Or, are we all just going crazy? Maybe we were already crazy...
I prefer the latter versus the former.
Why is there so much concern/interest regarding if something was/is a hallucination?
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The child in the demo was thought to be a hallucination. Now the ending is being thought of as a hallucination. Are the fans in denial or just fear that the whole story was an eleborate trope?
Or, are we all just going crazy? Maybe we were already crazy...
I prefer the latter versus the former.
Or, are we all just going crazy? Maybe we were already crazy...
I prefer the latter versus the former.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:31
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Well, the idea is that both the beginning and the end are part of the same hallucination. Heck, the truth might be that Shepard is lying in the medbay after being exposed to the beacon on Eden Prime, and the rest is just a dream.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:33
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If that was an ending, I think BSN could quite possibly explode. I have seen this trope many times on the board. I find it both amusing yet boring. Then again, I've seen the end of ME3.Jack_Forest wrote...
Well, the idea is that both the beginning and the end are part of the same hallucination. Heck, the truth might be that Shepard is lying in the medbay after being exposed to the beacon on Eden Prime, and the rest is just a dream.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:34
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Even if it was a hallucination, it sucked. The ending sucked. Period. Its a Matrix ripoff.
Maybe Neo never left the Matrix and it was all a dream. Maybe I got ripped off.
Maybe Neo never left the Matrix and it was all a dream. Maybe I got ripped off.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:37
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There was no white rabbit. Neo was just hallucinating.
But I am fascinated on how this would be helpful or soothing to someone. I think of it as a form of denial versus accepting of the reality of the ending or the destruction of the child.
Thus what does it mean? Does making it a hallucination make you feel better, worse, give you hope?
But I am fascinated on how this would be helpful or soothing to someone. I think of it as a form of denial versus accepting of the reality of the ending or the destruction of the child.
Thus what does it mean? Does making it a hallucination make you feel better, worse, give you hope?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:44
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More like I simply don't care.
The ending is devoid of any intellect - it offers nothing new. Its a dime - store knockoff that could have been written by a 4 year old.
What is not a hallucination is the fact that I got ripped off, for the second game in a row. I liked ME2, with the exception of the Termi-reaper and the planet scanning. In other words, the end was the worst that could ever be done. In ME three, the chance to redeem themselves was completely lost because all they could do was steal the child - god and the magical doors from the Matrix.
Call it a hallucination - I care not. I call it garbage.
The ending is devoid of any intellect - it offers nothing new. Its a dime - store knockoff that could have been written by a 4 year old.
What is not a hallucination is the fact that I got ripped off, for the second game in a row. I liked ME2, with the exception of the Termi-reaper and the planet scanning. In other words, the end was the worst that could ever be done. In ME three, the chance to redeem themselves was completely lost because all they could do was steal the child - god and the magical doors from the Matrix.
Call it a hallucination - I care not. I call it garbage.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:50
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Hainkpe wrote...
There was no white rabbit. Neo was just hallucinating.
But I am fascinated on how this would be helpful or soothing to someone. I think of it as a form of denial versus accepting of the reality of the ending or the destruction of the child.
Thus what does it mean? Does making it a hallucination make you feel better, worse, give you hope?
I think the attraction of the theory is that it both offers hope for a new, better ending while also saying that the current ending didn't actually happen.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:51
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If you think about Stephan King or M. Night Shyamalan then endings to intense thrillers are not a strong point. I think of the Sopranos and how everything just went to black. You didn't see the end. It just ended. There was no questioning if this was a ruse or real.
With ME3, some choose disbelief as the reality is too much of a let down to be anything else but something to explain a way. By disbelieving then the possibly of a new ending also can occur.
Yet arent they setting themselves up for greater disappointment?
With ME3, some choose disbelief as the reality is too much of a let down to be anything else but something to explain a way. By disbelieving then the possibly of a new ending also can occur.
Yet arent they setting themselves up for greater disappointment?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:55
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Yes they are in denial.. The endings sucked. Thats what we got, nothing more.
If they change the endings is pure speculation. And has more to do with money then fixing what they arleady screwed up.
If they change the endings is pure speculation. And has more to do with money then fixing what they arleady screwed up.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:00
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Yet BW contends they are happy with the endings they created. Are we missing the point of the endings?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:00
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Hainkpe wrote...
If you think about Stephan King or M. Night Shyamalan then endings to intense thrillers are not a strong point. I think of the Sopranos and how everything just went to black. You didn't see the end. It just ended. There was no questioning if this was a ruse or real.
With ME3, some choose disbelief as the reality is too much of a let down to be anything else but something to explain a way. By disbelieving then the possibly of a new ending also can occur.
Yet arent they setting themselves up for greater disappointment?
Probably, but as ironically mentioned in ME3, hope is a powerful thing. Personally, I would rather have indoctrination theory be true than the current mess. However, I'm skeptical Bioware would have the guts or be crazy enough to ship a game without its real ending.
Besides, say Bioware never makes any statement on the endings. There is enough evidence there that people can believe in indoctrination theory if they want to.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:01
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People are just grasping at straws in the hope that a better ending is coming.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:04
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The problem is that the indoctrination theory makes a lot more sense than the actual ending.
Taking the child as an example, nobody ever seems to see him other than Shepard. There's multiple parts in the demo where you can see the child staring at Shepard from far off. Why does the VI God-Kid look/sound the same as the kid other than a lazy tie-in?
Why have Shepard live in the Destroy ending, when the Citadel is basically destroyed, and the area where Shepard obviously was. He couldn't have fallen to Earth, ME2 even "shows" that.
So it makes sense, or a wizard did it.
Taking the child as an example, nobody ever seems to see him other than Shepard. There's multiple parts in the demo where you can see the child staring at Shepard from far off. Why does the VI God-Kid look/sound the same as the kid other than a lazy tie-in?
Why have Shepard live in the Destroy ending, when the Citadel is basically destroyed, and the area where Shepard obviously was. He couldn't have fallen to Earth, ME2 even "shows" that.
So it makes sense, or a wizard did it.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:09
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You pointed out the conundrum. Why did the child look the way it did? Was it a projection from Shepard? Did Shepard see what he wanted to see ala the movie, "Contact?"savionen wrote...
The problem is that the indoctrination theory makes a lot more sense than the actual ending.
Taking the child as an example, nobody ever seems to see him other than Shepard. There's multiple parts in the demo where you can see the child staring at Shepard from far off. Why does the VI God-Kid look/sound the same as the kid other than a lazy tie-in?
Why have Shepard live in the Destroy ending, when the Citadel is basically destroyed, and the area where Shepard obviously was. He couldn't have fallen to Earth, ME2 even "shows" that.
So it makes sense, or a wizard did it.
That child has been around. Was the child doing the same behavior that Legion identified and explained in ME2. The child was observing Shepard?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:13
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Hainkpe wrote...
The child in the demo was thought to be a hallucination. Now the ending is being thought of as a hallucination. Are the fans in denial or just fear that the whole story was an eleborate trope?
Or, are we all just going crazy? Maybe we were already crazy...
I prefer the latter versus the former.
We're just throwing concepts around. If it turns out that we are correct then that's fantastic. If not, then Bioware have plenty of ideas in the hallucination/indoctrination thread to work with should they decide to fix the endings. Granted the hallucination/indoctrination theory may not have been the best way to end the game BUT for the 3 crappy endings we were given the hallucination/indoctrination concept has enough potential to salvage ME3's endings and create something special.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:14
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Avissel wrote...
People are just grasping at straws in the hope that a better ending is coming.
No, Emerrrrrrrgency Induction Ports...
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:17
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Avissel wrote...
People are just grasping at straws in the hope that a better ending is coming.
at least there's quite a few straws to grasp.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:19
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It is totally denial. If Bioware ever came out and told us anything was a hallucination in ME3, then I'd be pretty f-ing pissed.
It is such a cop-out.
It is such a cop-out.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:21
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Don't you think that if BW did actually use indoctrination or a hallucination as an ending that would be a cop out? Because if the Reapers can do that then they win. They are an insurmountable force, how do you win against such odds?LolaLei wrote...
We're just throwing concepts around. If it turns out that we are correct then that's fantastic. If not, then Bioware have plenty of ideas in the hallucination/indoctrination thread to work with should they decide to fix the endings. Granted the hallucination/indoctrination theory may not have been the best way to end the game BUT for the 3 crappy endings we were given the hallucination/indoctrination concept has enough potential to salvage ME3's endings and create something special.
Without resorting to such a simple trope?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:22
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Personally, because it would turn an unbelievably dumb set of endings into an utterly brilliant one.
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I am very curious. How would changing the ending to a hallucination or a process of indoctrination be a brilliant ending?bleetman wrote...
Personally, because it would turn an unbelievably dumb set of endings into an utterly brilliant one.
I do not see it. I really want to know though. Please would you explain?
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:26
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I HOPE it is an hallucination because it would provide the awesome ending we're all waiting for. And if it is the writing was brilliant, so many little details... If it isn't an hallucination, most of us are going crazy and don't understand what the hell happen with BW for them to end mass effect like that.
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 03:27
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Hainkpe wrote...
Yet BW contends they are happy with the endings they created. Are we missing the point of the endings?
Indeed we are. Whoever wrote them wanted Mass Effect to be a part of the Cosmic Horror genre and wrote the weirdest and bleakest ending they could come up with. (Reapers win in two endings, everyone looses and dies in the third)
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Hainkpe wrote...
I am very curious. How would changing the ending to a hallucination or a process of indoctrination be a brilliant ending?bleetman wrote...
Personally, because it would turn an unbelievably dumb set of endings into an utterly brilliant one.
I do not see it. I really want to know though. Please would you explain?
If you go to the hallucination thread you'll understand it better, there are many little details that people have spoted that don't make sense at all.
