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[Iztiak]

There is nearly no Engine noise? Not enough to be mistaken for anything else. Or did none of you play Mass Effect1?

Tali cannot sleep because it's so damn quiet in ME1, and she's used to the sound of ****ty ships. It ain't engine noise, folks. Plus, people on a ship would recognize engine noise, and wouldn't comment on it.

Modifié par Iztiak, 13 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

count_4 wrote...

Sons Of Liberty wrote...
You hear the hum everywhere (on the ship) according to many many post if you listen close enough.

Well, it's a ship after all, of course there are constant noises (which are referenced by Tali and Chakwas in the previous games).
So it doesn't have to mean anything. But it very well could and I certainly hope it does (there's that EIP again...).

Vega is no stranger to life aboard military ships, i think he'd recognize normal engine noises

[GeneraI Ripper]

Valentia X wrote...


And if that's the case, it's crap writing, because if you're going to set something up as 'proof', you have to set it up where people can find it later.

It would have made more sense in a cut scene where Random Companion A mentions something about humming as, say, idle chatter or as an aside before Random S--T Happens and we forget about it until the end. Putting it where it's very easy to overlook doesn't make it a clue or hint for later.

Put it like this: It's like having Thane die without him ever mentioning Kepral's in MEffect2. Not everyone is going to talk to him and then suddenly he has some terminal disease. Instead, it's mentioned when you meet him so you know. You might forget later on, but the information is there for everyone.

I'd agree with you if that were the ONLY suspicious thing pointing to indoctrination, but it isn't.  The other big one for me is the cutscene where you leave earth and nobody helps that little kid into the shuttle.  (he didn't exist) That is weird, the soldiers are helping themselves but didn't notice the little boy?  That hint was in a major cutscene and there are plenty of others.

I agree with Meltemph its just one more small hint for those that noticed. 

Could be nothing though.  Part of me thinks this whole indoctrination theory is just wishful thinking.

Modifié par GeneraI Ripper, 13 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[GHernandez18]

I think I remember hearing that humming line... Not sure after what mission though

[Aimi]

GHernandez18 wrote...

I think I remember hearing that humming line... Not sure after what mission though

You can hear it after multiple missions. It's one of Vega's "I've got nothing more to say" comments, like Garrus' "Maybe later." and Liara's "Ready for the next mission?"

[Falkenlore]

I'm pretty sure that Vega, a career military, would recognize the difference between the sound of a ships engines and the strange humming he tells Shepard about.

Though I doubt Vega has spent much time on a ship with a Tantalus core.. So maybe not.

Modifié par Falkenlore, 13 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Merengues 1945]

ChaosMarky wrote...

There's a lot of humming inside the normandy, so most of the crew should have gotten used to it by now...

but for james to point it out? definitely suspicious.. :0

Edit: Yes, james pointed the "humming" thing in my game

I also got the line, but maybe I'm very used to the normandy's noises.... Where I founded more noises was on the life suppport and in cargo bay.

maybe it's just noises, I tried to search that humming with no success... But if the humming theory was right, also Tali should have noticed this (Main Tech expert).. also the new guys as Cortez, Traynor and the two chics speaking on the entrance of the War Room.... maybe it's just Vega, but again, maybe it's just a rat or something... maybe too much skillian five on the citadel.

[bigbade]

I remember that line and found it really weird that he said that...then again there's constant humming on the Normandy and he can be found at Purgatory or the refugee camp all the time, maybe he's going deaf

Could consider bringing James along for every mission next time and see what he has to say about certain things, might clear it up.

[freefaller21x]

The line could be taken at face value... or it could be taken for something more, IMO.

In the original Mass Effect, Kaidan has a line of side dialogue while roaming the citadel, specifically as you pass the mass relay monument. He makes reference to hearing a subtle humming sound only when around the relay monument.

Now, that single line of dialogue not heard unless triggered hinted at what ended up being a significant part of the ending plot. It ended up being part of the conduit. The same could apply here.

In the end, I think it's all in how much you think the extra dialogue matters. I think it matters though. Will just have to wait and see I guess.

Note: I also heard Vega say this several times... can't remember when. It came up as frequently as him saying hey when he had nothing else unique to say.

Modifié par freefaller21x, 13 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[Raiil]

Iztiak wrote...

There is nearly no Engine noise? Not enough to be mistaken for anything else. Or did none of you play Mass Effect1?

Tali cannot sleep because it's so damn quiet in ME1, and she's used to the sound of ****ty ships. It ain't engine noise, folks. Plus, people on a ship would recognize engine noise, and wouldn't comment on it.

Tali is used to sleeping on refurbished, not top of the line ships. There would be a sound difference.


It is definitely a point in favour of the indoctrination theory, but I wouldn't consider it damning evidence.

[Dusky Syren]

In Mass Effect 1 Kaiden made a similar comment on the Presidium in front of the "statue" and it turned out to be from the Mass Effect Functions of the Citadel as a gateway. So I lean towards Vega's mention of the noise having some credence since they used the EXACT same phraseology to draw your attention to a plot hint in the first game.

[Sons Of Liberty]

Yeah I decided to try ME1 again, very slowly while waiting on info, but the Kaiden at the tower, anyone else hear that "hummmm, it makes my teeth chatter" freaked me out a bit, so deffintely adds credence to the "Vega" theory for sure...

[Mixxer5]

I didn't noticed before... Didn't Benesia asked Saren about humming during one of cutscenes in ME1? On the other hand- it's not like Bioware to not let us know about something like indoctrination of main character and not lettimg us fight with it.

[VegaMendoza]

I don't hear any humming.

[GeneraI Ripper]

VegaMendoza wrote...

I don't hear any humming.

Are you a video game character on the ficticious Normandy?

[Sharkey1337]

Yeah, and there's that mention of adrenaline proving to be the best catalyst in inducing indoctrination. Scene where Shepard is rushing to the beam and gets shot by Harbinger? Adrenaline pumping through the roof, thus making Shepard very susceptible.

[Relwyn]

This is the hum-scene with James that some people have asked about:

Modifié par Relwyn, 14 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[P47 ace]

If it is true which I am hoping it is because the ending was crap and we have been to a lot of reaper places, and we saw with Rana that it can linger for all this time without being detected.

Modifié par P47 ace, 14 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Pani Mauser]

Vega says it pretty often, it's one of the stock lines he says when he runs out of dialogs (I like him, so I visited him after each mission to hear if he has something new to say).

And there's really a humming in the shuttle bay. And I had an impression that James does not fly on the spaceships often, so this humming is not natural for him, like it would be for Chakwas or Tali, or spacer Shepard.

Though, if it was really indoctrination and not just engine humming, it means Shep was indeed indoctrinated too:) Nice addition to the hallucination ending theory.

[pencilboom]

yup. vega said the same thing. didn't actually know what was happening though. until I read some of the indoctrination thing. hmm..

[Spectre_Shepard]

It is.

This has been pointed out.

Interesting. Stay tuned.

[jameshawking]

1) The actual plot of Mass Effect 3 supposedly takes place over several months, people.  If the crew was being indoctrinated, even if it was slow and gradual, it would have completed itself well in time before Shepard's charge.

2) Someone being "fully indoctrinated" would be the equivalent of a Collector.  TIM and kai Leng were hardly any such thing but they were still firmly in the grip of indoctrination, akin to Saren.  As the Prothean VI ran away in the presence of Kai Leng, it's safe to assume it can detect the gray area in between "full" and "not".

3) Javik, you know, being special, should've likely been able to both recognize and tell whether or not people were being indoctrinated, even if it was gradual.  He could pick up on Miranda, from 6 months ago, and her genetic code to the degree that he could even tell she was artifical.  He could tell the exact thoughts of Grunt.  It's entirely reasonable he could've detected indoctrination; especially since he was on edge and looking to fight the reapers entirely and didn't trust the crew at all.

4) Joker was on the Normandy SR-2 the entire time of Mass Effect 2 (and likely before as well), during the 6-month gap between games, and the entirety of Mass Effect 3 as well, which should add up to at least a year, if not closer to two, and he showed not one sign of it at all.  He even personally bombed the reaper (unkowingly admittedly) on Rannoch and (according to deleted audio) was supposed to lead a strike force to kill Harbinger itself.

5) Asari, explicitly, have been able to tell whether or not they are indoctrinated through the example of...Rila (I think).  She said it was already too late for her and she wasn't physically harmed at all.  The Shadow Broker, also being an asari, should've also had that same self-awareness.  Especially since I'd bet a Black Widow on the fact that Liara is a sight more experienced with indoctrination and the Reapers than an Ardat-Yakshi who's lived in seclusion for centuries.

6) If the Prothean-made, entirely secret Mass relay on the Citadel makes you hear humming as if you're being indoctrinated, then something is really really off.

6a) If the statue in the Citadel could indoctrinate you then, frankly, the entirety of the Council should've been indoctrinated, as well as most embassy staff, and everyne who worked on the upper Presidium, including that Asari hooker.  That's just being conservative.

So we have the least interesting character of the entire game, thrown in there to be the vessel of the "common man" saying one thing sounds weird in the shuttle bay (note: not engineering) and some throw-away line from kaiden, who admitted his implants gave him things like headaches, ringing in the ears, bouts of nausea, and just overall crappiness, and "humming" being a common noise in indoctrination.


....You're grasping at straws, people.  At least Tali had the excuse of being entirely drunk (for likely the first time) before she started trying to make it sound cool.

[Clayless]

This is really creepy. Why on earth does he say this? And in such a creepy way too.

[FellishBeast]

RESURRECTION!

[Swisspease]

It was Mordin's ghost singing