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OMTING52601 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.


Incorrect logic.

If I buy a new car and discover that the handbrake doesn't work I do not expect to be asked to pay more money to fix the problem...Or maybe a better analogy would be being told that I can buy my car any colour, then turning up and realising that they only have the cars in three colours and if I want something else I have to pay for it to be re-sprayed.

The REAL issue behind this is that Bioware have been caught out either being misleading or outright lying about aspects of the game and its ending. They have ALSO been caught out lying about DLC. If they now 'release' additional endings and force us to pay for them...well going off various internet polls they will have risk loosing more potential customers than bought Dragon Age 2....


I think this is the real point, from an objective perspective. I'm not trying to diminish the passion with which some consumers of this product have about paying for a 'fix', but I do feel like those positions are coming from a sympathetic place, really in regard to the individual creators of this product. And while that's a perfectly human response, to feel guilty about the prospect of causing another person distress through one's own actions, it also diverts focus. This is a commodity, it isn't a person, and it is produced by a company.

I wonder how many dissatisfied customers stating they should have to pay for whatever it is BW/EA could provide that would bring their satisfaction and consumer confidence back would be so quick to say the exact same when they go to dinner and find the food and service to be poor. How many have fussed and had a meal comped, received a gift voucher in the mail, or gotten a discount on a bill because the commodity they bought failed to satisfy? 

The difference, so to speak, here has more to do with seeing this video game commodity as a group of people making it and identifying with those humans, IMO. I'd caution against those kinds of feelings, this is a company, a business, and they aren't feeling individual sympathy for the consumers. They see us as a group of potential sales and if they want to maintain those, then they need to do what they think best in order to regain confidence. I think a lot of people here are losing much more sleep than anyone directly involved with ME 3. You aren't wrong in your distress and I am not making light of how you feel in any way. Of course, IMO, YMMV, and FWIW.


Indeed.

If you look at things purely from the business prospective this is not a good position for Bioware to be in. All the online polls indicate that between 80 and 90% of players are unhappy at the ending of the game, and therefore are disatisfied with the product they bought. Regardless of what product you are talking about this is a disaster - to put this in prospective ME3 sold three and a half million copies on its first day in the USA alone. So even the lowest figure of 80% translates as some 2 million people...That is more people than bought Dragon Age 2 in its first month of release*. Worse is that these very people are likely to be Bioware's core customers, who were most likely to buy games simply because they were developed by Bioware. The only way a company can survive alienating 80% of their customer base is if they are the only ones producing that type of product...which certainly isn't the case in the gaming industry.

(*Note; Bioware shipped two million copies in the first month according to their statements. However shipping copies and selling them are two different things. It also doesn't account for the number of customers who were able to return DA2 for a full refund because the game, as released, was considered unplayable by several major stores)

The endings also make no business sense because new players are highly unlikely to go and buy either of the two earlier games or any DLC. Almost as mystifying is that all the endings eliminate any realistic potential to continue using the Mass Effect universe in future games because they destroyed the post-ME3 universe and anything set before it will be totally meaningless regardless of how well written the story might be. They *could* have continued to produce and sell games using the Mass Effect brand even without Shepard if they hadn't wrecked the entire universe.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 13 mars 2012 - 06:45 .


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Bioware butchered the ending to a great series. I would buy it because It's my favorite game ever and I'm really sad that they ended it like that /:

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I'm traumatized by the endings...so I would definitely buy it. I need closure and peace of mind at whatever cost.

Modifié par mayrabgood, 13 mars 2012 - 06:49 .


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I would wait for YouTube videos of it first but I would be buying it certainly. It would keep me satisfied and make me want to play all the Mass Effects again.

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Op they better fix it .

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Post game DLC is already end game content aka endings in principle. Selling an alternative ending would not be that far off what already exists as DLC. I too would buy it however I do not think will get it because they mentioned no post game DLC prior and I think they will more likely go down the CoD route of MP content DLC much to my disappointment.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 mars 2012 - 06:55 .


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I will pay for ending.

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Syfoor wrote...

guys i dont really know if its just stating the obvious or you figured out it too, but if that dream/halucination theory is true and real endings will be in DLC, or if BW listens and will make fixed ending DLC in future, IF its not free, DONT buy it. i know we all want to see this huge problem fixed, and some would even pay for it, but I saw this as some marketing test. if BW will succeed in ,lets say, 15 USD ending DLC, soon every company will start selling games in pieces. get us hooked to game and then BAM - "please pay 15 bucks to see how this amazing game ends". thank you for reading this

Why warn people about something that isn't new? I understand that a lot of people are not happy with a lot of the DLC tactics that companies are using but if you think about it... It's nothing new. Computer gaming companies have been doing this very thing for years! No one has had a problem buying expansion DLC or pure expansions for their computer based games. Why is DLC and or expansions for concel based gaming shuned when companies try to give you the gamer more? We all know the companies do this to make money. Otherwise they would not be called a business or company. All I'll say is wait and see what happens. You are going to kick yourself hard if you get rid of your mass effect 3 game to soon.

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Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Why should it be free? Developing a product requires time and resources which in turn require money. Gaming is not charity, this is a business and they're entitled to sell what they work for.

Just because you were not satisfied with the product you purchased before does not entitle you to get their next product for free. You don't like it, don't buy it but don't think anyone is somehow entitled to a free service now.


......please tell me the majority of gamers are not like THIS guy ^^^ <_<

If so - we few in the gaming community who know exactly how bad DLC is to the gaming world will forever miss the old days when DLC did not exist.

I mean are you freaking serious???

This has NOTHING to do with developing a product and releasing it to the public. This guy is clueless as to the point of DLC. We are paying more now for DLC did we ever did for FULL GAMES in the past.  Just look at the DLC created for ME 2. http://social.bioware.com/page/me2-dlc. Without including the the network (which we got for free when we pre-ordered the game) - the cost of everything is 3600 MS points.

http://www.gamestop....v=13ffff0fc0-85

Look at how much MS points cost. 1600 MS points cost 19.99 !!!!!!. That's 20 BUCKS! For not even HALF of the DLC content for ME 2?!

So we paid more then 45 **** bucks for all the DLC in ME 2. That's pretty much the cost of the ME 2 GAME. Hell, 4k MS points cost 49.99 (the cost you pretty much paid for ME 2 - insane right?)

And now IF Bioware WILLINGLY and DECIETFULLY made a horrible ending to the game to get us to fork over MORE money for the 'real' ending - that's just insanity. I cannot comprehend how people would/could justifiy this tactic. Personally - I would be SOOO pissed off as a gamer. Pissed off actually isn't the right word. I would be furious.  The OP is CORRECT 1000% percent on this. The mere fact that some people are defending Bioware on this is un-believe-able. It really is.

We got screwed over when DLC became a main-stream thing. Don't lie and say it was a good thing and it's 'for the gamer'! No it's not. It's a nice way in Bioware's view to extend the game a little more while forcing us to pay a premium price for it. Again look at the DLC content cost for ME 2. Don't tell me the DLC content is worth as much or near as much as the entire ME 2 game. It's NOT. Bioware and EVERY other company who uses this tactic is BENDING every customer over. 

You remember when we paid 60 bucks for a game and then got a 30 dollar full expansion? When was the last time Bioware did that? for DA: Orgins??? The expansion wasn't even that GREAT -  And they still had the nerve to throw more DLC content on that game.

You remember when game-fixes were standard and for free? How have we allowed the gaming industry to come to this??

I am urging people - no begging people - DO NOT purchase a 'ending' DLC! If it's for free it's one thing but to pay for this horrible ending gives Bioware license to start using this tactic for everything. Oh we screwed up this aspect of the game you say? Alright - hand over 10/15 bucks and we'll fix it for you. No bioware - I'm not paying ten bucks so you can screw us over some more. This ending should have never been in the game. How do you go from ME 1's ending to this? Bioware has got completely down-hill since EA took over. And it's sad to see because ME 1 was and still is such a great-game. 

I paid 60 bucks for a complete game - I expect my 60 HARD-EARNED DOLLARS to be enough to warrant the type of game your team promised (and DELIVERED in the past!).

How much DLC content was there for ME 1? And how long did you other gamers end up playing ME 1? I played ME 1 for 160 hours combined (for all my playthroughs). I played ME 2 roughly 75 hours for two run throughs. I will only be playing ME 3 once. I do not like this trend. I'm not going to be helping Bioware's tactic of DLC content any-longer. I cannot believe how much money I spent on ME 2's DLC. What a freaking rip-off. I'm disgusted with the DLC system in play. I did not purchase the FIRST - DAY DLC for ME 3. I REFUSED to give in to Bioware's tactic this time.

Fool be once Bioware - shame on me - fool me twice - shame on you! 

Again people - I am begging you - PLEASE do not buy any DLC for the right ending! It should NEVER have even COME to this! 

Modifié par Euno17, 13 mars 2012 - 07:34 .


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I will buy the DLC just to finally have some resolution to the series, it is a briliant tactic to enrage everyone to the point where they just want resolution, and willl do anything to have it. Briliant, but distasteful.

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I would buy it. I hate the idea of paying to get a "correct" ending but, as stated by other users here, I would do it out of respect for the series.

And I respect BioWare.. a lot, actually. Mass Effect 3 was amazing.. each minute, save the last 15, was worth playing. I would actually be happy about paying them for that opportunity to change the ending.. It would show they respect us as much as we respect them.

If any other dev tried to pull this on me, they would receive a small battery of bad words and wouldn't get 1 single penny from my pockets.

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As upset with the ending I am, I'd buy it and I don't care if I'm a sucker because £10 or whatever out of my wallet on a good ending of mass effect 3 is better than £10 on 4 pints at the pub for me.

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I'd buy it anyway. I think that they've learnt there lesson about treating endings to a game carefully- and they wouldn't want to risk another outcry like this one.

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vipez wrote...

As upset with the ending I am, I'd buy it and I don't care if I'm a sucker because £10 or whatever out of my wallet on a good ending of mass effect 3 is better than £10 on 4 pints at the pub for me.


The £10 you spend at the pub may make you happier, mate.

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If the Indoctrination theory is correct, then they would not be releasing a dlc, so much as a patch, and it would have to be free. If their original intent was a grand mind(bleep), then the cost would have been figured into the price of the game. If, however, they did not intend it, and are simply "fixing" things, then it would be a dlc, which you would have to pay for.

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'If' they were smart, they would have split Mass Effect 3 into episodes like Valve did with Halflife 2.

But no, they were stupid. This is the outcome of that decision.


And I still wait Episode 3...its 5 goddamn years now..such a brilliant game..but now nothing.

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If it's made, I'll buy it if I want to.

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Kilshrek wrote...

vipez wrote...

As upset with the ending I am, I'd buy it and I don't care if I'm a sucker because £10 or whatever out of my wallet on a good ending of mass effect 3 is better than £10 on 4 pints at the pub for me.


The £10 you spend at the pub may make you happier, mate.


No thanks i have Jagermeister, good stuff that doesnt kill you.

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I really liked the ending, except that we never found out what happened with the squadmates. I think it was quite obvious what would happen to Shepard, since ME2.

I think it's sad that so many are unhappy about the endings :(

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Here, this kinda sums it up doesnt it?

Except I don't have a Garrus pillow, really.

Gterror wrote...

No thanks i have Jagermeister, good stuff that doesnt kill you.


Bah, what's life if not for living? 4 pints of beer down your neck would do anyone a world of good. Depending on the beer of course. This one Belgian beer I had was at a liver tickling 12%, I woke up the next morning wondering how I got home.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 13 mars 2012 - 09:14 .


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Kilshrek wrote...

Here, this kinda sums it up doesnt it?

Except I don't have a Garrus pillow, really.

Gterror wrote...

No thanks i have Jagermeister, good stuff that doesnt kill you.


Bah, what's life if not for living? 4 pints of beer down your neck would do anyone a world of good. Depending on the beer of course. This one Belgian beer I had was at a liver tickling 12%, I woke up the next morning wondering how I got home.

Yeah, these kind of situations does make us humans and feel like humans, rather then working night and day, just trying to scrape up the money to see another day, important tho, but we live only once, no second chances.

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Brotherhood of Steel... they changed the ending in Fallout 3

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brfritos wrote...

Really? Most people will not agree with me, but if this is the end they choosed to the game, that's the end the game should have.



I can deal with the ending as a concept.  But there were serious questions that were never answered that should have been answered in the pre-cinematic conversation right before you choose your color.

Plus the fact that it's one giant plot hole that if you think about it logically you realize that all 3 games are invalidated via this giant plot hole.  THATS the problem.

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Abirn wrote...

I can deal with the ending as a concept.  But there were serious questions that were never answered that should have been answered in the pre-cinematic conversation right before you choose your color.

Plus the fact that it's one giant plot hole that if you think about it logically you realize that all 3 games are invalidated via this giant plot hole.  THATS the problem.


Yeah, why bother doing anything if all that will happen is... colour! But one colour is clearly superior, it breathes! How significant that is, I wouldn't know.

Gterror wrote...

Yeah, these kind of situations does make us humans and feel like humans, rather then working night and day, just trying to scrape up the money to see another day, important tho, but we live only once, no second chances.


I'm not in a position to guess as to what happens after we die, but I only know of this one life I've been living so far.

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The notion of rewarding Bioware for this with more money does not compute for me.