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[Lunaluxlepus]

Come on, try 'refuting' this. come on!

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[Fawx9]

How does refuting the plotholes by referencing the fan made Indoctrination ending make any sense?

It was made to specifically counter them. If Bioware sticks by this ending and doesn't update it then the official stance is that its still not a dream and all those plotholes are still present.

[ShepGep]

Fawx9 wrote...

How does refuting the plotholes by referencing the fan made Indoctrination ending make any sense?

It was made to specifically counter them. If Bioware sticks by this ending and doesn't update it then the official stance is that its still not a dream and all those plotholes are still present.

Unless you assume like he did that Shepard taking a breath at the end means he gets up, destroys the reapers, and saves the galaxy? All because a text message told him so after the credits. Who cares about the state of the galaxy you've interacted with and influenced over three games and hundreds of hours or the crewmates you've grown to interact with and love. Let's just assume they're all cool because Shepard is a champion now and, after all, he did destroy the reapers. Because remember, Bioware told us so in a text message that Shepard's a legend now and to buy some of their upcoming DLC...so we'll just assume it's all cool.

Modifié par ShepGep, 15 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[Nuke1967]

ShepGep wrote...
So let me get this straight...the Normandy snuck into London past all of the Reaper defenses/assaults...picked up everybody but Shepard....then snuck back out past the Reaper defenses/assault...then somehow made it through a mass relay AFTER it blew up...and landed on a random planet that looked like something out of Lost? Am...am I missing something here? How is this not a plot hole if this is the real ending and not a hallucination to be expanded upon? LOL


Should I go on?

There was an off game side mission where before leaving for Earth the Normandy discovers a wrecked starship from an alternate timeline and a new alien species of warriors that love to fight like the Krogan. They were able to steal their cloaking , transporter and warp  technology and install it on the ship.

Modifié par Nuke1967, 15 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[ShepGep]

Nuke1967 wrote...

There was an off game side mission where before leaving for Earth the Normandy discovers a wrecked vehicle from the 23rd century and a new alien species of warriors that love to fight like the Krogan. They were able to steal their cloaking , transporter and warp  technology and install it on the ship.

It all makes sense now...I knew there was something I was missing. It was off-game, so was it in the art book or the comic as part of the Collector's Edition? Weren't the new alien speices called the Trollians or something? I think I remember seeing them! Time to go bust those out again for anything else I missed.

Modifié par ShepGep, 15 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[VirtualAlex]

Sorry, you lost me when you said they should have shown Tali's face.

I have not seen that link before: (http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/)

I will investigate it now.

FYI the indoctrination theory is the correct ending.

[ShepGep]

I suppose it is easier to blindly defend Bioware like a good fanboy and their crapout of a non-ending in this game by just calling people expletive idiots and being a general toolbox instead of responding to their counterpoints.

The indoctrination theory is indeed correct, but it is still not an ending. You're merely assuming that Shepard defeats the Reapers due to a text message you receive after the credits all the while caring nothing about what happens to the galaxy or your crew after the final battle. In fact, you're not even concerned with how Shepard defeats the Reapers let alone if he even does simply because Bioware sent you a message telling you that you defeated them and to buy more of their DLC down the road.

If that's the case, they could have just sent me that message the the end of ME2 and saved me 80$. A lot of us were joking that we'd get the ending of ME3 via a message at our terminal instead of actually playing/witnessing it and the sad thing is that is exactly what happened. If you're okay with that then I don't even know what to say.

Modifié par ShepGep, 15 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[JeanLuc Awesome]

DemGeth wrote...

It's not a Deus Ex Machina ending.

um.....yes...it is. 

[Darrellmeaney]

count_4 wrote...

Dude, use the search function. It isn't that hard...

^ This, people have talked about it enough times.... it's not hard to find details....

[MisterNugNug]

VirtualAlex wrote...

FYI the indoctrination theory is the correct ending.

You fully understand what that implies correct?

[RedundantAccount]

Caz Neerg wrote...

In regard to the Normandy, it's like the ripped a minute out of the middle of a ten minute sequence and just tossed it into the game without any context.  We are given no reason why the Normandy is in space at all, rather than on Earth waiting for Shepard.  We are given no reason why people who were standing right next to Shep less than ten minutes ago are now on board the Normandy.  We are given no reason why the Normandy is fleeing the shockwave, or why any color of the shockwave would be a danger to the Normandy.  Absolutely nothing about the sequence makes any sense, or takes place within any context.  The whole thing is a massive string of plot holes.

I thought Joker's last words to Shepard were that he was going to rejoin Sword. That would indeed put him in space. My problem is the teleported teammates at the end. Why woud Garrus teleport to the Normandy and leave my Shepard to go into the beam alone? OOC and doesn't make sense unless he was unconscious... which leads me to

Wild Mass Guessing: Hackett said for all available units to to stall Harbinger's descent to earth to give Hammer more time. Joker followed them to protect Shepard. Perhaps he drew Harbinger's fire away from Shepard so that she didn't get the full brunt of the laser...and then somehow managed to get your unconscious teammates on board the Normandy (teleportation? space magic?)...and then he heard some really ominous music and had to fly really fast through a mass relay to get away from incredibly pissed off Harbinger...and the colorful omgasplosions...while looking behind him...for some reason...

Sounds good as anything else, I guess LOL. 

[VirtualAlex]

ShepGep wrote...

I suppose it is easier to blindly defend Bioware like a good fanboy and their crapout of a non-ending in this game by just calling people expletive idiots and being a general toolbox instead of responding to their counterpoints.

The indoctrination theory is indeed correct, but it is still not an ending. You're merely assuming that Shepard defeats the Reapers due to a text message you receive after the credits all the while caring nothing about what happens to the galaxy or your crew after the final battle. In fact, you're not even concerned with how Shepard defeats the Reapers let alone if he even does simply because Bioware sent you a message telling you that you defeated them and to buy more of their DLC down the road.

If that's the case, they could have just sent me that message the the end of ME2 and saved me 80$. A lot of us were joking that we'd get the ending of ME3 via a message at our terminal instead of actually playing/witnessing it and the sad thing is that is exactly what happened. If you're okay with that then I don't even know what to say.

Not the text message, The grandson and the child. I am not blindly defending anything. I spent just as much time investing in the ME series as you. I was 100% satisfied with the ending.

I also read that top 5 reasons list. I will be refuting each one as nothing new or interesting is presented there.

[elm]

Its funny how you call us trolls on your blog, well done sir

[VirtualAlex]

elm wrote...

Its funny how you call us trolls on your blog, well done sir

Only trolls are trolls. If you are not a troll than you need not take offense.

[Nuke1967]

ShepGep wrote...

Nuke1967 wrote...

There was an off game side mission where before leaving for Earth the Normandy discovers a wrecked vehicle from the 23rd century and a new alien species of warriors that love to fight like the Krogan. They were able to steal their cloaking , transporter and warp  technology and install it on the ship.

It all makes sense now...I knew there was something I was missing. It was off-game, so was it in the art book or the comic as part of the Collector's Edition? Weren't the new alien speices called the Trollians or something? I think I remember seeing them! Time to go bust those out again for anything else I missed.

Kinda like an off camera scene you never see..It was in the super secret only 1 collectors gold premium max edition. for $250. And the robot dog in that edition humps everyones leg in the cargo bay. And gave you wearable N7 bling that comes with the hoodie.

[Gibb_Shepard]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Sorry, you lost me when you said they should have shown Tali's face.

I have not seen that link before: (http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/)

I will investigate it now.

FYI the indoctrination theory is the correct ending.

Ahh, so you made a video on youtube calling everyone who doesn't like the ending morons. But the reason you like it is because you believe in a desperate and false theory that was crafted by fans out of sheer disappointment.

Nice.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 15 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[VirtualAlex]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Ahh, so you made a video on youtube calling everyone who doesn't like the ending morons. But the reason you like it is because you believe in a desperate and false theory that was crafted by fans out of sheer disappointment.

Nice.

You mean the theory that explained the ending perfectly?

[TcomJ]

Soilworker77 wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

Deus Ex Machina ending.

Nothing in the entirety of the Mass Effect universe points to a god child... And that's just the beginning. However the theories are wrong, the ending just sucks.

Theories can never be wrong until proven otherwise...

Theories can never be wrong....--> or right <-- until proven otherwise.

[Laurcus]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Ahh, so you made a video on youtube calling everyone who doesn't like the ending morons. But the reason you like it is because you believe in a desperate and false theory that was crafted by fans out of sheer disappointment.

Nice.

You mean the theory that explained the ending perfectly?

I agree with the theory, have since day 1. There is still one more plot hole though. The ending isn't finished. The battle is still ongoing, until we get DLC for it.

I see it as an either/or situation. If the theory is wrong, then xyz are plot holes. If the theory is correct, then the only hole is that it's not finished.

[Gibb_Shepard]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Ahh, so you made a video on youtube calling everyone who doesn't like the ending morons. But the reason you like it is because you believe in a desperate and false theory that was crafted by fans out of sheer disappointment.

Nice.

You mean the theory that explained the ending perfectly?

Do you realizes that if this was true, even though it's not, we don't actually GET an ending?

It'd b akin to cutting Mass Effect 2 as soon as the Normandy lands on the Collector Base.
BW will get EVEN MORE **** for not actually finishing their game.

[GuardianAngel470]

One plot hole that bothers me. It's established on Thessia that someone or something is directing organic evolution to an astonishing degree. Patterns repeat millennia after millennia, cycle after cycle. A splinter group subverts the cause of the greater whole, leading to the fall of the species.

So, this being the case we have a couple of problems. First, in regards to the scrapped Dark Energy ending, this means that someone or something directs organics, through the relays, to develop mass effect based technology then supposedly harvests them to protect them from the consequences of using mass effect based technology. Like Legion says, technological development is not a straight line.

Second, with the ending we are presented in game, with that astonishing level of control over organic development, we ultimately have a similar problem. If they truly did have that much control, they could simply ensure synthetic life forms never exist in the first place, thereby ensuring a stop to the supposedly inevitable destruction of organic life.

As a result the whole Reaper cycle system would be completely unnecessary and organics could go on their way with no one the wiser.

[Elite Midget]

If you must ask than you clearly don't know what you're looking at.

I have found that some people are simply too ignorant to explain things to. I could spend my time writing up an essay about just the plot holes but I bet all I would I get from you is "LoL" than you disregarding anything I said.

So I wont.

[VirtualAlex]

Elite Midget wrote...

If you must ask than you clearly don't know what you're looking at.

I have found that some people are simply too ignorant to explain things to. I could spend my time writing up an essay about just the plot holes but I bet all I would I get from you is "LoL" than you disregarding anything I said.

So I wont.

classic.

[VirtualAlex]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Do you realizes that if this was true, even though it's not, we don't actually GET an ending?

It'd b akin to cutting Mass Effect 2 as soon as the Normandy lands on the Collector Base.
BW will get EVEN MORE **** for not actually finishing their game.

It isn't like that at all. Getting from ground zero to the citadel is easy. There weren't even any enemies in the citadel at all. The REAL battle is inside shepards mind. Hitting the on switch on the Crucible is the easy part. It is very easy for me to just accept that Shepard went and did it. I can easily fill in the blanks with my imagination.

[joshmyersbv]

So Alex are you saying shepard is indoctrinated after the blast? I starting to get it now but it seems I'll need to play it again to see signs of indoctrination before the blast. Should be fun!