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[Aedan276]

MintyCool wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

 if they do nothing to address the situation, it will not be good for them in the long run.

Wishful thinking.

1. The rage over the ME3 ending is already dying down.
2. The "enraged" fans will continue stay anticipating the next Bioware game.
3. Bioware will announce a new series.
4. The core will rejoice and be first ones at the store to purchase the game.
5. The Bioware fanbase grows and the dedicated core become a growing assumed asset.

What a cycle...

There are countless reasons why this sequence will persist for a long time but I have work so maybe I'll edit this post later with details if needed.

Harsh truth? Maybe, but in the end you know its how things will be.

Indeed, we will buy Bioware games -- in the Used section, for $20, if only so we can stay current on how steeply they are declining. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 15 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[manjikengo]

I'm not buying a single ****ing bioware game ever again unless they add real closure and say the ending was actually an indoctrination attempt. MY Shepard didn't falter and become indoctrinated.He woke up back in London ready to finish the fight. Pirated Games would like to say hi btw.

[MintyCool]

Pro-Enders claim a major victory today after confirmation by Bioware Co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka, that the Crucible/Cultural Synthesis narrative will forever be ingrained into the Mass Effect lore.

Dr. Ray Muzyka announced that the Crucible/Cultural Synthesis narrative will receive major updates with future DLC in an attempt to clarify the ending.

With this news's, it's a major blow for Retake Mass Effect as it seems the movement has lost all momentum on all issues concerning the ending.

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote...
As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team. The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it. The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.
To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans. I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.
If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

More updates soon.

[Coolfaec]

We're harassing them over the ending? Harassing them over the ending is people picking up pitchforks and slicing the tires of every single car in Bioware's parking lot.

And yeah, the fans are entitled to an ending that forfills the promises Bioware made.

And yeah, the fans had a right to complain to the FTC about what Bioware did. They completely lied about the product they were selling. This isn't Ancient Rome, it isn't a "Free Market" anymore. You can't just lie about the product you are selling and expect people to stand for it.

"Complete Absurdity," that's rich. You have a pretty critical eye, you should use it to look at your own posts before you go ahead and start lynching other people and ideas.

Modifié par Coolfaec, 21 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Spectre Impersonator]

 Check mate when Bioware admitted today that they're going to be addressing the bad ending with content next month? I don't follow that logic but I suppose it's nice to feel like a winner, huh?

[Silasqtx]

MintyCool wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Welcome to the 2%. Good luck with your topic.

A poll created by a vocal angry minority. Do you really feel this random forum poll actually has any real significance what-so-ever?  Or is it simply a prop to make you feel better about your disappointment with the story?

Insignificant poll is insignificant.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Oh God never thought you would be so blind.

Do I really have to link the poll made by your standard-bearing IGN?

[Baronesa]

The whole checkmate thing reminds me so much of a video by Edward Current.

[brian_breed]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Some people are like this, and some people are like that. That created racism, sexism, homophobia, and pretty much hatred of the other.

If only everyone was the same, then there would be no fighting. Hey everyone, lets all be exactly the same, surely this will result in never having wars or hate again.

Great message, bioware.

+over 9000

[Hanabii]

So, let me ask you this?

If 100% of everyone who doesn't like the ending is dubbed an angry minority, but the 'majority' doesn't come to say anything against that 'angry minority' are we still a Minority?

Why is it that EVERY DAY more and more people who beat ME3 are coming here. This hasn't ever happened in a game that I've ever seen.

You should understand that we weren't given sixteen endings and that we were Bespoked into an ending that everyone got. That the press and promises given before the release and what was delivered are two different things.

I love Bioware, if i didn't give a rat's tail end about them I'd not be on the forums pressing the line.

For example I believe they need to deliver what they promised. However I am against those line holders who demand quality DLC made NOW for FREE. Bioware should be given time and should know that we won't go away. And when they have something they are happy to turn out we should buy it.

Your Pro-Keep-The-Ending sentiment is in the Minority as far as anyone participating in the debate goes.

On G4TV Adam Sessler compared ME3's ending to Little Nelle, however Little Nelle's ending actually made sense despite being just as tragic.

[Arokel]

Minty, I am still waiting to continue our discussion about whether or not it is appropriate to comment on a thread directed at mods

Its your move. And your in Check.

[Shadow98]

LOL
-thread to maintain ending 4 or so pages in 8 days.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/new_post/9870213


-thread to talk about changing ending 350+ in 5 days
http://social.biowar...ex/10084349/352

[rocketboy90]

Explain to me why youre against changing the ending? Not like youre losing anything or anything is taken from you. If you love the half baked ending that bioware got you - keep it and stay happy with it. We just want what we want for a ton of reasons which were voiced over and over and over again and we will Hold the Line until we get it.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Hanabii wrote...

So, let me ask you this?

If 100% of everyone who doesn't like the ending is dubbed an angry minority, but the 'majority' doesn't come to say anything against that 'angry minority' are we still a Minority?

Why is it that EVERY DAY more and more people who beat ME3 are coming here. This hasn't ever happened in a game that I've ever seen.

You should understand that we weren't given sixteen endings and that we were Bespoked into an ending that everyone got. That the press and promises given before the release and what was delivered are two different things.

I love Bioware, if i didn't give a rat's tail end about them I'd not be on the forums pressing the line.

For example I believe they need to deliver what they promised. However I am against those line holders who demand quality DLC made NOW for FREE. Bioware should be given time and should know that we won't go away. And when they have something they are happy to turn out we should buy it.

Your Pro-Keep-The-Ending sentiment is in the Minority as far as anyone participating in the debate goes.

On G4TV Adam Sessler compared ME3's ending to Little Nelle, however Little Nelle's ending actually made sense despite being just as tragic.

Well stated. The problems aren't just little details but a complete reversal of what was advertised for the ending.

[Mcfly616]

Haha I get it.....



Oh...you're not joking?

[JohnnyG]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Hanabii wrote...

So, let me ask you this?

If 100% of everyone who doesn't like the ending is dubbed an angry minority, but the 'majority' doesn't come to say anything against that 'angry minority' are we still a Minority?

Why is it that EVERY DAY more and more people who beat ME3 are coming here. This hasn't ever happened in a game that I've ever seen.

You should understand that we weren't given sixteen endings and that we were Bespoked into an ending that everyone got. That the press and promises given before the release and what was delivered are two different things.

I love Bioware, if i didn't give a rat's tail end about them I'd not be on the forums pressing the line.

For example I believe they need to deliver what they promised. However I am against those line holders who demand quality DLC made NOW for FREE. Bioware should be given time and should know that we won't go away. And when they have something they are happy to turn out we should buy it.

Your Pro-Keep-The-Ending sentiment is in the Minority as far as anyone participating in the debate goes.

On G4TV Adam Sessler compared ME3's ending to Little Nelle, however Little Nelle's ending actually made sense despite being just as tragic.

Well stated. The problems aren't just little details but a complete reversal of what was advertised for the ending.

Exactly.  And Minty, since you decided to troll my thread, I shall return the favor...

Modifié par JohnnyG, 21 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[Mcfly616]

@Shadow98

I noticed that too...its like this thread is stuck in a time capsule

[BWGungan]

*snip*

Do you also support fundamentally broken storytelling and screwing over fans with lies?

Modifié par BWGungan, 21 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[Computron2000]

IGN: http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219446p1.html
Is IGN ->Colin Moriarty: http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/03/12/mass-effect-3-opinion-video

Destructoid: http://www.destructoid.com/the-dtoid-show-mass-effect-3-review-223218.phtml
Is destructoid -> Daniel Starky: http://www.destructoid.com/why-mass-effect-3-haters-need-to-calm-down-223966.phtml

Shack News: http://www.shacknews.com/article/72733/mass-effect-3-review
is Shack News ->Garnett Lee: http://www.shacknews.com/article/72903/weekend-confirmed-104-mass-effect-3-diablo-3-gdc-remainders
is Shack News ->Jeff Cannata: http://www.shacknews.com/article/72903/weekend-confirmed-104-mass-effect-3-diablo-3-gdc-remainders

Attempted inflation detected. Try again?

[Ranperre]

Nice try, Colin Moriarty.

[Guanxii]

I would like to throw my hat in the ring for preserving the existing endings.

Many seem to want to make synergy cannon... I appreciate synergy but I'd consider all three endings valid. Control works best for me. Eternal Life, becoming the new catlyst... watching over the galaxy continuing the cycle of life.

Also this way Shep can be there for Liara for her whole life instead of being just a fleeting glimpse as a mere mortal and when you synergize organics and synthetics imo you loose the essense of both and you end the potential for all future life. It's those differences that make life chaotic and exciting. The end result of synergy is one single race neither human or machine - that's not an idealistic future to me. For that reason Control is the only possible cannon "movie" ending for me because in addition to my reservations about synergy destroy will ultimately result in the death of all organic life.

It goes against the grain overcoming incredible odds and personal sacrifice in this case Quarian/Geth mutual co-habilitation out of choice [synergy would force this].

Modifié par Guanxii, 21 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Valk72]

MintyCool wrote...
Wishful thinking.

You sure know something about wishfull thinking don't you?

[longlun]

MintyCool wrote...
Wishful thinking.

1. The rage over the ME3 ending is already dying down.
2. The "enraged" fans will continue stay on the boards anticipating the next Bioware game.
3. Bioware will announce a new series.
4. The core will rejoice and be first ones at the store to purchase the game.
5. The Bioware fanbase grows and the dedicated core become a growing assumed asset.

What a cycle...

There are countless reasons why this sequence will persist for a long time but I have work so maybe I'll edit this post later with details if needed.

Harsh truth? Maybe, but in the end you know its how things will be.

Did it for you.

1. The rage will die, and the fans are offering to pay top dollar for a better ending, they won't get it.
2. Fans will accept the endings.  ME3 will still be remembered as the game with the bad ending, not for the excellent 95% of it.
3. Bioware announced a new series.
4. Fans learned from ME3 what to expect.  Will attempt to pirate, or if game looks fun on YouTube, buy at discount.  Will not expect storyline to end well.
5. Bioware fanbase grows from new series if game is REALLY good.  Then those with a grudge against the ME3 endings will troll/flame the forums by reminding them that ME3's ending was poor.

Even if you Pro -Enders 'win' (I don't know when it became a contest), you can't just change the fact that the ending made 50,000 disappointed.  I'm all for artistic integrity, but it doesn't change the fact that the majority thought the ending was poorly done.  Hell, even if you ARE right and the next series wins back all the fanboys and fangirls, ME3 will never be remembered as the great game that it is. 

And it is a great game.  With or without the ending.

But forgiving doesn't mean forgetting.

Modifié par longlun, 21 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Mandemon]

You are entitled to your opinion, however I must ask you to tone down hostility and unless you can provide proof, leave off lies such as "Retake Mass Effect harasses devs". Show, don't tell.

This will be my only post in this thread, as I do not desire to further bump it. If you shall gain more followers, they will take care of it.

I advise members and supporters of Retake Mass Effect movement to not to answer this thread, no matter what. It is not our cause and unless it gains enough members to keep it on front page, it will eventually sink into depths of forum.

[BWGungan]

MintyCool wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

 if they do nothing to address the situation, it will not be good for them in the long run.

Wishful thinking.

1. The rage over the ME3 ending is already dying down.
2. The "enraged" fans will continue stay on the boards anticipating the next Bioware game.
3. Bioware will announce a new series.
4. The core will rejoice and be first ones at the store to purchase the game.
5. The Bioware fanbase grows and the dedicated core become a growing assumed asset.

What a cycle...

There are countless reasons why this sequence will persist for a long time but I have work so maybe I'll edit this post later with details if needed.

Harsh truth? Maybe, but in the end you know its how things will be.

No.  No I will not be buying any new BioWare games until I know it is good enough, and I will never buy another ME game or merch regardless.

Modifié par BWGungan, 21 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[Drak41n]

The concept that artistic integrity means an inability to change the result is new, wrongheaded and inaccurate. Traditionally, art has been commissioned and if it failed to satisfy the standards of the person who commissioned the art it was changed or the artists didn't get paid.

Mass Effect is closer to a commissioned work than and expression of pure art. You can support Mass Effect's vision of the ending, but to suggest that artistic integrity is predicated on an inability to change is just silly and demonstrates a fundamentally flawed understanding of integrity.

Artistic integrity means the artists refuses the evade the responsibilities imposed on him by the quality and nature of the art he or she produces. If Mass Effect was advancing a novel idea that could only be accomplished by sabotaging the quality of the product by providing a highly flawed ending, then they would have integrity by refusing to change it. However, the ending is actually derivative and largely a homage to a 12 year old game. It is hard to imagine that a derivative product mandates an inability to change.

On the contrary, Mass Effect only has artistic integrity in this situation if they provide an ending that meets the standard of the rest of the product they have delivered. In other words, by refusing to fix the blatant and obvious problems with the ending, they are evading both their responsibility to the fans and to the game itself. That is exactly the opposite of artistic integrity.

I'm not saying the Bioware is obligated to do anything. They're not. However, their decision NOT to change the end is NOT justified by some ill-conceived notion of artistic integrity.

Modifié par Drak41n, 21 mars 2012 - 11:22 .