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[Ecael]

This is a continuation of the Worst Possible Playthrough thread that I started 2 more than years ago. I know, the title makes it sound like it's a post about how horribly disappointing the ending was.

Speaking of disappointment, imagine my disappointment when I realized that my Morinth/Kasumi playthrough led to empty spaces on the Normandy Memorial Wall...

Missing Names:

Zaeed Massani - Died in his loyalty mission, was not put on wall
Samara - Died in her loyalty mission, was not put on wall
Morinth - Doesn't appear until the end mission (as a Banshee), would not be on wall anyway?
Ashley/Kaidan - Virmire Survivor will appear if you killed them during Priority: Citadel 2
Kasumi Goto - Can't die in Mass Effect 3

There's still at least 4 more people I can put on that wall. Instead, it would be best to go back and kill everyone off except Wrex, Mordin, Tali and Legion - specifically for the choices listed below.

Mass Effect 3's 'Bad' Choices
-Allow the Tuchanka timed mission to run out
-Let Admiral Koris die on Rannoch
-Let the Salarian Councilor die (requires both Thane and Major Kirrahe to be dead prior to ME3?)
-Shoot the Virmire Survivor during the Citadel Takeover
-Sabotage the genophage cure (lets Shepard shoot Mordin and Wrex himself, lose Krogan War Assets)
-Let Legion upload the Reaper code without ceasefire (to ensure Quarian genocide and Tali dead)
-Effective Military Strength below 2,650 and destroy all synthetics (Geth genocide, EDI dead and Earth devastated)
(Skip as many side quests as possible to reduce War Assets?)

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Remaining Mass Effect 1/2/3 Squadmates: Liara, James, Javik

Final Normandy Memorial Wall Death Count: 48?
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NOTE: If we assume that the squadmates on your run to the Citadel beam are supposed to be dead (which gets contradicted by the last cutscene), it would be best to leave Javik in stasis, forcing you to kill off Liara and James at the end and leave Joker by himself.

Mass Effect 2 Playthrough

All 12 loyalty missions completed.

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Final Squadmates: Tali, Legion and Mordin
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Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, Tali, Thane, Kasumi
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None
Chakwas & Crew: DEAD

-Fail Samara's loyalty by scaring away Morinth
-Fail Zaeed's loyalty by letting Vido get away (without Paragon option)
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Resolve Tali's loyalty mission with high Paragon or Renegade
-Resolve the Tali/Legion argument to make sure both are loyal
-Bring Legion and Tali to fight the Oculus (to be sure that Kasumi dies)

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Garrus and Tali, make sure Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Legion, Tali, Mordin, Zaeed (Zaeed dies)

Deaths, before landing
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser'd
Kasumi - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Zaeed - Died holding the line
Samara - Died at final boss
Miranda - Died at final boss

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Final Squadmates: Tali, Legion and Mordin
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Modifié par Ecael, 13 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Ecael]

As an added note, I'm not entirely sure that each of the choices listed above in Mass Effect 3 are the "worst" ones, although that may have been intentional.

Feel free to say otherwise.

[Nostradamoose]

I think having killed mordin and tali could lead to worse.

[Blayzereborn]

Did you do all the ME1/2 sidequests you could in ways that benefit Cerberus?

[Ecael]

Nostradamoose wrote...

I think having killed mordin and tali could lead to worse.

From what I've heard, having Tali dead (or exiled?) forces you to automatically side with the Quarians. Is this true?

[Kastrenzo]

Ecael wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

I think having killed mordin and tali could lead to worse.

From what I've heard, having Tali dead (or exiled?) forces you to automatically side with the Quarians. Is this true?

I tried searching for stuff on "Who Replaces Tali as Admiral if...", and such, theres remarkably little informaiton out there right now.

I wasn't about to make bad choices for her future though in ME2 and ME3 just for the sake of curiosity because I'm obsessed with the Charachter.


... i'm still irked by the possibility of Garrus/Tali if you dont get with one of them. Lol

Modifié par Kastrenzo, 13 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Ecael]

Kastrenzo wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

I think having killed mordin and tali could lead to worse.

From what I've heard, having Tali dead (or exiled?) forces you to automatically side with the Quarians. Is this true?

I tried searching for stuff on "Who Replaces Tali as Admiral if...", and such, theres remarkably little informaiton out there right now.

I wasn't about to make bad choices for her future though in ME2 and ME3 just for the sake of curiosity because I'm obsessed with the Charachter.


... i'm still irked by the possibility of Garrus/Tali if you dont get with one of them. Lol

You're right - even the Mass Effect Wiki doesn't say who replaces her, only that Admiral Raan acts as a substitute for important mission dialogue.

[Ecael]

Blayzereborn wrote...

Did you do all the ME1/2 sidequests you could in ways that benefit Cerberus?

Yes. Some of the choices concerning Cerberus did not have an effect.

Modifié par Ecael, 13 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[Conduit0]

Kasumi can die in ME3, if she wasn't loyal in ME2.

[Fogg]

Who showed up in the Normandy crashing on that planet-video?

[Ecael]

Conduit0 wrote...

Kasumi can die in ME3, if she wasn't loyal in ME2.

Noted. However, I had Kasumi loyal from my import, so she survived.

Kastrenzo wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

I think having killed mordin and tali could lead to worse.

From what I've heard, having Tali dead (or exiled?) forces you to automatically side with the Quarians. Is this true?

I tried searching for stuff on "Who Replaces Tali as Admiral if...", and such, theres remarkably little informaiton out there right now.

I wasn't about to make bad choices for her future though in ME2 and ME3 just for the sake of curiosity because I'm obsessed with the Charachter.


... i'm still irked by the possibility of Garrus/Tali if you dont get with one of them. Lol

Just completed the Rannoch mission with my Renegade Shepard - they don't even mention a new Admiral, so I assume they didn't bother to appoint one.

Also, with Legion dead from the Collector Base, I did not get the "Geth VI" that the Mass Effect Wiki mentions. Instead, I got a Legion clone that repeatedly proclaimed, "We are not Legion." That clone also did not remember any of the events from the Normandy.

With Legion and Tali dead, I was still able to side with the geth - Admiral Gerrel died with no ceasefire, and Admiral Raan shoots herself on Rannoch. I left Admiral Koris stranded there as well.

[swenson]

Ahaha, glorious. Glad to see the adventures of the Worst Shepard Ever continue into ME3!

[Excl]

Hey Ecael, been following these awesome threads since ME2. I'm trying to think of what the worst possible import would be. I'm currently halfway through a WPP, with everyone unloyal. I was thinking that having Morinth and a non-loyal Zaeed as your final two might be the best "worst" outcome, as you could kill Zaeed in his loyalty mission and have an import with only one character left ... however, I've heard that ME3 won't accept 1-teammate imports, plus I can't figure out how to end the game with just non-loyal Zaeed and Morinth.

That said, what was the worst possible ME2 import you can create?

Tali and Garrus dead ... leaves you without two squadmates, and two significant holes in the conversations.

Wrex, Legion, Mordin, Miranda and Thane dead ... leaves you with pretty big holes in the main prioriety missions.

Jacob, Jack and Samara dead ... you miss out on some major side quests.

Zaeed and Kasumi ... you miss out on two Citadel quests.

Morinth alive means you fight a Banshee at the end.


So if you're going for worst amount of "content missed ... I guess Morinth and Zaeed/Kasumi would be the worst to import? If you're going for most possible deaths, then I guess what you're saying is you need both Tali and Legion, and also Mordin? Couldn't you just let Mordin die from the ME2 import?

[Blennus]

When it comes to war assets I have compiled a list here of the worst possible playthrough

http://social.biowar.../index/10641464

I also believe that all squad members eventually end up dead except for James and Liara, (and Javik still being in stasis).

[KenLyns]

Looks like Zaeed's bugged:

[nullobject]

NOTE: If we assume that the squadmates on your run to the Citadel beam are supposed to be dead (which gets contradicted by the last cutscene), it would be best to leave Javik in stasis, forcing you to kill off Liara and James at the end and leave Joker by himself.

If you do a very low assets run, your final squad is absolutely dead.

You see them dead when you wake up, and the final "Gilligan's Planet" cutscene ends just as the Normandy door starts opening - so you don't see anyone get off, so they can't be resurrected there.

Kasumi can die in ME3, if she was not loyal in ME2

I tried to edit up a save like this but she still survived. Probably because her loyalty quest plot flags were still set (I didn't know the IDs), even though she was marked as not loyal in the squad flags.

[nullobject]

Excl wrote...

Wrex, Legion, Mordin, Miranda and Thane dead ... leaves you with pretty big holes in the main prioriety missions.

Jacob, Jack and Samara dead ... you miss out on some major side quests.

Zaeed and Kasumi ... you miss out on two Citadel quests.

Actually, all of those sidequests are still in, they just have different characters, or some altered dialog.

The Mordin replacement is especially good - I expect they did this because so many people had Mordin die holding the line.

[KenLyns]

If you use a worst-possible import from ME2, is it that different from a newly-created ME3 charcter?

[Captain Kibosh]

@Ecael

With a term like "worst possible" being at some point a subjective call, I wonder if you came across options where it really was hard to decide what actually constituted the worst possible result.

Case in point, ask anyone which was the worst EC ending, and you'll get a bazillion opinions!

[Blayzereborn]

It's obviously Refusal, because nothing you do matters and the next cycle just obeys Bioware's whims anyway.

[King Dragonlord]

Sorry if this breaks necropost rules but this is THE worst thread for ME3 so I thought I'd make my contribution.

I think its worst to let Jack live to ME3 and then don't save Grissom Academy. This way she gets caught by Cerberus and experimented on. 

To that end, you want to sleep with all your love interests in ME2 and dump each after. To do this, you talk each one up as far as they go pre Suicide Mission, quick save before each time you talk to them and load your quick save if they give you the "You have to choose" dialog. Have one fully talked up before the others and that one will sleep with you before the suicide mission. If that one survives the suicide mission, dump them (otherwise just move on) then go to the next one and tell them you want them (while not talking to the third). You should be able to talk them through all their remaining romance dialog in one go and hop straight to the sex scene. Then if you have another surviving love interest, you can dump the second and move onto the third.

Arguably, there are ways to screw over Tali, Jack and Miranda on a worst possible playthrough without them dying in ME2. Tali of course can witness her race's extinction and commit suicide. Jack, as I mentioned, can be kidnapped and experimented on by Cerberus which pretty much rivals what you do to Tali for sheer evil. Miranda can die tracking down her dad (if you don't offer her aid in ME3 when she asks) I can't remember if its Kai Leng or her father who kills her but either way its a pretty bad death.

Just as a personal opinion,  getting Grunt to survive the suicide mission but not be loyal is worse than having him die in ME2. This way, you can betray Grunt for the Rachni and he dies in that cave (made all the better if you killed the Rachni Queen in ME1 and you're betraying Grunt for the Reaper grown Rachni Queen who will in turn betray the Crucible team later.

EDIT: I'm not sure if its possible to both romance Miranda and kill her in ME2. I usually don't pursue that option but the times I have, it seems like Miranda won't let the romance dialog continue until after her loyalty mission. There's no way to do her loyalty mission without gaining her loyalty. The only way to lose her loyalty is during the argument with Jack and losing loyalty (I'm told) ends the romance. There's also no way to kill a loyal Miranda. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Modifié par King Dragonlord, 29 novembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[hot_heart]

While this has been necroed, I saw the title and thought someone was going to be talking about a Bastion (or Dark Tower) style ending.

How many people would've hated that?

[Chashan]

hot_heart wrote...

While this has been necroed, I saw the title and thought someone was going to be talking about a Bastion (or Dark Tower) style ending.

How many people would've hated that?

The game, I presume? The finish of that was mighty and quite well done.

And, lo and behold, it did not require the protagonist's death to fuel it either.


Anyway, as to the topic at hand: at mid-EMS, wasn't it even possible to have enough people killed at the memorial that Joker was almost the only attendant and the plaque bugged so that it floated in the air?

[King Dragonlord]

Chashan wrote...

Anyway, as to the topic at hand: at mid-EMS, wasn't it even possible to have enough people killed at the memorial that Joker was almost the only attendant and the plaque bugged so that it floated in the air?

Thats pretty funny.

But I'm not necessarily concerned about getting the lowest ems. I'm worried about worst or most evil consequences from a dramatic stand point. And none of the low ems ending kills are dramatically worse than the Refusal ending. Organizing a coalition to abandon conventional military strategy to build a mystery super weapon and then refusing to use the weapon is the height of evil. I think its hilarious that Bioware went back and included it and I love how they handled it. "Look, we made it clear throughout the story that this thing is your only salvation, but you wannna not use it because you don't like the choices? Fine."

[Chashan]

King Dragonlord wrote...

Chashan wrote...

Anyway, as to the topic at hand: at mid-EMS, wasn't it even possible to have enough people killed at the memorial that Joker was almost the only attendant and the plaque bugged so that it floated in the air?

Thats pretty funny.

But I'm not necessarily concerned about getting the lowest ems. I'm worried about worst or most evil consequences from a dramatic stand point. And none of the low ems ending kills are dramatically worse than the Refusal ending. Organizing a coalition to abandon conventional military strategy to build a mystery super weapon and then refusing to use the weapon is the height of evil. I think its hilarious that Bioware went back and included it and I love how they handled it. "Look, we made it clear throughout the story that this thing is your only salvation, but you wannna not use it because you don't like the choices? Fine."

Come to think of it, I may have misremembered and that scenario actually happens in low-EMS Ctrl.


If I may be blunt, vilifying any of the endings has gotten somewhat old, Refusal in particular. Especially given the fact that it beats the other finishes as far as ambiguity goes, which I view as a bonus there unlike the other options.