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MintyCool wrote...

Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


Oh yeah, let me just establish mental links with our hive mind... BZZZZT... done! Our great collective shall no longer be a threat to your upstart campaign.

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Mahrac wrote...

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Nearly any solution the Crucible + Catalyst was going to have was going to "magical". You basically were expecting it to stop all Reapers in the Galaxy once completed.


I imagined it would function on the principle of indoctrination, actually. The Illusive Man had been making such a big deal about reverse-indoctrination and controling the reapers that I imagined it would broadcast a shutdown signal and leave the Reapers vulnerable for a period of time so that the biggest fleet in ever could pew pew pew.


In the end, depending on the ending you went for, it basically was a big broadcast signal that used the relays to propagate.

which still leaves no rhyme or reason for the relays to explode


I'll go with you in that the underlying reason(s) wasn't given. That doesn't make it good or bad though. You could chalk it up to the enegy field destroying all Reaper tech. Or a bunch of other reasons I suspect.

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This stupid thread needs to die. Really, 'Pro-Enders'? Are we having faction wars now? No.

Nobody wants constant updates on 'major blows to X' or 'tide shifts to X' nonsense.
Thank you for the flame wars anyway, OP. The forums -really- needed this.

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MintyCool wrote...

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From the Forum Rules:

7. No fighting or flame wars. There is no place for fighting and
flaming others on these message boards. Disagreeing with other Community
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Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


I am sorry and I am doing what I can to get our people out of this thread. :/ sorry

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MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


Still waiting.

A shame, then, that the "real majority", being so massive and all, can't
manage to reverse the negative reviews on metacritic and amazon, eh?

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frostajulie wrote...

I am glad "so many" found delight in the ending that consisted of suicide, suicide, and suicide in 3 colors. I do however hope your movement fails there was nothing artistic about the ending and I do not think you understand the meaning of the word integrity.

The developers said the ending would not be a choice between door A B or C.

Lie.

They said that there would be many different endings. 3 different ways to kill yourself that all end the same is not many different endings.

Lie

When people lie that is actually called a LACK of integrity.


Hint hint: they aren't actually reading, so don't bother arguing. Just go with the flow.

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MintyCool wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

From the Forum Rules:

7. No fighting or flame wars. There is no place for fighting and
flaming others on these message boards. Disagreeing with other Community
members is acceptable and understood, but actively fighting and/or
flaming will not be tolerated. Topics that are designed to start a flame
war (defined as abrasive and/or offensive argument that serves no
purpose but to make people mad) or posts made that are discourteous
and/or hostile to other Community members or the discussion at hand will
be treated as Spam and deleted without warning. If someone acts in a
hostile manner to you or to others, DO NOT engage a person or persons
who is fighting. Contact staff or a volunteer moderator and let them
handle the issue. What is considered fighting or flaming is up to the
discretion of staff and volunteer moderators. A person or persons found
to fight with or flame others may be banned from these forums at the
discretion of the staff.


Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


What good discussions?  You've added nothing to BSN and nothing at all to this thread.  The whole point of this thread is to start a Flame War and that's why that was posted.

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ashdrake1 wrote...

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Lexagg wrote...

Yay, fail analogy! How about this - you purchase a wrapped book that the ad tells you is a noir detective. You bring it home and it's a teen love story about vampires.


Wrong perfect analogy.......and in your fail analogy I can go back and demand it be changed...welcome to the real world


No you don't. You exchange it for the right book. You don't make the author of one book rewrite it so it's the book you want.


You could ask the author to write additional or supplemental publications that explain more or even somewhat recon the story. The author could then decide whether or not this is somethign they want to do.

Yanno that Sherlock Holmes thing that keeps coming up?

Yeah.



Why do people keep bringing up sherlock holmes?  Holmes stayed dead for 8 years despite cries from fans.  it was Doyle seeing a ghostly hound that prompted him to bring back the character.  He wanted to do anouther mystery and decided not to create a new character as he already had one he was familer with.  


For what reason he truly did it is, honeslty, a question left to history. At any rate, it's just one example, many others have been given, and the central point remains the same: Asking a company to create supplemental and/or somewhat reteconned material because they so dislike what has happened and then allowing the artist or author to decide whether or not they're willing to do it isn't some horrible, onerous thing.

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InfiniteDemise wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


Still waiting.

A shame, then, that the "real majority", being so massive and all, can't
manage to reverse the negative reviews on metacritic and amazon, eh?


How many more times are you going to copy and paste this post? I suggest 4.

Modifié par MintyCool, 22 mars 2012 - 04:10 .


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The augment that this is art and they can’t change it because art is the vision of the artist well BW has done it before .Their fans mean a lot to them "The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception," the apology post on Bioware's forums reads. "We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel."

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MintyCool wrote...

InfiniteDemise wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


Still waiting.

A shame, then, that the "real majority", being so massive and all, can't
manage to reverse the negative reviews on metacritic and amazon, eh?


How many more times are you going  to copy and paste this post? I suggest 4.


I suggest you answer it.

Checkmate.

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MintyCool wrote...

Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."


Yes, I do mind.

MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


I don't see any good discussion happening in this thread.  I see a flame war.  I am waiting to see who continues to abuse their forum privileges so I know to whom I should issue bans.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 22 mars 2012 - 04:10 .


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How many more times are you going  to copy and paste this post? I suggest 4.


Probably as many times as you copy-pasted " ^ ", so at least 36.

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Zolt51 wrote...

Nailed it. That ending isn't perfect, but it achieves what it set out to do, and is consistent with the themes of the game.
Leaving some points open like the future of the Krogan is a good thing. It makes you think, in a good way. 
Not saying who survived the final battle: less so, but that at least can be realistically addressed.

By the way there is no such thing as momentum. All creative decisions rest with Bioware. If this is a democracy, then the only way you can vote is with your wallet. And you already did, game registered and all.

And honestly, I'm not sure what the "Retake Mass Effect" crowd hopes to achieve. Retcon the whole game? Just show me one way of doing it that's practical and consistent, and a net benefit for Bioware and I'll sign on, but I've yet to see that.

OP however if you want to avoid intense flaming, I suggest you edit out any "momentum is ours" and "we know we are right". That's just not nice, whatever the topic.

Whatever Bioware does, I predict these forums will still be a hotbed of whine 6 months from now.


The mission of the Retake movement from what i've seen is the addition of more choices in the endings to satisfy a greater number of people without actually altering the current endings for those who like them. Not one person has said anything about retconning the whole game.

#815
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Ozai75 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

From the Forum Rules:

7. No fighting or flame wars. There is no place for fighting and
flaming others on these message boards. Disagreeing with other Community
members is acceptable and understood, but actively fighting and/or
flaming will not be tolerated. Topics that are designed to start a flame
war (defined as abrasive and/or offensive argument that serves no
purpose but to make people mad) or posts made that are discourteous
and/or hostile to other Community members or the discussion at hand will
be treated as Spam and deleted without warning. If someone acts in a
hostile manner to you or to others, DO NOT engage a person or persons
who is fighting. Contact staff or a volunteer moderator and let them
handle the issue. What is considered fighting or flaming is up to the
discretion of staff and volunteer moderators. A person or persons found
to fight with or flame others may be banned from these forums at the
discretion of the staff.


Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


What good discussions?  You've added nothing to BSN and nothing at all to this thread.  The whole point of this thread is to start a Flame War and that's why that was posted.


Please dont say that, if you are a retake member [at this point without a banner i cant tell so sorry if im wrong] please head back to the thread you came from or the main retake thread.

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Mahrac wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Mahrac wrote...
the point of keeping the planet was to rebuild it. later it was because it offered a better base of operations for self-defense. They CAN live anywhere, but they won't be able to stay anywhere unless the quarians are willing to try for peace


The Quarians just want their homeworld back. The Geth could have tried for peace and bailed on that planet a long time ago. They didn't. Instead they killed anyone who came poking around their territory. Then you had some decided to help Sovereign out.

They seemed pretty willing to allow the Quarrians back since at least ME2, they always pretty much seemed to not mind the Quarrians coming back as long as they didn't try to kill them again. 


When where the Quarians allowed back in ME2?

talk to legion. he says they're willing to give it back

also, the quarians DID want to kill them, because they didn't think the geth were open to peace. it's a self sustaining conflict (that shepard can end, permanently)


If they were willing to give it back... why were they there whent he Quarians returned?

As for the conflict, you can not say the war was ended permanently. Momentarily yes, permanently no.

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MintyCool wrote...

InfiniteDemise wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


Still waiting.

A shame, then, that the "real majority", being so massive and all, can't
manage to reverse the negative reviews on metacritic and amazon, eh?


How many more times are you going to copy and paste this post? I suggest 4.


Typical troll comment.

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Cgrissom wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Nailed it. That ending isn't perfect, but it achieves what it set out to do, and is consistent with the themes of the game.
Leaving some points open like the future of the Krogan is a good thing. It makes you think, in a good way. 
Not saying who survived the final battle: less so, but that at least can be realistically addressed.

By the way there is no such thing as momentum. All creative decisions rest with Bioware. If this is a democracy, then the only way you can vote is with your wallet. And you already did, game registered and all.

And honestly, I'm not sure what the "Retake Mass Effect" crowd hopes to achieve. Retcon the whole game? Just show me one way of doing it that's practical and consistent, and a net benefit for Bioware and I'll sign on, but I've yet to see that.

OP however if you want to avoid intense flaming, I suggest you edit out any "momentum is ours" and "we know we are right". That's just not nice, whatever the topic.

Whatever Bioware does, I predict these forums will still be a hotbed of whine 6 months from now.


The mission of the Retake movement from what i've seen is the addition of more choices in the endings to satisfy a greater number of people without actually altering the current endings for those who like them. Not one person has said anything about retconning the whole game.


This. Exactly this. Add to and not take away or change. This is what we're asking for. More options as we were promised, not "delete the old options" or "betray your artistic integrity from when you wrote the other endings".

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shamE12 wrote...

You realize the the game "journalists"(LOL) that posted articles in favor of the endings were paid to do so right?


Conspiracy theories are poor argument points.

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KTheAlchemist wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Nailed it. That ending isn't perfect, but it achieves what it set out to do, and is consistent with the themes of the game.
Leaving some points open like the future of the Krogan is a good thing. It makes you think, in a good way. 
Not saying who survived the final battle: less so, but that at least can be realistically addressed.

By the way there is no such thing as momentum. All creative decisions rest with Bioware. If this is a democracy, then the only way you can vote is with your wallet. And you already did, game registered and all.

And honestly, I'm not sure what the "Retake Mass Effect" crowd hopes to achieve. Retcon the whole game? Just show me one way of doing it that's practical and consistent, and a net benefit for Bioware and I'll sign on, but I've yet to see that.

OP however if you want to avoid intense flaming, I suggest you edit out any "momentum is ours" and "we know we are right". That's just not nice, whatever the topic.

Whatever Bioware does, I predict these forums will still be a hotbed of whine 6 months from now.


The mission of the Retake movement from what i've seen is the addition of more choices in the endings to satisfy a greater number of people without actually altering the current endings for those who like them. Not one person has said anything about retconning the whole game.


This. Exactly this. Add to and not take away or change. This is what we're asking for. More options as we were promised, not "delete the old options" or "betray your artistic integrity from when you wrote the other endings".


I don't think the message of the Retakers is exactly the same. A lot of people want a lot of different things, from clarification on plot points, to indoctrination theory, to an entirely new ending, etc...

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Dreogan wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...Art is subjective. As such, it can be compared with other forms of art. If you don't understand that word, you have bigger issues.

What is not subjective is the passage of time. Mass Effect is ephemeral; it absolutely will not last. It was produced to be consumed and discarded. The David, however, is on a completely different pedestal. It is to be honored, mimiced, studied.If the David is a fine gilded teacup, Mass Effect is a filthy paper cup.To raise Mass Effect up to the level of the David is to insult the David.






While I agree with part of that statement. You merely defined what's you opinion on the subject. As such, anuone can compare David to mass effect. You might take it as an insult, but that's your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Fine art is a sub-group of art.

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KTheAlchemist wrote...

This. Exactly this. Add to and not take away or change. This is what we're asking for. More options as we were promised, not "delete the old options" or "betray your artistic integrity from when you wrote the other endings".


There must be something about this statement that makes the soundwaves collapse in some strange manner, because no matter how many times it has been said, I have yet to see a single person respond, or even acknowledge it.

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RaenImrahl wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Would your mind pming every Retake member that seems to spam the thread with, "Let this thread die."


Yes, I do mind.

MintyCool wrote...

It hurts good discussions that are happening with-in this thread.


I don't see any good discussion happening in this thread.  I see a flame war.  I am waiting to see who continues to abuse their forum privileges so I know to whom I should issue bans.


I am so sorry, I am trying my best to get Retake members out of the thread, please bare with us as we try to stop this peacefully.

And FYI I told yall a mod would come if you reported the thread -.-;

Retake members, please leave, I dont know how many time I have to keep asking kindly, but us being here isnt helping anyone. This is not "Holding the line" This is "Charge and kill them al" And we dont need that, so please stop and leave :/

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MintyCool wrote...

You may not like my reply but your movement is a massive fail.

The mainstream media, public, and game development community, view you as nothing more than a vocal minority.

This is even mentioned here:www.ign.com/videos/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-a-dangerous-precedent

I mean, when Ken Levine, creator of Bioshock states his displeasure about your movements intentions it's not exactly a good thing...

Fade away, time of the real majority to have a say.

Checkmate.


Okay, if we're the minority, where is the majority?  

Are they on the BSN?
Obviously not or you wouldn't be sitting here.

Are they on facebook?  
No.  The Retake Mass Effect page has about 50,000 likes compared to a few hundred on the "Support Bioware" page someone linked the other day.

Are they on twitter?
No.  The equivalent twitter groups have similar numbers to the facebook ones.  And looking at the tweets directed at Mass Effect 3 shows a disparity.  For that matter, Damon Lindelof, one of the producers of Lost got some pretty positive feedback for making a joke at Mass Effect 3's expense: https://twitter.com/...263625082355712 

Do they have a donation drive going to some charity?
Not that I know of.

Are they watching youtube videos?
Not if the like to dislike ratio on these videos are any indication.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ

Are they in the comment section of those gamer magazine articles you keep mentioning?  
You tell me.  You already have links to a bunch of them in your original post.  What does the feedback in the comment section say?

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Nevermind.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 22 mars 2012 - 04:15 .