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[lokiarchetype]

So game developers can make numerous changes at the behest of the publisher and the investors...

But when they make changes for the customers themselves, then it destroys the game as an artform?

lol.

[Mahrac]

NReed106 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...
Pessimistic at best. You missed a key point about Legions conclusions and the realizations that they are self aware beings, EDI was for all intents and purposes human. Legion would have shot shepard as much as he would shoot himself. Indeed the paralells between Legion and Shepard are eerie,

Hell, Legion tries to kill Shepard if he doesn't support Legion.

Legion has the right to defend his life

His life isn't being threatened.

so the quarians wanting to destroy his race doesn't threaten legions life... how?

I just said his life wasn't being threatened. If one of them is going to die, why are the Geth prefered over the Quarians?

i prefer neither die. if shepard sides with the quarians, he is condeming legion to death, so legion has the right to defend himself and his race

edit:typo

Legion dies no matter what....

i meant neither race, not the individual. but i would have like legion to live. he was awesome. i'll also admit to crying.

[KTheAlchemist]

ashdrake1 wrote...

You don't think at all a ending that is "forced" upon us is a tool to keep telling a story.  Shepards story may be done, but they have stated the setting will continue, and that we should keep our saves.  It as it always has been with every game in the series.  The ending is always the same, but the choices you make affect the story as it goes.

It doesn't really function in that capacity, though.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this doesn't create a devastated galaxy that is incapable of functioning (which goes back into plot holes, but okay). Let's say that they eventually create better FTL drives and the galaxy sloooowly creeps back up to where it once was and is a place where you could have a game of somewhat similar scope to ME1-3.

You've still got "Is everyone hybrid synthetic?", "Are all synthetics dead?" and "Are the reapers still around under the control of some weird disembodied Shepard-consciousness?". Three things that would grossly change the face of a future ME title to the point that it would probably be beyond even Bioware's means to create such a game.

Given this ending as is, if shepard's story ends and we go on to other stories in this universe that take place later, they're going to have to create a "canon ending" as far as that NEW series of games goes. Forcing us into a tunnel at the end doesn't solve that in any way. It actually makes the problem worse. A universe that's pretty much the same a hundred years into the future to what it is now, is much easier to work around and work player choices into in some fashion than a galaxy whose entire face is changed.

Meanwhile, my and many people's real problem with all this remains: If you're going to ram everything down to 3 off-the-peg choices in pursuit of some philosophical "point", you'd better not promise people something wildly different from what you're planning to deliver.

Modifié par KTheAlchemist, 22 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Hanabii]

I have seen a trend now that Bioware is sticking their toe in the proverbial water of giving the fans the DLC to deliver the ending. They haven't promised anything, but they haven't said no either. Things are still going between them.

Many people want QUALITY DLC, they want it NOW and they want it FREE!

Bioware in my eyes views answering our demands much like leaping into a lake of water. A nice swim could be just what is needed. However they need to learn about the water, what they could gain from the swim.

However when the fans beckoning them to come into the water turn into a Rabid Crocodile the moment Bioware tests the water demanding the entire world and not wanting to pay for it proverbially trying to bite the foot off of the developer it detracts them.

If you're gonna be a Crocodile then why is ANYONE gonna wanna swim with you, you'll take em for a death roll.

Besides, think about the cost of a DLC to make, the voice acting, the script writing, the Cenematics (Especially for an ending.) The time and emotions invested. Bioware's already depressed by the rain over their current ending, do you HONESTLY think they're gonna wanna dive with predators?

Bioware needs time, Bioware needs to be happy and to be rewarded for coming into the water that is their fanbase. They need to be welcome as our old friends who made all the greats that came before.

And seriously, about the cost.

What's it gonna cost you? Five or ten bucks out of pocket? That's what?
Maybe one Ciggerette less a day for two days? Seriously, this is less
then a tenth of a tank of gas. And as far as entertainment values it is
worth more bang for buck then a movie and a night on the town.

It's one thing to demand better quality from Bioware.

It's another thing to become a cheapass skinflint who won't fork over a Burger's worth of money when someone does what you ask.

I
"Hold the line.' like anyone else who's played ME3 to the end. But have
some class! I'm not a rich guy, I barely have enough money most of the
time and even I don't find DLC that horrible to buy.

10 bucks
every once in a blue moon to make a game better vs the 15 a month
average on MMOs for often months without update or expanded content?

10
bucks a every once in a blue moon compared to the cost of your average
week of entertainment over a product you waited years for?

If
Bioware asks for a little cash so you can get your proverbial hash.
Don't be an ass and pass. Take your DLC with TLC! Be happy that now your
end isn't crappy!

Honestly, the DLC Day One thing didn't bother me, companies have been pulling Collector's Edition bonuses the whole time.

If Bioware needs a small chunk of cash for the finished product, you'd be a hole on Uranus not to give it to them. REMEMBER in the notes the devs said THEY were satisfied with the product. They've already finished as planned and their planned budget is spent.

THEY HAVE however planned to make DLC. They've planned Cast Time, Budgeted future costs, etc for making DLCs counting on a payoff. Meaning it will be a solid LOSS for them NOT to be payed. Meaning even if the fans are angry they won't change it because they don't want to lose their shirt to an angry mob that wouldn't be made happy either way.

You people need to be POLITE, you need to be ENCOURAGING.

You need to be welcoming to Bioware, you need them to be open to the idea and you need to make them want to dive into the water. You need to be there as an ally and a Vigilant Friend. They may be owned by EA now, but they are still people and people working deserve to be payed.

[TheTrueObelus]

This is a thread posted by a troll guys...

[CavScout]

SimKoning wrote...

I'm amazed that there are science fiction fans that actually like the magically transmutate every single organism into cyborgs via a wave of green energy ending.

I didn't select that ending...

It's hands down the most ridiculous scenario I have seen in a science fiction story in years. They might as well have had God show up so he can turn all of the Reapers into space bunnies. It really is that absurd, and if you don't think so, please explain to me how my analogy is flawed, because I would really like to know.

Nearly any solution the Crucible + Catalyst was going to have was going to "magical". You basically were expecting it to stop all Reapers in the Galaxy once completed.

Personaly, I think it is a lose option. Why are we giving up our humanity?

I had high hopes that this game would help get young people interested in real science thanks to its higher than usual level of scientific rigor compared to other space opera IPs.

I hope you are joking. ME was never hard sci-fi.

I'm deeply depressed that there are people that find space miracles more interesting than real science fiction. Why even bother explaining that EDI is a quantum computer, or including speculative biochemistry and xenobiology if you are going to throw it all out the window during that last 5 minutes.

What is this "real science fiction" you refer to? ME threw in some techno-babble. It's nice, it added atmosphere to the game. It didn't make it hard sci-fi.

Bioware set out to create their own "Star Wars" with the selling point that it would have a higher degree of plausibility. After seeing these endings, I can honestly say that this series is now on par with the silliest Star Trek episode. Hell, Mitichlorians make more sense at this point. The only way out of this for me is if they make this all a dream, if not, then this will be the last time I ever buy a Mass Effect game. Mass Effect was, until now, a huge step in the right direction, but then it took a hundred steps back. I can only hope this indoctrination thing will be what they run with, otherwise they have lost a fan... permanently.

Nerd raging is poor form, in my opinion.

[Fail_Inc]

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours comes from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: http://social.biowar...1/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: http://social.biowar...3/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: http://social.biowar...5/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: http://social.biowar...1/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

What's this? OP questioning Bioware's artistic integrity and design choices?! 

HERESY!

[Mobius-Silent]

CavScout wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Checkmate. For real this time. Thread over, go home everyone.

Artists can change their art, I don't think anyone is disputing that. What is being disputed is that consumer have the right to force said changes.

Unless we raid Bioware an hold a gun to people's heads we are not forcing anyone to do anything, this is a fan outcry, just like the examples given.

If the comments on the PA forums are anything to go by (http://pastebin.com/i2cNVDp4 ) the ending has nothing to do with artistic integrity and everything to do with excluding the _actual_ writers from the process.

Finally, IMHO the reason an anti-takeback thread has more pro-takeback folks posting is because there are _more_ of us

[Nobrandminda]

MintyCool wrote...

Checkmate

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

They've announced that there will be changes to the ending.  That right there is a blow to the handful of people who want to see the ending unchanged.  We don't yet know how much the ending will change, so it's entirely possible that we'll both lose this little game if the changes are unsatisfying to members within and without the Retake movement.

So stop saying Chekmate.  It's just plain obnoxious.

[pomrink]

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours comes from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: http://social.biowar...1/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: http://social.biowar...3/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: http://social.biowar...5/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: http://social.biowar...1/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

lmao

[Mahrac]

Nobrandminda wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Checkmate

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Princess Bride FTW

[mcsupersport]

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

Checkmate??!!??

[ashdrake1]

General User wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Artistic integrity argument falls flat on its arse.

I would like to call to the stand Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens and JK Rowling.

Ms Rowling, is it true that you altered your original plans for the ending to "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" out of respect for fan requests that Harry Potter not die?

"Yes it is"

Thankyou. Mr Conan Doyle, did you bring your hero "Sherlock Holmes" back to life following a long and drawn out campaign by readers of your literature?

"Yes I did."

And lastly Mr Dickens, widely considered among the greatest novelists of all time, did you alter the ending to your masterpiece, "Great Expectations" at the behest of your readers?

"I did."

Well your honour, unless anyone here cares to question the "artistic integrity" of my witnesses, I rest my case.

Checkmate. For real this time. Thread over, go home everyone.

Artists can change their art, I don't think anyone is disputing that. What is being disputed is that consumer have the right to force said changes.

The nutter who filed the complaint with the American FTC and his ilk notwithstanding, I really don't think the Retake movement is about 'forcing' Bioware to do anything so much as putting pressure on them to do so.

It's an important distinction.  EA/Bioware can respond to the fan pressure or not, there will be positive and negative consequences either way.

Take a look at metacritic.  Games survive on thier ratings.  The reviewer scores there are nothing more than a terrorist attack, forcing the company to comply of let the game wither and die.

[Encarmine]

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours comes from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: http://social.biowar...1/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: http://social.biowar...3/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: http://social.biowar...5/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: http://social.biowar...1/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

Ive never seen somone, remove all form of legitimacy from an OP in such a cool way.

OP you just got totally ruined, I have now completely wipes you from my brain as this counter post has rendered you irrellivent in the most total way possible.

its like, in the foru world, this fella just dropped the Abomb on you, it was so total and ending.

exellent work Shall

[Shallyah]

Reposting this with fixed links:

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

[Tovanus]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Plot holes are present in almost every story ever made. The only reason people usually notice them or care is because their immersion was broken by another problem in the story's execution. They are rarely noticed by themselves. The failing of the end of the Mass Effect 3 story is not the plot holes in of themselves, but the rhetorical and thematic inconsistency that broke player immersion in the game.

I'd just say that plot holes break immersion when they get too big, even when thematic and rhetorical consistency is maintained. Small plotholes are easy to gloss over, the same way people don't think about it when a character on a TV show falls in a pool, and one minutes later they appear to be dry, it rarely phases anyone. 

There's just a critical mass of plotholes that any story can reach where it breaks immersion for everyone. If I had to pinpoint where that happens in this game, I'd say the starchild. Though I agree that the thematic and rhetorical consistency breaking added to it.  Maybe those alone would have been enough to break immersion. I guess we'll never know, since the break with rhetorical and thematic consistency was accomplished via giant plot holes.

[Vlta]

Why is everyone feeding the troll?

[Cloaking_Thane]

All Dead wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

oh, also. ah, yes. checkmate. we have dismissed your understanding of that claim

Blagojevich dismissed the charges against him.. he started his prison term recently.

Man, you even got non sequiturs down pat.

He only responds with "witty" quips. He's a polemicist.

[Fat Head]

I can tell you, as both an artist who has done work for pay, AND an art collector who had paid to have artwork created, that if you are paying money for something, you absolutely, 100% have a say in what you want. You can make whatever demands you like.

Now, in these transactions, the terms are generally stated before the money is exchanged, as to what is considered acceptable. In this case, they were making a game and TOLD that we could shape it so that our decisions would affect not only the entirety of the game, but ALSO THE OUTCOME. In the end we could not do what was promised. THAT ALONE gives us every right to complain and request changes. Whether the game is considered art or not becomes irrelevant.


Oh, and this too:

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours comes from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: http://social.biowar...1/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: http://social.biowar...3/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: http://social.biowar...5/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: http://social.biowar...1/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said. 

Modifié par Fat Head, 22 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[RiouHotaru]

Oxy Clean wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sassafrass23 wrote...

When you raise over 70k in revenue to support your claims like we did then ill view your topic as the majority. Otherwise YOU are the minority here not us
.Hold the line

...Are you f*ing kidding me?  So because the pro-enders don't have a charity we're suddenly irrevelant?

WELP, there goes any respect I had for Retake!

The ignorance of one person does not classify the whole group as ignorant.

We all know what happens when we judge an entire group based on the actions of one person that happens to have connections with that group.

But this isn't the first time, nor even remotely close to the last, that someone using the group's tagline or otherwise claiming to be a part of them has said things like this.

They continue to insist that they should act with 'civility' and 'courtesy', and then one of them comes along and drops a bomb like this.  In fact the ONLY place where civility occurs is inside their own thread.  Outside people claiming to be with them hurt attacks and insults left and right.

[leondes1]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

This is a thread posted by a troll guys...

Don't know why people can't see that.

MOVE ON

[Hanabii]

I SAY CHECK and MATE BAYOTCHERS! CHECKMATE!

That's not a checkmate you say Bro? *Takes out Carnifex* Hows about nao BEYOTCHER!?

[spacefiddle]

I'm honestly confused.  Well-written, but how can this be the premise of a series and genre that prides itself, and markets itself, on player choice and interaction?  Where public statements have frequently pointed to how much content has come from customer feedback?  Where marketing and public statements, prior to launch, affirmed this?  And where content in ME2 was directly taken from customer "entitlement," and this is seen as one of the signature strengths of Bioware and its brand trust?

I've been a fan for years, but I'm also - and primarily - a customer.  And one of the reasons I'm a customer is for all the things you seem to feel strongly against, and label with loaded terms like "entitled fan."

In most business models, you create a product for a customer.  You tell the customer what they're getting, and when they get it, they're happy.  That's the deal.  Change the deal, and you have unhappy customers.

Music is art.  Music is also a business.  Do we want them to be an unknown "arty" act that doesn't care about customer feedback?  Do you want them to be a completely commercial DLC micro nightmare?  Or maybe there's a middle ground, where Bioware's a profitable and well-known innovative creator who, in their own words, "collaborates with the community."