Erield wrote...
SackofCat wrote...
Dark Cad,
Correct me if i am wrong, your question implies that the reapers implanted indoctrination tech into the Prothean mini-relay/OG catalyst.
This means either that: during the Prothean extinction the reapers didn't bother to turn it off or that some time since the Prothean extinction, a reaper implanted an indoctrinator or it means both. This would require that the reapers that did the implanting didn't, at any time, consider a non-reaper made relay linked to the presidium was worth mentioning to Sovereign.
Unless it was Sovereign that did the implanting...
I'd like to think that is as implausible to you as it is to me.
The Relay Monument is actually the Conduit's end-point. Kaiden hears a faint hum that gives him a tooth-ache when he's near it. Garrus says that the Keepers never go near it, and he always found that suspicious. Ashley says nothing of interest. Unsure of Tali or Liara. Remember, though, that the Conduit was created after the Reapers left the galaxy again.
People are trying to use the Relay hum and Vega's statement of hearing a hum to equal Indoctrination. This is absurd. The Relay statue has nothing to do with Indoctrination, Reapers, or Reaper tech. It is purely Prothean tech, and the agents of the Reapers on the Citadel (the Keepers) steer clear of it.
If Vega hears a hum and you want to think that's indicative of Shepard being Indoctrinated, sure, fine, whatever. But don't bring Kaiden's tooth-ache and the Protheans into this.
Exactly. The hum that effects Kaiden is because the Conduit is a minature mass relay giving off energy that probably impact his biotic implant, although no know knew that at the time. It has nothing to do with indocrination.
I found Vega's line weird not because he mentioned a hum (there is a CONSTANT hum in the shuttle bay) it's when he says "is that just me?" as though he has asked about it before and no one knows what he is talking about. In other words, Vega is around space ships all the time, he knows what they sound like. This hum is different enough that is goes out of his way to mention it...which is odd, right?
I could just be a throw away line, I guess, but that would be poor writing I think becaues it's so so so odd. However, if it was connected to indoctrination, the hum Vega hears would have to be coming from Shepard himself. Remember, the Reapers use the indoctrinated to boost their signal. Since there is nothing on the ship itself that would be broadcasting a Reaper signal (That I am aware of after two play throughs) the only thing that could be broadcasting even a weak Reaper signal would be Shepard himself.
So, this means we'd have to accept that his exposure to the Repear device in the Arival DLC had some degree of impact on Shepard. Now, the series makes a big deal about how strong willed Shepard is (usually Liara going on about how a lesser mind couldn't handle the Cipher and so on) so one could make the case that Shepard is, in fact, feeling the impact of indoctrination all through ME3, although it doesn't really have a serious impact until the final (admitedly weird) ten minutes of the game.
Not saying this is the case. Lots of "ifs" at work here - the biggest problem being that you can play ME3 without any reference to the Arrival, meaning not every verision of Shep got blasted by the device - but it does make some sense. The game suggests strongly that Shep was changed by his exposure to the Cipher - so much so that Prothean devices on Thesia think Shep is a Prothean - and it is not hard to imagine that those changes give Shep an ability to resist indoctrination in a way that, say, Saren could not.
That said, Vega's line is not definitive evidence of anything. It's just odd. Out of place. Maybe it means something. Maybe it doesn't. Could be the EC will shed some light on that.
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