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[Dr. rotinaj]

No.. just no. There is nothing philosophically significant about the ending. If anything, it was a pseudo-intellectual attempt at depth that fell flat on its face because of its randomness and complete disregard for every single choice in the trilogy. All the choices we've made had their philosophical and thematic importance. We made these choices based on what we, or our Shepards, believed. Things like the genophage, synthetic/organic conflict, racial prejudice, trans-humanism, paragon idealism vs renegade pragmatism, etc. are all just as important, in a narrative and artistic sense, as the ending. By not providing closure to these themes, the ending completely sacrifices everything for the sake of poorly constructed "deep" nihilism. That's not artistic risk, that's destroying everything of worth in 10 minutes.

Modifié par Dr. rotinaj, 21 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[katamuro]

mauro2222 wrote...

And If I recall correctly, the problem are the endings not the game...

And if your opinion is a fact as you put it. Then mine is too, Tali's face was a lazy move, really lazy.

Agree to This and many others. 
there has been no checkmate OP, and if you read article and think about it its a very empty PR piece. No promises no certainty. So please lets stop inventing facts? Its too early for anyone to claim victory. 

[BWGungan]

You should probably omit all those industry support links because quite frankly they don't matter. The industry is not who pays for their product.

[Scoob]

You guys can twist and turn it however you want, but in the end Mass Effect 3 is a product, that is how it is advertised, monetized and priced. Of course Mass Effect 3 is art, but almost anything van be considered art, that does not mean it cannot be of good quality. And also, how are new endings suddenly NOT art?

When 90% of registered game owners state that they dislike the ending and as customers feel that they did not get the game that was marketed to them, they have a perfectly valid reason to ask for new endings.

Modifié par Scoob, 21 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Vasparian]

At no point did they confirm the synth ending would be expanded on more than any other a,b or c ending. OP is a troll and a liar.

[KingKhan03]

heh can someone explain to me in a deep philosophical way why i bothered curing the genophage or uniting the geth and the quarian? or why did i unite the galaxy for one cause?

[wtbusername]

 Best post ever.

Modifié par wtbusername, 21 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[Mandemon]

Mandemon wrote...

You are entitled to your opinion, however I must ask you to tone down hostility and unless you can provide proof, leave off lies such as "Retake Mass Effect harasses devs". Show, don't tell.

This will be my only post in this thread, as I do not desire to further bump it. If you shall gain more followers, they will take care of it.

I advise members and supporters of Retake Mass Effect movement to not to answer this thread, no matter what. It is not our cause and unless it gains enough members to keep it on front page, it will eventually sink into depths of forum.

Furthermore, Retake ME supporters, keep it civil and calm, no bashing. If you absolutely need to answer and pose questions, do it in calm and civil manner, no bashing please. We, the Retake Mass Effect, are not bunch of trolls stirring up trouble, we are concerned fans and we should represent us as such.

[KingKhan03]

lol 77,000 for charity we are such entitled d-bags.

[MintyCool]

wtbusername wrote...

 Best post ever.

Thanks.

[2484Stryker]

So, you basically just proved our point in that there really is only one ending that sort of makes sense (but not really)?

And any English major would tell you that introducing a new theme & changing the overall message of your story at the last ten minutes is a horrible idea.

Thanks for your post though.

[Hearnishere123]

I understand your view point and that you feel that way you do. However going to every thread about retake the ending and posting:

MintyCool wrote...

Retake has failed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1

Now this is just pure Trolling. You had a good movement going here, but when you go out of your way to get people angry, then you have no stool to stand on. At least most all the Retake movement don't go out of their way to Troll and cause anger. Now some do, and when they do, we try our best to calm them down. You however just went and posted this link on all the threads your against. Now answer me this, if you went through all the trouble of typing that all out [which is very good] why would you undo it all by trolling treads?

That is all I would like to know. Hate me for asking that if you want, however I am just stating fact.

To All Retake Member here on the tread. Please don't attack out of anger, use logic and research to win the day.

Hold The Line!

[2484Stryker]

And I love how you attribute every fan reaction, civil and uncivil entirely to the RetakeMe movement. You know yesterday, I had an argument with this guy about the ending at gamestop. He loved the ending, and he said he hoped every last one who didn't "get" the ending would just kill themselves

There, I just proved EVERYONE who supports the ending promotes suicides! *sarcasm intended*

[Alamar2078]

@OP: I believe that you may not understand what many people are asking for. While I didn't like the endings it is Bioware's game so they can do what they want "up to certain limits".

The moment that they are morally or ethically constrained on what they should do is when they themselves make promises / statements about the game. At this point Bioware loses some of the freedom they have to make the game they want and they need to comply with their statements made about the game.

Basically "living up to your word" trumps "artistic vision".

If you don't see a conflict between Bioware's pre-launch statements about the game and the endings that we received then I'm not sure how much common ground we have to discuss the issue. I would be happy to forward you some of the statements made prior to launch should you like to review them. Feel free to message me

[Kersca]

"If changes are made to the fiction; we feel the repercussions will send devastating ripples throughout the entire industry."

Changes to the fiction are made all the time through DLC. My ME 2 experience was fundamentally changed by something as simple as Zaeed and Kasumi.

Are you also opposing all types of DLC?

[Noatz]

The problem with saying "checkmate" after every move you make is that it makes you look like a retard.

[Tony208]

I find some things in your post to be funny OP.

The ending works for a bunch of people because you were satisfied?

Creators vs. created and coexistense of synthetics vs. organics?

Just the last 5 minutes and the Geth/Quarian

So you like a philosophical message and you got that, it doesn't mean the ending works or was good.

And not knowing what happens only dispels the illusion, you start to question everything.

Maybe in a couple of weeks your thread will cross in to double digit pages.

Modifié par Tony208, 21 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[DragonRageGT]

MintyCool wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Welcome to the 2%. Good luck with your topic.

A poll created by a vocal angry minority. Do you really feel this random forum poll actually has any real significance what-so-ever?  Or is it simply a prop to make you feel better about your disappointment with the story?

Insignificant poll is insignificant.

Delusional egomaniac is delusional.

[Hearnishere123]

DragonRageGT wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Welcome to the 2%. Good luck with your topic.

A poll created by a vocal angry minority. Do you really feel this random forum poll actually has any real significance what-so-ever?  Or is it simply a prop to make you feel better about your disappointment with the story?

Insignificant poll is insignificant.

Delusional egomaniac is delusional.

Please no name calling, or stateing people are crazy, it will just cause a fight.

Hold The Line

[garf]

Sigh... 'checkmate' ... right.

Another inflammatory post. Retake... just ignore this or if you must speak remember to just address the points where logical fails and respect that people can have different opinions.

[2Shepards]

KingKhan03 wrote...

heh can someone explain to me in a deep philosophical way why i bothered curing the genophage or uniting the geth and the quarian? or why did i unite the galaxy for one cause?

I'm Commander Shepard and the above statement is my favorite post on the internet! +10 net point for you dear sir!

[The Night Mammoth]

Apparently Retake has a single objective now. News to me.

Apparently that single objective is to erase the ending of the game and demand something entirely different and which will mandatorally apply to everyone regardless of opinion. Now that is news to me, and most other people as well I'd fetch.

Strangely, since the above isn't true, the "Retake has failed" assertion on the grounds that Bioware has announced anything about their plans is kind of fallacious.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

While it's true that the theme of coexistence between organic and synthetic is a major theme in ME3 (and a lesser extent ME2), the message we're supposed to take away from it changed dramatically in the last ten minutes.  Mass Effect 3 was a game about bringing different species & cultures together, whether synthetic or organic, to fight for a common goal.  The ending, particularly synthesis, seems to suggest that difference is actually bad, and that only by homogenizing people can they work together peacefully.

While one could argue that this is some kind of metaphor for the 'melting pot', it doesn't address the fact that Mass Effect is supposed to be about choice, and the ending provides none.  Why can't Shepard argue the logic of synthesis or the other options?  Or the logic of the Reapers' creation for that matter?  It isn't just thematically inconsistent with the rest of the series; it abandons a core gameplay mechanic by turning Shepard into a mute, passive participant. 

This is the core of why people think the ending is bad; they feel they have been railroaded into the same 'bespoken' ending, and forced to choose A, B or C to pick one of three very similar cut scenes.  This is unacceptable in a series which promises choice.

The validity of your interpretation of the ending has and can still be discussed in other threads.  However, you fail to address the issue of promises made by Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Mark Gamble in the months leading up to the release; promises which, according to Final Hours, appear to have been calculated falsehoods.

[Aroused]

I might suggest the OP read what some of the philisophical implications of the ending are here:
forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/1 . 

While they might not wish to agree, if they're 'philisophically honest', it'd be difficult not to admit the reading.

Modifié par Aroused, 22 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[krayt298]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm sorry, but I disagree. Agreeing with the Reapers is not how I want my Shepard's story to end.

Same here.