people who
are seriously not pulling their weight and then putting everyone else
out by how they are playing. This form of triage based on score is
completely legitimate.

During periods of intense combat, I can agree with this.  There's only so much your squad can do for you while several Atlas'/Brutes/Primes are bearing down on the squad when you're down, but if you've shown yourself to be competant and effective (Those with effective skills with heavy weapons, support classes, Vanguards that know what they're doing, etc), you bet someone's going to take the risk and try to get you back up and running. 

[PimpingPanda]

less work for 70k credit? y care?

[ilego]

NikkoJT wrote...

I care about kill stealing not because of scorecharts or credits, but because it's so damn frustrating to have enemies sniped out from under my heavy melee. Also, this:

Me: "Okay, just 3 guys over here, no problem, I'll just..."
Other guy: "OH HAI LET ME HELP YOU WITH THAT -blam- -blam- -blam-"

I hate that too