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[leondes1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Oxy Clean wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sassafrass23 wrote...

When you raise over 70k in revenue to support your claims like we did then ill view your topic as the majority. Otherwise YOU are the minority here not us
.Hold the line

...Are you f*ing kidding me?  So because the pro-enders don't have a charity we're suddenly irrevelant?

WELP, there goes any respect I had for Retake!

The ignorance of one person does not classify the whole group as ignorant.

We all know what happens when we judge an entire group based on the actions of one person that happens to have connections with that group.

But this isn't the first time, nor even remotely close to the last, that someone using the group's tagline or otherwise claiming to be a part of them has said things like this.

They continue to insist that they should act with 'civility' and 'courtesy', and then one of them comes along and drops a bomb like this.  In fact the ONLY place where civility occurs is inside their own thread.  Outside people claiming to be with them hurt attacks and insults left and right.

When you post flamebait such as this

"Retake has failed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1 "

We cannot control what people say. Quit trolling.

Modifié par leondes1, 22 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[CavScout]

NReed106 wrote...

-Plot holes are bad writing plain and simple and there are a ton of them.

Except most reference "plot holes" aren't actually plot holes...

-The synthesis option goes against everything ME has stood for (diversity) and says the only way to have peace is uniformity (despite evidence to the contrary)

It wasn't the only option.

-Games are not art, I can see a painting before buying it, gaming all we have are promises, and reviews which are usually spoiler free for the intended impact of the story.

Games like ME are art. Just as movies and books are art whethere we can "see them" before purchasing them.

-Many of your reasons ME3 should not change are ad hominem attacks against the movement, your reasons for supporting it are hollow.

LOL, what? Not thinking the game needs to be changed is an attack on those who think it does? Holy crap! What does thinking the game needs to be changed mean to those who created the game? It must be a major crime!

"It's philosophical and has large themes"-It has a logical fallacy to excuse the actions of the antagonists.

Huh? What? Choose the destroy option, I gave the Reapers no excuse.

"Artistic integrity dictates the endings can't be changed"-This is not a support for the ending, this is saying you can't change it because that would be wrong. So what? The endings were ****** art, it was ridden with plot holes, deus ex machinas, villain decay, and space magic, all of which are indicative of lazy writing.

And even if true doesn't make it not art...

Changes have been made in the past: Sherlock holmes, Broken Steel FO3. Guess what, the world won't change because this won't be the "first" people call it

Artists can change their art, it's theirs. Consumers don't have the same right.

[durasteel]

CavScout wrote...

Nearly any solution the Crucible + Catalyst was going to have was going to "magical". You basically were expecting it to stop all Reapers in the Galaxy once completed.

I imagined it would function on the principle of indoctrination, actually. The Illusive Man had been making such a big deal about reverse-indoctrination and controling the reapers that I imagined it would broadcast a shutdown signal and leave the Reapers vulnerable for a period of time so that the biggest fleet in ever could pew pew pew.

Modifié par durasteel, 22 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[Shallyah]

The troll has already been exposed. Just move on...

Modifié par Shallyah, 22 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[Oxy Clean]

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

I think I love you.

[ashdrake1]

KTheAlchemist wrote...

ashdrake1 wrote...

You don't think at all a ending that is "forced" upon us is a tool to keep telling a story.  Shepards story may be done, but they have stated the setting will continue, and that we should keep our saves.  It as it always has been with every game in the series.  The ending is always the same, but the choices you make affect the story as it goes.

It doesn't really function in that capacity, though.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this doesn't create a devastated galaxy that is incapable of functioning (which goes back into plot holes, but okay). Let's say that they eventually create better FTL drives and the galaxy sloooowly creeps back up to where it once was and is a place where you could have a game of somewhat similar scope to ME1-3.

You've still got "Is everyone hybrid synthetic?", "Are all synthetics dead?" and "Are the reapers still around under the control of some weird disembodied Shepard-consciousness?". Three things that would grossly change the face of a future ME title to the point that it would probably be beyond even Bioware's means to create such a game.

Given this ending as is, if shepard's story ends and we go on to other stories in this universe that take place later, they're going to have to create a "canon ending" as far as that NEW series of games goes. Forcing us into a tunnel at the end doesn't solve that in any way. It actually makes the problem worse. A universe that's pretty much the same a hundred years into the future to what it is now, is much easier to work around and work player choices into in some fashion than a galaxy whose entire face is changed.

Meanwhile, my and many people's real problem with all this remains: If you're going to ram everything down to 3 off-the-peg choices in pursuit of some philosophical "point", you'd better not promise people something wildly different from what you're planning to deliver.

It really doesn't though.  It's pretty easy to write through.  Reapers never return.  Shepard basically  becomes a god in the control option.  Does not see a reason to return.   Synthesis convinces the reapers they are no longer needed and destroy is obvios.  No need for reapers.  

Even with the destroy option, godchild states we will still create synthetics.  So you do a skin swap for any robot people and change some dialoge.  Same for the synthesis.  It's not like these will be active topics if the place the next game a 1000 years from now.

[CavScout]

KTheAlchemist wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KTheAlchemist wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
Does it not bother you the Godchild uses circular logic, contradicts himself and in one instance, blatantly lies to you?

You willing to lay these out?

Again, do you want to be taken seriously or not? The information and arguments regarding this circular logic everywhere. If you don't want to be seen just as a troll, don't do the "ask people to spoonfeed me the conterargument". It's a move definitely from Trolling 102, possibly 101.

Arguments that are so easy and so obvious are shockingly always in short supply. I would suggest one who has attacked the poster and not the arguments being made (that would be you attacking me) is the real troll.

Well, I'd address the argument being made if you made one...but you didn't. You implied that the person had to spoonfeed you information that is readily available. I pointed out that doing so wasn't helping your argument and was making you look troll-like.

I wasn't actually calling you a troll.

"Are you suggest the son of a duke is an animal?"
"Let us say I suggest you may be human."

You should be willing to own your words. The only thing worse than a troll is a troll that thinks they're being cute.

[leondes1]

Oxy Clean wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

I think I love you.

Bingo, troll exposed, Someone at bioware lock this trend already.

[NReed106]

Shallyah wrote...

Reposting this with fixed links:

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

No wonder the OP liked the endings, she considers it heresy to question artistic intergrity (unless she does it of course).  Such logical fallacies must really appeal to her as the ending has a massive one in the god child's reasoning

[Vaktathi]

 A few points I feel should be made in this thread. 

First is that it is difficult to stand on artistic integrity when you promise 16 endings and deliver 1 in 3 different colors and 99% of the same cinematic. No matter which color you pick or what decisions you made throughout your Mass Effect experience, or how much Mass Effect we played (10 minimum hours of ME3 or 130+ hours of ME1/ME2/ME3+DLC content), in the end Shepard dies, Mass Relays explode, Normandy crashes, The reapers fall over or fly up, and we get colord explosions. That's pretty much it no matter what you do. 

Second, the other half of the ending sequence is a virtual reskin of the ending to the 12 year old game DeusEx. We have the same Control AI/Destroy AI/Merge with AI options in the same Red, Blue and Green flavors that DeusEx gave us 12 years ago, except in DeusEx they actually resulted in 3 completely different outcomes.

Finally, video games as art aren't purely there for the expression of the creator alone. Hell, in this case the players are the co-creators, crafting a story in a world Bioware devised. Bioware themselves said this. This paradigm collapses completely in the ending we are given. Video games are Art as a Product. Their art is there to satisfy a demand. If they fail to satisfy the demand then they fail as art and in its purpose as art as well, and when that happens they can and should be changed if they are to remain relevant. 

Trying to argue "Artistic Integrity" with these elephants in the room is kinda silly. You can argue support for the ending on other reasons, but artistic integrity is...well, it's not one of them. 

[MintyCool]

GodChildInTheMachine wrote...

You go out of your way to present yourself as more intellectually superior and honest than I am, yet you will not respond to individuals who are posting thoughtful counterpoints to your argument.

MintyCool wrote...

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

Okay, so the OP responded with everybody that pat him in the back, but to none of the people questioning his arguments. I guess that tells me all I need to know.

When I take part in a discussion I try to be civil and eloquent. I apologize, but at the moment I have Retake members bashing me and then flooding my inbox with spam and threats. I will try to answer your questions tonight when I'm home from work.

Bear with me, Thank you.

I did post the above.... So quick to attack someone over nothing... Anyways....

I will try to respond best I can, if I missed your argument please repost it and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

Lugaidster wrote...

This whole ordeal between pro-enders and anti-enders is starting to look like a religious war. It reminds me of Creationism vs Evolution Theory.

I do feel like I'm being stoned....

longlun wrote...

You're just wrong.

The real Retake mantra...

CavScout wrote...

Now I have a question about the Original Post, if you would like to answer it.
Why is Mass Effect 3 "art"?

Do you feel film, literature, modern advertising is art? It's creative expression. If you feel that something commercially motivated disqualifies it as being art, congrats, you've just mentioned everything from Star Wars to Casablanca.

beyzend wrote...
**** EA basically. I bet EA rushed the game in their quest for bull****.

I find this to be a interesting coping mechanism for the Retake Movement;

One of the reasons why I was attacked so harshly with threats and rage was because Retake feels there must be a slavish-obedience when it comes to their opinion in the community. If your voice differs, you are attacked.

Bullies kept them in line. It's the equivalent to the political whip.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Nice post OP, very good read.

Thanks.

aliengmr1 wrote...

Problem is you stand for nothing except a counter to retake.

Our movement does not have such insular goal...

Pro-Enders Mission:

We defend creative risk and artistic integrity in all mediums of art.

We feel it's not the public's right to demand that the fiction of the Mass Effect Universe be altered just because they disagree with narratives conclusion. If changes are made to the fiction; we feel the repercussions will send devastating ripples throughout the entire industry.

We support artistic integrity by respecting the Mass Effect narrative in its original entirety.

KaiVanVlack wrote...

Pretty sure the problem is not that we want more than what Bioware planned to give but that they didn't deliver what THEY said they would.

They did deliver; just not in the ways your perspective seems to accept the interpretation.

Still writing; bear with me, thank you.

Modifié par MintyCool, 22 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[Ultra Prism]

Good luck 2%, seriously wish you best of luck

[Admoniter]

I don't consider myself part of the pro-ending movement but I'm glad that there are others out there that can respect Biowares stance of not compromising their vision for mass effect. I'll readily admit the presentation around the endings needs quite a bit of work, and I hope that Bioware puts the effort in to rectifying that. But I believe then endings in and of themselves are completely serviceable and IMO completely rewriting new endings would do just as much harm as good to the IP.

So while I don't outright support you OP I can respect and get behind your stance.

[Lexagg]

"Creative integrity" is an excuse to do get away with selling bad product.

[RiouHotaru]

leondes1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Oxy Clean wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sassafrass23 wrote...

When you raise over 70k in revenue to support your claims like we did then ill view your topic as the majority. Otherwise YOU are the minority here not us
.Hold the line

...Are you f*ing kidding me?  So because the pro-enders don't have a charity we're suddenly irrevelant?

WELP, there goes any respect I had for Retake!

The ignorance of one person does not classify the whole group as ignorant.

We all know what happens when we judge an entire group based on the actions of one person that happens to have connections with that group.

But this isn't the first time, nor even remotely close to the last, that someone using the group's tagline or otherwise claiming to be a part of them has said things like this.

They continue to insist that they should act with 'civility' and 'courtesy', and then one of them comes along and drops a bomb like this.  In fact the ONLY place where civility occurs is inside their own thread.  Outside people claiming to be with them hurt attacks and insults left and right.

When you post flamebait such as this

"Retake has failed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1 "

We cannot control what people say. Quit trolling.

I didn't post that.  Where did you ever get the idea I posted that?

[Cloaking_Thane]

NReed106 wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

Reposting this with fixed links:

Hello OP.

I took the liberty to take five minutes of my free time to find a bit of where does that hipstery attitude of yours come from, as to insult about everyone as if they are incapable of apprecaiting art in such a high and mighty manner as you do.

** Here is you bashing Dragon Age 2 with your hipstery attitude: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4799687

You failed to convince anyone, apparently. Dragon Age 2 was a massive success.


** Here's you calling doom and gloom over Mass Effect 3 multiplayer: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8437526

Obviously you failed too, as Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer seems to have received massive acceptance, and the weekend event "Operation Goliath" has been successfully met, despite the backlash due to the endings controversy.


** Here is you being a hipster about why Liara shouldn't be playable in Mass Effect 3: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1707508

Another failure for you, my friend. Liara made it into the game and seems to be by far the most liked and popular character (though seriously, Tali needs more love!)


** And here is you explaining how Mass Effect as a whole sucks, and The Witcher is so much better franchise: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4536498

Another massive failure, as Mass Effect franchise has an overwhelmingly superior success over The Witcher in all fields.

You are quite the Bioware fan, I see. Ready to stab at every opportunity the company of which now you claim to be defending their artistic integrity. Artistic integrity which you have tried to violate in some of those posts I've linked, by calling bioware a range of things from incompetent to inefficient, as well as untalented.

I come to the conclussion that you really do not care about what you are saying, you only seek to disagree with what people want, perhaps in some kind of personal vendetta against humanity and general enjoyment. All this Pro-ender stuff is just another way for you to vent and attempt to ruin other people's days, in the hopes that Bioware will actually listen to someone that can only agree on disagreeing with what 98% of the players want.

Well, this time too, you have lost. Please feel free to contradict me, or be a hipster overanayzing what I said.

No wonder the OP liked the endings, she considers it heresy to question artistic intergrity (unless she does it of course).  Such logical fallacies must really appeal to her as the ending has a massive one in the god child's reasoning

[General User]

ashdrake1 wrote...

General User wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Artistic integrity argument falls flat on its arse.

I would like to call to the stand Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens and JK Rowling.

Ms Rowling, is it true that you altered your original plans for the ending to "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" out of respect for fan requests that Harry Potter not die?

"Yes it is"

Thankyou. Mr Conan Doyle, did you bring your hero "Sherlock Holmes" back to life following a long and drawn out campaign by readers of your literature?

"Yes I did."

And lastly Mr Dickens, widely considered among the greatest novelists of all time, did you alter the ending to your masterpiece, "Great Expectations" at the behest of your readers?

"I did."

Well your honour, unless anyone here cares to question the "artistic integrity" of my witnesses, I rest my case.

Checkmate. For real this time. Thread over, go home everyone.

Artists can change their art, I don't think anyone is disputing that. What is being disputed is that consumer have the right to force said changes.

The nutter who filed the complaint with the American FTC and his ilk notwithstanding, I really don't think the Retake movement is about 'forcing' Bioware to do anything so much as putting pressure on them to do so.

It's an important distinction.  EA/Bioware can respond to the fan pressure or not, there will be positive and negative consequences either way.

Take a look at metacritic.  Games survive on thier ratings.  The reviewer scores there are nothing more than a terrorist attack, forcing the company to comply of let the game wither and die.

Comparing the reviewer scores on Metacritic to a terrorist attack?

Yikes.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[CavScout]

Mahrac wrote...
the point of keeping the planet was to rebuild it. later it was because it offered a better base of operations for self-defense. They CAN live anywhere, but they won't be able to stay anywhere unless the quarians are willing to try for peace

The Quarians just want their homeworld back. The Geth could have tried for peace and bailed on that planet a long time ago. They didn't. Instead they killed anyone who came poking around their territory. Then you had some decided to help Sovereign out.

Peace makers indeed....

[OblivionDawn]

Yeah this thread is cute and all but, just because something is "art," doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

Like the ending to Mass Effect 3.

[leondes1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Oxy Clean wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sassafrass23 wrote...

When you raise over 70k in revenue to support your claims like we did then ill view your topic as the majority. Otherwise YOU are the minority here not us
.Hold the line

...Are you f*ing kidding me?  So because the pro-enders don't have a charity we're suddenly irrevelant?

WELP, there goes any respect I had for Retake!

The ignorance of one person does not classify the whole group as ignorant.

We all know what happens when we judge an entire group based on the actions of one person that happens to have connections with that group.

But this isn't the first time, nor even remotely close to the last, that someone using the group's tagline or otherwise claiming to be a part of them has said things like this.

They continue to insist that they should act with 'civility' and 'courtesy', and then one of them comes along and drops a bomb like this.  In fact the ONLY place where civility occurs is inside their own thread.  Outside people claiming to be with them hurt attacks and insults left and right.

When you post flamebait such as this

"Retake has failed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1 "

We cannot control what people say. Quit trolling.

I didn't post that.  Where did you ever get the idea I posted that?

"Your movement", not you personally. Read your own trends, your OP poster has been exposed. QUIT TROLLING

Modifié par leondes1, 22 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Lexagg]

"Creative integrity" is an excuse used by bad artists who can't stand criticism.

[Vaktathi]

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...
the point of keeping the planet was to rebuild it. later it was because it offered a better base of operations for self-defense. They CAN live anywhere, but they won't be able to stay anywhere unless the quarians are willing to try for peace

The Quarians just want their homeworld back. The Geth could have tried for peace and bailed on that planet a long time ago. They didn't. Instead they killed anyone who came poking around their territory. Then you had some decided to help Sovereign out.

They seemed pretty willing to allow the Quarrians back since at least ME2, they always pretty much seemed to not mind the Quarrians coming back as long as they didn't try to kill them again. 

[Cloaking_Thane]

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...
the point of keeping the planet was to rebuild it. later it was because it offered a better base of operations for self-defense. They CAN live anywhere, but they won't be able to stay anywhere unless the quarians are willing to try for peace

The Quarians just want their homeworld back. The Geth could have tried for peace and bailed on that planet a long time ago. They didn't. Instead they killed anyone who came poking around their territory. Then you had some decided to help Sovereign out.

Peace makers indeed....

It's their homeworld as well, and they were threatened with extinction, initiated by the quarians. I wouldnt think many organics were great either.........

Legion states as much, that for 200 years Shep was about the only nice organic to them and changed their perspective

[RiouHotaru]

leondes1 wrote...

"Your movement", not you personally. Read your own trends, your OP poster has been exposed. QUIT TROLLING

Just because the OP is a troll doesn't mean I don't support a movement for people who are Pro-Enders.  So now that I'm in support of the endings and of people in support of endings getting together I'm a troll?

[111987]

Vaktathi wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...
the point of keeping the planet was to rebuild it. later it was because it offered a better base of operations for self-defense. They CAN live anywhere, but they won't be able to stay anywhere unless the quarians are willing to try for peace

The Quarians just want their homeworld back. The Geth could have tried for peace and bailed on that planet a long time ago. They didn't. Instead they killed anyone who came poking around their territory. Then you had some decided to help Sovereign out.

They seemed pretty willing to allow the Quarrians back since at least ME2, they always pretty much seemed to not mind the Quarrians coming back as long as they didn't try to kill them again. 

Actually, Legion says they wouldn't accept the Quarians back in ME2 because their simulations always resulted in eventual war.