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[offensivename3730121]

/conspiracy theories

[Xenogias]

Why would it be free? Because contrary to what some of you seem to think the ME fanbase is one Bioware REALLY doesnt want to ****** off. They lost alot of trust with DA2. They lost alot of trust with SWTOR. And at this point they have lost alot of fans with ME3. You keep making your fans mad eventually they arent your fans anymore.

Bioware has gotten alot more leash from fans as a good single player RPG studio than most other dev teams do. And imo they have deserved it. However I am one fan that simply will not be buying another Bioware game at launch. From now on I will be waiting a few weeks to see what people are saying. And if reviews in the future are like they are for ME3 (from users not paid advertisers like IGN/Metacritic) I will simply wait till the game goes on sale which is a loss of income for them.

[cyborg2501]

Snow Wolf677 wrote...

No doubt the ending DLC will be free. Why? They finished before launch, as part of Mass Effect 3.
Why was it not included in the maingame?
Because right now, we're all sitting ducks here, creating any kind of theories, just because there was no real "ending". Waiting for this end will be a completely different experience when playing it, instead of having that end outright.

One point that's against all this theory though- We can't save after we destroyed the conduit, so we'd have to play it again. (though it would also give -everyone- the chance to get the real ending)

Yep. An emotional rollercoaster. That's why we love ME anyways, right? Massive amount of fan engagement and press will make for an epic end to the trilogy.

Plus, the game itself took a long time. By delaying the ending they have ample opportunity to make it perfect.

[Chaoswind]

I wouldn't buy it, no matter how ****ty the ending turns out to be, is the ending bioware choose.

This is a customer service issue, and is akin to staying in a hotel, enjoying your stay and then getting mistreated when you check out, if bioware doesn't fix this in their own accord then they lose potential customers, is as simple as that, if they mistreat me, I won't give the hotel good reviews, I won't tell my friends about and quite opposite I will tell them all about the mistreatment.

Is simple they lost a customer that won't defend them or talk highly of them.

[ChristianTh]

Well, I will buy an ending DLC and maybe other SP-DLC for THIS game.
But what ever they do, they lost my trust. Period.

[Vasarkian]

Since they released an incomplete game where the assets literally mean nothing at any point in the game, the point is that the game is incomplete, just like patches are released free to fix crashes and bugs, this DLC should be essentially a large patch that fixes the fact that assets mean nothing at any point and thus fixes that, and if it does, the endings will necessarily be modified to so as to respect that.

[sunnygsm]

Making extra DLC is going to take resources. If you want it, better be prepared to pay, no way they do it otherwise.

[BDelacroix]

StabGuy wrote...

'If' they were smart, they would have split Mass Effect 3 into episodes like Valve did with Halflife 2.

But no, they were stupid. This is the outcome of that decision.

Except valve quit before finishing. That wouldn't work.

[mozgalo]

i realy don't belive that there is anything wrong with the game(even when i havent yet played it). these ending's are all made for a possible new game...(if u dont understand watch interwiews with staff again)
it was said that with ME3 is the end of thriology but not the end of ME franchize so they probably have some kind of plan for possible sequels and/or game with similar theme (maybe even MMO)
so if your wish for that happy ever after end comes true u should take into account that it will be probably end of the franchize...
so to quote line frome some old super hero comic: "be careful what u wish..."

[Vasarkian]

mozgalo wrote...

i realy don't belive that there is anything wrong with the game(even when i havent yet played it). these ending's are all made for a possible new game...(if u dont understand watch interwiews with staff again)
it was said that with ME3 is the end of thriology but not the end of ME franchize so they probably have some kind of plan for possible sequels and/or game with similar theme (maybe even MMO)
so if your wish for that happy ever after end comes true u should take into account that it will be probably end of the franchize...
so to quote line frome some old super hero comic: "be careful what u wish..."

Your choices don't actually matter in the long-run, despite the fact you spend the entirety of the game building up assets these don't factor in in any meaningful way at any point in the game and it is solely that reason that the game is incomplete and it is because of that terrible incomplete factor that we have the endings we do.

[Kilshrek]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.

I think the argument here is, is that the whole product, right out of the box? If there is truly some story DLC that extends past the "ending", and then provides a more satisfactory ending, did we just experience the true ending that we paid money for? I'm just a step away from the ending and I really don't know if I want to find out. I may like my happy illusion that my Shep is happy with Liara, and that's an end of it. The galaxy may or may not be saved, the Reapers may or may not be destroyed, it's all left to me and my imagination. Once I go past the edge, there's no denying that the ending I experience is what Bioware wanted me to experience, and no matter how hard I tried, nothing was apparently good enough.

The word entitled gets thrown about too easily here, and it gets used too often where it shouldn't. The Mass Effect series is as much the emotional investment of those who have played it and those who have made it. Without the players there would be no Shepard, no ME 2, 3. With such an interactive medium, one where it is always emphasized that one little choice can affect many things, is it right that at the very end, nothing you do makes a difference?

Modifié par Kilshrek, 13 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[Fs_nao]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.

Is this sarcasm ? I hope so.

If the whole hallucination thing is true it means the game is sold without an ending.

Imagine you buy a book and the last 5 pages, where everything is put together and revealed aren't there. Now if the author released it later and charged for it, would you seriously willingly pay for these pages ?? Don't you think they should be in the book ?

[loungeshep]

After all the complaining and petitions you people better buy it.

I will and I liked the...one ending I've done.

[Gangsta914]

I still haven't beaten the game yet but I get the feeling I'm not going to like the endings. I understand the dark, sad endings but in a trilogy where I get to make a HUGE amounts of choices I expect that the endings in the final game will matter on my choices. I don't want to be pushed into a few different endings that are all depressing. I want at least a chance at a happy ending.

[Vasarkian]

It is illegal to release an incomplete product as if it was complete and to label it as such.

We were lied to directly and numerous quotes have and can continually be provided that prove this.

The issue is not a 5minute horrible ending it is the fact none of your choices ultimately matter nor does the entire premise of the game.

[LostHero2k9]

I am still hoping for a Mass Effect 3.5.
Like a "big" Addon or Mass Effect 4 which is the second half of the "take earth back" battle.

Because, to be honest, did we really saw those massive battles to take earh back as stated in all the marketing PR/hype/lies/what ever?
I did not see that. We had ONE final mission on the earth shooting some lousy reaper minions.
This is all but an epic battle to take back earth.

So i still have some hope left that we will see a "campain of warfare" on earth against the reapers. Wether it be an Addon or a "ME4".
If its a DLC it wouldn't be enough because it would be to "small"...

[Idontcare0101]

I would buy it also. Its a great game, endings are a bit sub-par but that would not prevent me from paying bioware money for work they do.

[Gangsta914]

Idontcare0101 wrote...

I would buy it also. Its a great game, endings are a bit sub-par but that would not prevent me from paying bioware money for work they do.

I agree. I love the game and it won't stop me from buying Bioware games but your choices don't effect the endings from what I understand. Why do that in a series that is all about making choices and making the game your game. I don't like being pushed into several different endings none of them being a happy ending. Even if the happy ending was extremely hard to get, I don't care I still want that chance to get it. 

Modifié par Gangsta914, 13 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[The Big Nothing]

There is a appropriate Mass Effect 3 ending DLC idea floating around.

Here it is: http://social.biowar...29/polls/29279/

[Cybermortis]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.

Incorrect logic.

If I buy a new car and discover that the handbrake doesn't work I do not expect to be asked to pay more money to fix the problem...Or maybe a better analogy would be being told that I can buy my car any colour, then turning up and realising that they only have the cars in three colours and if I want something else I have to pay for it to be re-sprayed.

The REAL issue behind this is that Bioware have been caught out either being misleading or outright lying about aspects of the game and its ending. They have ALSO been caught out lying about DLC. If they now 'release' additional endings and force us to pay for them...well going off various internet polls they will have risk loosing more potential customers than bought Dragon Age 2....

[Fs_nao]

The Big Nothing wrote...

There is a appropriate Mass Effect 3 ending DLC idea floating around.

Here it is: http://social.biowar...29/polls/29279/

No offense but I don't see the point of fan made endings. It doesn't replace the existing one in game.

And if bioware decide to release one it will be their own, first because they have writers, and second because after tali's face and stargazer's background they would be branded lazy even more.

[Rencor2k]

nupfi wrote...

I would defenitely buy it. Just to give the series the end it deserves!

Yeah but the "ending" it got isnt the real ending. 

[OMTING52601]

Cybermortis wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.

Incorrect logic.

If I buy a new car and discover that the handbrake doesn't work I do not expect to be asked to pay more money to fix the problem...Or maybe a better analogy would be being told that I can buy my car any colour, then turning up and realising that they only have the cars in three colours and if I want something else I have to pay for it to be re-sprayed.

The REAL issue behind this is that Bioware have been caught out either being misleading or outright lying about aspects of the game and its ending. They have ALSO been caught out lying about DLC. If they now 'release' additional endings and force us to pay for them...well going off various internet polls they will have risk loosing more potential customers than bought Dragon Age 2....

I think this is the real point, from an objective perspective. I'm not trying to diminish the passion with which some consumers of this product have about paying for a 'fix', but I do feel like those positions are coming from a sympathetic place, really in regard to the individual creators of this product. And while that's a perfectly human response, to feel guilty about the prospect of causing another person distress through one's own actions, it also diverts focus. This is a commodity, it isn't a person, and it is produced by a company.

I wonder how many dissatisfied customers stating they should have to pay for whatever it is BW/EA could provide that would bring their satisfaction and consumer confidence back would be so quick to say the exact same when they go to dinner and find the food and service to be poor. How many have fussed and had a meal comped, received a gift voucher in the mail, or gotten a discount on a bill because the commodity they bought failed to satisfy? 

The difference, so to speak, here has more to do with seeing this video game commodity as a group of people making it and identifying with those humans, IMO. I'd caution against those kinds of feelings, this is a company, a business, and they aren't feeling individual sympathy for the consumers. They see us as a group of potential sales and if they want to maintain those, then they need to do what they think best in order to regain confidence. I think a lot of people here are losing much more sleep than anyone directly involved with ME 3. You aren't wrong in your distress and I am not making light of how you feel in any way. Of course, IMO, YMMV, and FWIW.

[StabGuy]

BDelacroix wrote...

StabGuy wrote...

'If' they were smart, they would have split Mass Effect 3 into episodes like Valve did with Halflife 2.

But no, they were stupid. This is the outcome of that decision.

Except valve quit before finishing. That wouldn't work.

Better than a bad ending.

[CELL55]

How about we wait and see if they even plan on doing anything about the endings before we decide on anything?