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[VirtualAlex]

 I have seen literally hundreds of threads with people saying the ending is full of plot holes. But I actually don't know what plot holes they are talking about. Maybe people don't know what plot hole means?

Can you guys please tell me what the plot holes are? I don't want to rage against the ending, I am just curious what these "plot holes" are everyone is talking about but never going into detail about. A list would be wonderful.

Edit: Thank you everyone for posted your complaints regarding the ending. Althuogh it seems there are actually very few legit plot holes I have written a blog post that refutes the vast majority of your complaints. Please check it out, although it is very long:

(http://alexjuice.com...nding-explained )

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 15 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[Lost Cipher]

Deus Ex Machina ending.

Nothing in the entirety of the Mass Effect universe points to a god child... And that's just the beginning. However the theories are wrong, the ending just sucks.

[count_4]

Dude, use the search function. It isn't that hard...

[Vasparian]

There is no point trying to explain it to people such as this. They don't want to see any kind of negative, so they blind themselves to what is in front of them.

[Starspiral]

Please don't feed the troll.

[DemGeth]

It's not a Deus Ex Machina ending.

[clonedoriginzero]

well, with the amount of temper tantrums going on, i can understand people not being accurate with their phrasing.

its more the lack of closure than anything else. i mean theres no real significant plot holes specifically. its just alot fo what happens is stupid and doesn't make sense.

and no, shepard not challenging the catalyst is not a plothole. its just stupid. theres a difference.

[Taleroth]

It's more of a Diabolus Ex Machina.

[HKR148]

1. Normandy problem
2. Reaper origin problem -> circular reasoning, begging the question
3. Synthesis vs. organic problem -> again circular reasoning, begging the question, generalization, false-dichotomy.

[clonedoriginzero]

DemGeth wrote...

It's not a Deus Ex Machina ending.

what? its pretty much the definition of deus ex machina.

that being said. deus ex machina is not a plothole, its just poor story writing.

[HyperionTheGreat]

Well from what I saw they seemed to introduce this whole Deus Ex Machina ending with the god child with the very game. I mean I think there were talks between Shephard and the team members saying that there was something behind the Reapers and that Reaper Destroyer on Rannoch and the dialogue. Something about a pattern repeating itself, idk maybe I wasn't listening all that well.

[Avissel]

DemGeth wrote...

It's not a Deus Ex Machina ending.

It is the exact meaing of Deus Ex Machina. "God from a machine" a term created for Greek plays when a random character or object appears that solves all the problems.

That's what the catalyst space AI thing is.  It's just suddenly there. "I control the Reapers, here are your three options for ending the war."

Modifié par Avissel, 13 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[shepskisaac]

The Normandy part is what people are talking about. You have - squadmates with you in London (2 of them right with you next to the beam) and Normandy floating above Earth. Fast forward 10 minutes, Normandyt is FTLing in space/jumping through relays for some reason with all the squadmates back on board and some even had time to change clothes o.O

[Soilworker77]

Lost Cipher wrote...

Deus Ex Machina ending.

Nothing in the entirety of the Mass Effect universe points to a god child... And that's just the beginning. However the theories are wrong, the ending just sucks.

Theories can never be wrong until proven otherwise...

[grimgim]

Quoting a member from this forum in a previous thread:

Explain why

1. The Protheans could stop the citadel from notifying the Reapers
2. Why Sovereign had to access the Citadel himself.
3. People who died are on the Normandy
4.Why the Normandy, which was just in the middle of a giant fight, has
enough time to make a mass relay jump considering the explosion from the
Crucible happened in a matter of seconds.
5. Star Kid's flawless logic

Modifié par grimgim, 13 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[Tequila Man]

DemGeth wrote...

It's not a Deus Ex Machina ending.

Not sure if serious. 

[Turtlicious]

VirtualAlex wrote...

 I have seen literally hundreds of threads with people saying the ending is full of plot holes. But I actually don't know what plot holes they are talking about. Maybe people don't know what plot hole means?

Can you guys please tell me what the plot holes are? I don't want to rage against the ending, I am just curious what these "plot holes" are everyone is talking about but never going into detail about. A list would be wonderful.

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[MattFini]

ME3 is impressive because it is the actual definition of a Deus Ex Machina ending.

[Tsantilas]

Not exactly plot holes, but many inconsistencies and retconning. Just to list a few: Suddenly there are hundereds of Ardat-yakshi. The reapers finding and cloning a Rachni queen even if you killed the last of it's kind in ME1. Your crew magically being transported to the Normandy during the enemy cinematic. The Catalyst appeared out of thin air in the last 5 minutes of the game whereas there was no mention of it throughout any of the games. The reapers went from being these super evil civilization ending machines, to some kid's pets. Suddenly the game is about synthetics vs organics even though there was a lot of foreshadowing and leaked info pointing towards a plot revolving around dark energy.

[MrPuschel]

A wild Space God appears.

THERE ARE NO PLOT HOLES.

Universe Explodes.

Fin.

[jijeebo]

I can't list them, but the one where the Citadel that you stopped Sovereign using to usher in the reapers in ME1 turns out to be the reapers creator or something, and as such would have simply done the job itself to allow the cycle to continue pissed me off a bit.

[MA5Bergey]

1) Shepard just blindly accepting what the Catalyst says goes against everything established about his character for the past three games.

2) The Normandy was participating in the battle for Earth, and your two squadmates were ON Earth, but as soon as you fire the crucible, they're blasting through a Relay.

3) If the endings were not hallucinations, how does Shepard wake up in the ruins of London? It'd be pretty impossible to fall from orbit and survive.... especially considering it has already killed Shepard once.

4) The Catalyst convinces Shepard that synthetics destroying organics is inevitable. However, Shepard proved him wrong by allying the geth and quarians, which you find out through the course of the game, that the geth actually removed themselves behind the veil specifically to avoid wiping out the Quarians.

5) The catalyst claims the purpose of the reapers is to stop synthetics from wiping out organics.... but the Reapers are just synthetics made for the purpose of wiping out organics.



That's off the top of my head.

[shnellegaming]

Ok, you squadmates die when Harbringer zapps you on Earth but magically appear in the ending clip with the Normandy.

[funfryfrenzy]

oh you mean this plothole

[Flashlegend]

For one, how do the squad mates you take on the final mission and the others on earth with you magically appear on the Normandy moments after you set off the crucible? Teleportation? When did Mass Effect turn into a fantasy.

Another, when we see the beam of energy chasing joker, it looks to me and many others he's jumping through a mass relay. Why? Why is joker jumping through a mass relay in the middle of the battle to save earth. WHY?

Oh and lets talk about the seemingly infallible god-child and shepard's lie down and die attitude. Maybe you don't realize this, but when a character in a story acts COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER, yea buddy, that's called a plot hole. Since when has Shepard, the man or woman who has time and time again fought against the odds and won let anyone tell him/her what can and can't be accomplished. Seriously, not one word of protest against this God child's assertions that synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics. Not one.

Absolutely ludicrous.

edit: grammar

Modifié par Flashlegend, 13 mars 2012 - 04:42 .