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[Dark_Caduceus]

ohupthis wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Vertrucio wrote...

Just Vega. People are making it out to be more than it is.

The entire indoctrination theory.

The entire 3 games have had indoc'd PAWNS running amok.

Reapers do in fact indoctrinate those unlucky enough to be subjected to it.

The CODEX DEFINES this insidious process quite well, and should be kept in mind, when dealing with anyone we encounter!

As for the IT, this is for the people who can actually grasp the concept, and make something out of it, as opposed to the few who are too inept, to see this for the true potential it offers.

Oh c'mon, aren't you being rather arrogant with an insinuation that those who disagree with you are jsut too "inept"?

Provide your evidence, if it's compelling then I'll buy it. Thus far the evidence advanced for this "theory" has been pretty abysmal.

I've seen "Two characters (in a 75+ hour story) have mentioned in passing that Mass Effect technology makes humming noises", and, "The Crucible sort of resembles/symbolizes a big dialogue wheel", for which no supporting evidence is provided.

I've seen alien abduction cases which are more grounded in evidence than this gibberish.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 03 juin 2012 - 02:52 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Then you refuse to accept this as nothing more than a waste of ones' time, which I'll grant , is more than I'll waste on you, good day sir!!

[Walla Walla 06]

I really can't believe there's 11 pages on this......people really like grasping at whatever's out there.

[Dark_Caduceus]

ohupthis wrote...

Then you refuse to accept this as nothing more than a waste of ones' time, which I'll grant , is more than I'll waste on you, good day sir!!

I made a polite response asking you to provide some evidence for you claims, you called me a waste of time. Are you incapable of formulating an opinion and articulating it or just really sensitive and insecure?

[Deltakarma]

This is a debate no one can win.

We have speculation here,
Speculation there,
And speculation over here

Tell me,which explanation you prefer? And give sufficient details on why you are right. No one can win here, this game is all about speculation. So saying your right and dismissing others findings/what they care to believe doesnt make you right.

WE ARE ALL EQUALLY WRONG!

God damn, cant go one normal campaign topic without some kind of people just blatantly pushing what they believe as facts onto others.

I question this communities intelligence.

Just be fair and lets all care. Not like anyone is right anyways, you have to be a Dev to understand what the heck is going on.

[Bootsykk]

 I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be a joke; part of Vega is supposed to represent a player that is new to the series of Mass Effect. A new player would probably be wondering what the constant hum aboard the normandy is as well, since they never have a true connection between the sound and the drive core that's making it. I think it's also to poke some fun at the returning players... in all honesty, did you notice the hum before Vega pointed it out? It just seems natural to hear it on the normandy after the previous games and I, personally, didn't notice it after hearing it so often.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Deltakarma wrote...

This is a debate no one can win.

We have speculation here,
Speculation there,
And speculation over here

Tell me,which explanation you prefer? And give sufficient details on why you are right. No one can win here, this game is all about speculation. So saying your right and dismissing others findings/what they care to believe doesnt make you right.

WE ARE ALL EQUALLY WRONG!

God damn, cant go one normal campaign topic without some kind of people just blatantly pushing what they believe as facts onto others.

I question this communities intelligence.

Just be fair and lets all care. Not like anyone is right anyways, you have to be a Dev to understand what the heck is going on.

When you make a claim the burden of proof falls on you to prove said claim. If no evidence is produced in support of the claim then the default position is disbelief. I've yet to see decent evidence.

[SackofCat]

Was the OP implying that Vega is indoctrinated? He could hear the humming in the shuttle bay. I think the post about how Vega represents new players who would be unfamiliar with the sounds of the engine room/shuttle bay is logical.

This being an indication of Shepard being indoctrinated would not make sense. Neither the codex nor anyone else said that people near the person being indoctrinated hear humming.

I could be mistaken but some people seem to be implying that Edi and the Normandy SR-2 are indoctrinating Shepard or the crew which is absurd. It would be important for the writers to explicitly convey or at least heavily imply this if it were true. The character of the story would be drastically changed if everybody on the ship was indoctrinated.

[Slayer299]

So, let me get this straight - people here are claiming that because Vega hears a humming noise on the SR2 and Kaiden heard a humming sound that made his teeth ache while on the SR1 that that was the beginning of being indoctrinated? Because it was the ME technology that was doing this and thusly, it perfectly explains why Shepard (and by extension *everyone* else on the SR2 or anyone who's around ME technology) should be indoctrinated as well??

LOL! That's bloody hysterical!

[Dark_Caduceus]

Slayer299 wrote...

So, let me get this straight - people here are claiming that because Vega hears a humming noise on the SR2 and Kaiden heard a humming sound that made his teeth ache while on the SR1 that that was the beginning of being indoctrinated? Because it was the ME technology that was doing this and thusly, it perfectly explains why Shepard (and by extension *everyone* else on the SR2 or anyone who's around ME technology) should be indoctrinated as well??

LOL! That's bloody hysterical!

Not the best reasoned idea, that's for sure.

Something no one has mentioned yet. If the Reaper's possessed the capability of hiding indoctrination devices in things like the min-relay aboard the Citadel then the Citadel is likely wired through and through with indoctrination devices... So why didn't the Reapers just activate them at the war's onset and indoctrinate the entire Citadel in one fell swoop?

[SackofCat]

Dark Cad,
Correct me if i am wrong, your question implies that the reapers implanted indoctrination tech into the Prothean mini-relay/OG catalyst.

This means either that: during the Prothean extinction the reapers didn't bother to turn it off or that some time since the Prothean extinction, a reaper implanted an indoctrinator or it means both. This would require that the reapers that did the implanting didn't, at any time, consider a non-reaper made relay linked to the presidium was worth mentioning to Sovereign.

Unless it was Sovereign that did the implanting...

I'd like to think that is as implausible to you as it is to me.

[Erield]

SackofCat wrote...

Dark Cad,
Correct me if i am wrong, your question implies that the reapers implanted indoctrination tech into the Prothean mini-relay/OG catalyst.

This means either that: during the Prothean extinction the reapers didn't bother to turn it off or that some time since the Prothean extinction, a reaper implanted an indoctrinator or it means both. This would require that the reapers that did the implanting didn't, at any time, consider a non-reaper made relay linked to the presidium was worth mentioning to Sovereign.

Unless it was Sovereign that did the implanting...

I'd like to think that is as implausible to you as it is to me.

The Relay Monument is actually the Conduit's end-point.  Kaiden hears a faint hum that gives him a tooth-ache when he's near it.  Garrus says that the Keepers never go near it, and he always found that suspicious.  Ashley says nothing of interest.  Unsure of Tali or Liara.  Remember, though, that the Conduit was created after the Reapers left the galaxy again. 

People are trying to use the Relay hum and Vega's statement of hearing a hum to equal Indoctrination.  This is absurd.  The Relay statue has nothing to do with Indoctrination, Reapers, or Reaper tech.  It is purely Prothean tech, and the agents of the Reapers on the Citadel (the Keepers) steer clear of it. 

If Vega hears a hum and you want to think that's indicative of Shepard being Indoctrinated, sure, fine, whatever.  But don't bring Kaiden's tooth-ache and the Protheans into this.

[Joccaren]

Oh FFS, give it a break already.

Vega is under the freaking engines, of course there's going to be humming.
Why does he only notice it now? Normally he's too busy talking to Cortez, or doing weights, or sleeping. Now, he's nervous, and noticing small details isn't that uncommon when you're nervous.

[ssltrain]

He's not under the engines. He's not anywhere near them. He's actually toward the front bottom of the Normandy, near the hangar bay door. The drive core is one level up in the opposite direction. Steve is closer to the engine core than Vega.

[gert56nom]

It is a stated fact that EDI & the Normady are built from parts of Soverign


& even in London missions at the end you can pick up & read pads which go on about hearing noises , voices & dreams

[Necrotron]

Korhiann wrote...

Capeo wrote...

When does he that? I don't recall.

I don't recall hearing those lines either, might just be because I didn't notice.

I remember hearing him say that, and I distinctly remember taking note of it and expecting it to pay off later in the game with an explanation.  It did not.

[Slayer299]

So, if that is indeed the case then why isn't London entirely indoctrinated since they've got multiple Reapers all over it? And why didn't the Reapers, As DarkCad said earlier, activate any of the other indoctr. people (like Adams and the enitre engineering team & Tali)?

You do mention the girl who is haunted by the dreams and decides to kill herself rather than goto the place she is fighting to stay away from, but hearing humming sounds isn't exactly an iron clad sign of indoctrination.

[CerealWar]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Wait... how the hell is the Crucible for a dialogue wheel? What does synthesis represent? There's no green option on a dialogue wheel, where is the "investigate" option, why can;t you leave the "conversation". This is some of the blatant, desperate cherry picking of symbolism I've ever seen.

In almost every crucial dialogue, Shepard is presented with a ludicrous third option (depending on his total morality score/ diplomacy skill) that gives him the best outcome. This is the Synthesis ending.

[Slayer299]

LOL

The third option is hardly the *best* one....

[scott1118]

Tbh there is so much evidence of an IT that it is almost fool proof. Except the designers or one guy at the top didn't see this and passed it off as nothing and thoguth red/blue/green would be good

[Aiyie]

speculation for all.  its could be indoctrination...

but simplest explanation though...

Vega is unfamiliar with the Normandy.  he's unfamiliar with the sound and feel of the ship.

anyone who's ever actually been on a naval ship for an extended length of time knows that eventually you grow used to the quirks of your particular boat.  people who are new to the crew notice things that long time crewmembers don't notice anymore.

real life example: on American submarines the chemical used to purify the air when you're underway has a VERY strong (and bad) scent.  the crew never notices it because we live in it 24/7 for weeks and months on end, but when you come back from an underway and go to hug your wife on the pier, you can be dam sure that she's wrinkling her nose at how much your uniform smells like amine (the crap that cleans the air).

[EricHVela]

It's silly. The player can hear the humming only in the lower two floors of the SR-2. It's loudest in the lowest floor.

It also really sounds a lot like a prop-plane. I had guessed it was a joke or homage to the movie Airplane! where the jet is making a prop-plane sound. (It's a stupid movie and one of my favorites, right along with the first Alien [theatrical release - not director's cut] which was the first horror movie I'd seen.)

Since it's only on the lowest levels of the SR-2, I don't think anyone's suggesting that Cortez is an indoctrination device. Are they?

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 03 juin 2012 - 01:20 .

[Angelo2027]

I think the humming that vega hears is really strange and it must means something. Remember kaidan he said something about a humming and it was a relay on the citadel so i think it must mean something?

[Deltakarma]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Deltakarma wrote...

This is a debate no one can win.

We have speculation here,
Speculation there,
And speculation over here

Tell me,which explanation you prefer? And give sufficient details on why you are right. No one can win here, this game is all about speculation. So saying your right and dismissing others findings/what they care to believe doesnt make you right.

WE ARE ALL EQUALLY WRONG!

God damn, cant go one normal campaign topic without some kind of people just blatantly pushing what they believe as facts onto others.

I question this communities intelligence.

Just be fair and lets all care. Not like anyone is right anyways, you have to be a Dev to understand what the heck is going on.

When you make a claim the burden of proof falls on you to prove said claim. If no evidence is produced in support of the claim then the default position is disbelief. I've yet to see decent evidence.

That wasnt trying to make a claim if you were right or not. It was about the people that just brush off what other people find and call it nothing and just for get it.

Its annoying.

I wholeheartdly dont know what to think, so I just keep to myself and give myself the benefit of the doubt and say that it was a tiny form of indoc. Thats all.

Edit:

For the Kaiden situation that people are bringing up, you have to remember that he has L2s in ME1. So you have to remember they bring on some form of tiny migraine. That has to be taken into account as well.

Modifié par Deltakarma, 03 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[ELITE_CMDR_666]

ok this is about the dam hum or reaper sound like in the armor area where vega is at NOTHING MORE...love how people deviate from it and start there bible like comments...here are some facts, vega was in some world when they got attacked by the reapers right, out of all of the people it seems so convenient that he was the only survivor in the attack, this makes me believe that vega is being indoctrinated and shepard can hear it of course cause he has been in close contact with the reapers. i found all this after i spoke to vega in my quarters and he told me about the attack and how he was the only survivor. there thats what i think...