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[MintyCool]

leondes1 wrote...

It's just to get people worked up. I'm on my way out....

You've said that for the last two hours....
 

[leondes1]

Hearnishere123 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Hearnishere123 wrote...

 All Retake Mass Effect members Please leave this thread. I know you are just trying to point out what we think makes them wrong, but by doing this you are adding Fuel to the fire, proveing them right about us being crazy or Flamers. If you can not reply without insulting these people then your no better than Trolls. I am sorry to say that, but it is true. They have the right to this thread even if then post the link on out threads. We must stand fast, not let anger control us, and KEEP HOLDING THE LINE! But from what I have seen, most of yall are not Holding The Line, but chargeing into battle. This shouldnt be our way, you all should know this, fighting will lead to both sides voices being unheard by others.

Retakers: Be kind or go watch youtube.

Pro-enders: I respect your right to what you think, but may I ask so kindly not to post on other threads with this threads link saying that:

MintyCool wrote...

Retake has failed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1

I hope both sides calm down soon. We can hate eachother, disagree with eachother, but when we start fighting, we are no better then rabid aninals,

You may not like my reply but your movement is a massive fail.

The mainstream media, public, and game development community, view you as nothing more than a vocal minority.

This is even mentioned here:www.ign.com/videos/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-a-dangerous-precedent

I mean, when Ken Levine, creator of Bioshock states his displeasure about your movements intentions it's not exactly a good thing...

Fade away, time of the real majority to have a say.

Checkmate.

True, but it has happen before, Look at Fallout 2 [maybe 3 i dont know because i only read about it] but they have changed their ending because fans did not like it. Now you have a point that we most likely will fail, but even if we fail we win, we have rasied $78,035 dollars to Child's Play so if bioware never changes the ending, and we never get what we want, atleast we will know that we helpped kids who need it. So we are happy with that, however the reason people from our movement are attacking is because:
1. you set flamebait in which they took and didnt think before hand.
2. You are telling people to give up hope, which is just sad of someone to do.
3. Instead of letting us "fade away" like you say we are, you went and got in our faces.

Now I respect that you wanted for us to shut up, but wanting us to shut up is like us wanting you to shut up. So in the end, no one have the moral high ground. :/

This

[CavScout]

Lexagg wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sassafrass23 wrote...

When you raise over 70k in revenue to support your claims like we did then ill view your topic as the majority. Otherwise YOU are the minority here not us
.Hold the line

Besides the fact that the vast majority of the RetakeME haven't donated a cent to that cause, are you suggesting that you are using that cause to give legitimacy to your claims?

Besides the fact that you can't back up anything you say and basically talk out of your ass, I'm sure you are correct.

You know I am correct. We can see how many donations have been made on the donations website. That number is a tiny, tiny number compared to the claimed numbers of Retake.

Don't be pissed because you were taken to task for suggesting some folks supporting charity gives everyone else on their "side" the right to dismiss someone else based on their charity donations or lack thereof.

You should never have brought in the charity as a weapon in the debate. You did. You look foolish.

[Ozai75]

Stop Responding.. report this post and the Thread Starter as a Troll and move ON everyone. Sheesh.

[MeganHunter]

Lugaidster wrote...

MeganHunter wrote...

I respect that. I actually went to art school. Then I worked at Mattel for the better part of a decade, making IP. Here's the thing: it wasn't art. It was directed by the market research group, and refined by the marketers to make the most money possible. It sounds ugly, but it was never our job to make toys kids liked. It was our job to make toys moms would buy. It never went deeper than that.

For your Batman analogy, I was there when we put him into day glow orange "stealth suits." We did this because little kids like glowy orange things, they like stealth, and they don't like thinking too hard.    But my point stands, every action figure designer HATED that Batman but they made him anyway. Because that's what the customers wanted.

When the great renaissance artists worked for patrons, they didn't get to just make whatever they felt like willy nilly. Someone put it great the other day, saying that if you paid for a series of three paintings, and the artist gave you two paintings and an awful sculpture, you'd be well within your rights to say that this wasn't what you paid for.

Bioware, and especially EA, is essentially the same thing: they're not artists, they're designers. They're totally allowed to make their own world, their own ending, and not change a thing. What they're not allowed to do is complain that customers are complaining, or say that we're not allowed to hold diminished brand loyalty from our disappointment. Corporations scream about the free market when it helps them pay less taxes, but apparently don't want it to extend to us effectively voting on consumer products with our pocketbooks.

I don't mean to sound snarky though, I compeltely agree with you on all counts. I myself am a bit jaded from my career. But those creatives who work in these industries know that they're not fine artists, they're product designers. Just because it's pretty or moving doesn't mean it's art.

To put it another way. With great art, if most people don't fully get it, you could be doing an awesome job. With great design, if even one person didn't get it, you failed in your design criteria.

You only showed art that lacks integrity. By the way, you said it right there "they're not fine artists", but they're certainly artists. That's the part where integrity enters. A sell-out is still an artist, just a shody one. And it's still his call when he wants to sell out. Sure you can say once a sell-out, always a sell-out, but it's still his call. Poor art is art. Fine art is art. Videogames are art, maybe one motivated by money, but it's still art. And I certainly doubt that the writers in Bioware are as low as some would paint them to be. They did, after all, create Mass Effect. They may not have Micheangelo's integrity, but they have their's nonetheless. By calling them otherwise, you aren't really doing the movement a favor.

I wasn't talking about this movement, my own movement, or any of that at all. I was actually just looking for your pic so I could friend request you. But it's all good.

[MintyCool]

killnoob wrote...

shamE12 wrote...

You realize the the game "journalists"(LOL) that posted articles in favor of the endings were paid to do so right?

" if you don't not agree us, you are  EA/Bioware's puppet"

Another Retake ME 3 cult motto.

Civility and Respect? lol

^

[KTheAlchemist]

This game was marketed and sold on choice, and choice that creates different plots and different resolutions. Bottom line, you can't expect to offer that and still offer a single "artistic vision" story. It's just not a realistic thing to offer. So, if they wanted to tell a story with a very narrow set of endings, they shouldn't have marketed it as something else.

[Lexagg]

ashdrake1 wrote...

No you are not  you trolling this thread telling everyone you disagree with that they don't count.  You have had no real impact on this thread other than you guys are dumb hur hur.

I think you need to go back and take some reading comprehension classes.

[leondes1]

MintyCool wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

It's just to get people worked up. I'm on my way out....

You've said that for the last two hours....
 

Well, you being a troll and all, got to make it known. Now I'm out, and I hope this dies soon enough or gets pulled becaue of the insane amount of flamebait you have attempted to set off.

[Fruxie]

While I respect your opinion, I can't see Bioware suffering from putting out an alternate ending for the fans that would like it. In fact, I see their situation only improving. And you don't have to play it/watch it if you don't want.

[Lexagg]

CavScout wrote...

You know I am correct. We can see how many donations have been made on the donations website. That number is a tiny, tiny number compared to the claimed numbers of Retake.

Don't be pissed because you were taken to task for suggesting some folks supporting charity gives everyone else on their "side" the right to dismiss someone else based on their charity donations or lack thereof.

You should never have brought in the charity as a weapon in the debate. You did. You look foolish.

I DID? Quote please. Or is it another one of your "talking out of the ass" cases?

[shamE12]

killnoob wrote...

shamE12 wrote...

You realize the the game "journalists"(LOL) that posted articles in favor of the endings were paid to do so right?

" if you don't not agree us, you are  EA/Bioware's puppet"

Another Retake ME 3 cult motto.

Civility and Respect? lol

 

Are you kidding me? Take adblock off and look at some of their websites or videos. Advertisment money will dictate the review of any game not just mass effect. Also I do not hate bioware, EA is the ones throwing the money around.

[Dreogan]

KTheAlchemist wrote...

This game was marketed designed and sold on choice, and choice that creates different plots and different resolutions. Bottom line, you can't expect to offer that and still offer a single "artistic vision" story. It's just not a realistic thing to offer. So, if they wanted to tell a story with a very narrow set of endings, they shouldn't have marketed it as something else.

In a sense, they abdicated their "artistic vision" of player choice with these endings.

Modifié par Dreogan, 22 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Skeejee]

Am I allowed to sit in the middle? I don't want to get up and rabid about the ending and retaking ME3 and what, but the ending felt....very unsatisfying and out of the blue.

I don't want the ending completely remade. Instead, I want the game to *continue*. Don't change anything about what we did or what we chose, but continue the ending on.

Because to me, Indoc Theory holds considerable weight, and the ending could be made amazing if that's what it turns out to be.

[MintyCool]

Hey Pro-Enders, anyone notice the massive cult-like responses from Retake? They feel that if they simply "stop posting" well simply just fade away and they will dominate the forum again? As if we won't continue to keep updating this thread....

How incredibly laughable.

Modifié par MintyCool, 22 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[CavScout]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

Yay, fail analogy! How about this - you purchase a wrapped book that the ad tells you is a noir detective. You bring it home and it's a teen love story about vampires.

Wrong perfect analogy.......and in your fail analogy I can go back and demand it be changed...welcome to the real world

No you don't. You exchange it for the right book. You don't make the author of one book rewrite it so it's the book you want.

[CavScout]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

is checkmate the pro-enders version of hold the line? amusing...

It's more like one posters. Both are annoying thou.

[Lexagg]

MintyCool wrote...

Hey Pro-Enders anyone notice the massive Retake cult-like responses that if they simply "stop posting" that well just fade away and they will dominate the forum again? As if we won't continue to keep updating this thread....

How incredibly laughable.

We both have plenty of time sweetheart, we can troll each other all night. Don't be gentle.

[ashdrake1]

KTheAlchemist wrote...

ashdrake1 wrote...


Again diffrence of opinion.  Bio delivered a large number of endings

If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.
At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is destroyed.
At a 2,050 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
At a 2,800 Readiness Rating you’re able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.
If
you imported a save where the collector’s base was destroyed or you
didn’t import a Mass Effect 2 save, then these are your possible
endings:

If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is
destroyed regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become
one.
At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is destroyed.
At a 1,900 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
At a 2,800 Readiness Rating, you are able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.


It may be a tad shy of 18, but it's still a reasonable number.  They still delivered a unparalled trip to the end, and for some of us all the way through the end.  

Actually, they promised not just "16 endings" (whether or not your list is nit picking I'll leave to an argument that would likely go nowhere), but "wildly divergent endings". Whether or not you can call that list a true list of "different endings" rather than essentially the same ending with utterly minor tweaks, you can't with a straight face say that there was true significant difference between them.

I can honestly say I thought the choices at the end were significant.  It took me a bit to decide on what path.  I do admit the graphics and emplation of the choices was lazy, that did not matter when the choice was in front of me.  Don't get me wrong.  I do have issues with end.  I enjoyed it, but it did have problems.  Why is normandy running?  Why is the guy I was on the ground in the ship?  How can shepard breath in space? 

I have not and will never say the ending is perfect.  That is my view as a critic.  Making them change it because I had problems with it disrespects the entire journey they led us through.  It was thier story not ours, we just got to listen and play around in it a bit.

[KTheAlchemist]

CavScout wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

Yay, fail analogy! How about this - you purchase a wrapped book that the ad tells you is a noir detective. You bring it home and it's a teen love story about vampires.

Wrong perfect analogy.......and in your fail analogy I can go back and demand it be changed...welcome to the real world

No you don't. You exchange it for the right book. You don't make the author of one book rewrite it so it's the book you want.

You could ask the author to write additional or supplemental publications that explain more or even somewhat recon the story. The author could then decide whether or not this is somethign they want to do.

Yanno that Sherlock Holmes thing that keeps coming up?

Yeah.

[Ozai75]

MintyCool wrote...

[color=rgb(255, 204, 153)">Hey Pro-Enders, anyone notice the massive cult-like responses from <span style="font-weight: bold]Retake? They feel[/color] that if they simply "stop posting" well simply just fade away and they will dominate the forum again? As if we won't continue to keep updating this thread....

How incredibly laughable.

You wont once it gets End of Line'd.  Which it will.

[CavScout]

leondes1 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

Bingo, troll exposed, Someone at bioware lock this trend already.

The Retake Motto.

Can you really flame any harder? You have already been exposed. Even people in your own trend see that. 

Flamebaiting troll

The amount of hate in the trend is out of hand and it should be locked for that reason. What you just did there just shows how much of a troll you really are. We don't need hate, we need open discussions not flamebaiting. This trend is continues to push out more and more hate out by the minute.

Is it not utterly self-serving for RetakeME folks to come into a thread they disagree with and vomit all over it and then demand it should be locked because it has vomit all over it?

[Lexagg]

CavScout wrote...

No you don't. You exchange it for the right book. You don't make the author of one book rewrite it so it's the book you want.

Well, I'm waiting to exchange it for the right game. You know, the one they advertised.

[Vaktathi]

CavScout wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

Yay, fail analogy! How about this - you purchase a wrapped book that the ad tells you is a noir detective. You bring it home and it's a teen love story about vampires.

Wrong perfect analogy.......and in your fail analogy I can go back and demand it be changed...welcome to the real world

No you don't. You exchange it for the right book. You don't make the author of one book rewrite it so it's the book you want.

The book didn't cost $60-80 and have you create your own story within their setting with you as co-creater the way mass effect did. Very different things. 

[InfiniteDemise]

MintyCool wrote...

Hey Pro-Enders, anyone notice the massive cult-like responses from Retake? They feel that if they simply "stop posting" well simply just fade away and they will dominate the forum again? As if we won't continue to keep updating this thread....

How incredibly laughable.

Still waiting for this:

A shame, then, that the "real majority", being so massive and all, can't
manage to reverse the negative reviews on metacritic and amazon, eh?