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[rainasa]

x Riddler x wrote...

WOW if you think that "power evolve" is worth getting over the tier 6 siper rifle damage then you don't deserve to play the class!

eh, i used a geth plasma shotgun during most of my gold runs on my QI, it was a much higher level then my widow, and my mods where better upgraded as well, and from the situations you proposed to Cyonan, I also did much better then you did.

[LemurFromTheId]

x Riddler x wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

So, let me get this straight...

Several Primes and Rocket
Troopers are shooting at you and four Hunters are closing in... and you
expect a single button press to get you out of the hole you've buried
yourself in? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Try this: cloak, roll aside, sabotage, roll again and run away. It's not perfect, but it just might save your life... for a few seconds, considering the way you seem to like to play.

The wave I just described is wave 5! And if you think that will work every time then you are in for one hell of a surprise. *smilie*

No, I don't think it will work every time. That's why I said "it's not perfect" and "might". Sorry, no surprises for me.

[x Riddler x]

Cyonan wrote...

It's a choice. The 40% is only used against the heavy units. Doing an additional 40% damage to that Rocket Trooper doesn't mean much when 50% of my shot already was negated because you can't damage shields and health at the same time.

There is value in being able to use your other ability twice while remaining invisible. Less so now that Sabotage got nerfed. I would switch it if I could respec.

If you think that the infiltrator class is not made to take down heavy units fast then you are mistaken. That is what the infiltrator is for! that is why they do so much Damage, take down the shield in 1 or 2 shots, then 3 or 4 shot the armor and heavey unit is dead. Your other team mates should be focusing on taking down the lesser units. My group likes to use the Turian soldier for this.

[x Riddler x]

Aedolon wrote...

No, I don't think it will work every time. That's why I said "it's not perfect" and "might". Sorry, no surprises for me.

Then guess what you FAIL the gold mission due to lack of CC on the geth, thus proving my point yet again.

[Esperys]

x Riddler x wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

You could have just cloaked first, THEN used Sabotage if you have the bonus power evolve, or move to a new spot if the Geth will be on top of you within 5 seconds. If you wasted your cooldowns on CCing 1 of the 4 people closing in on you instead of the turn invisible and run away, you used your abilities wrong.

My whole point is that gold is hard, and that Sabotage was negating that challenge. It should require strategy and teamwork, not Quarian Infiltrators spamming their 3 key over and over.

WOW if you think that "power evolve" is worth getting over the tier 6 siper rifle damage then you don't deserve to play the class!

One of the most clueless things I've seen yet. One of my favorite tricks as a QI was to cloak, sabotage a near by geth for cover fire, then revive a fallen team-mate (still cloaked...you know...thanks to that evolve that's apparently worthless?)

Not everyone relies on a sniper rifle. Not everyone has to.

[x Riddler x]

rainasa wrote...

eh, i used a geth plasma shotgun during most of my gold runs on my QI, it was a much higher level then my widow, and my mods where better upgraded as well, and from the situations you proposed to Cyonan, I also did much better then you did.

I'm sorry are you assuming that every one has a geth plazma shotgun?

[x Riddler x]

Esperys wrote...

One of the most clueless things I've seen yet. One of my favorite tricks as a QI was to cloak, sabotage a near by geth for cover fire, then revive a fallen team-mate (still cloaked...you know...thanks to that evolve that's apparently worthless?)

Not everyone relies on a sniper rifle. Not everyone has to.

Then I hope you have another infiltrator in your group that can take down heavy units fast while you are busy reviving your fallen teammates LOL.

And I hope you relize now that because of the delay the enemys will ignore that newly hacked target right?

Modifié par x Riddler x, 14 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Esperys]

Infiltrators arn't the only class that can put out big damage. Anyone who can self sustain tech/biotic bursts relatively quickly can tear down any of these 'heavy units' you're talking about.

Sometimes... tactics > big damage numbers and infiltrators have tactical advantages in spades.

[Cyonan]

x Riddler x wrote...

If you think that the infiltrator class is not made to take down heavy units fast then you are mistaken. That is what the infiltrator is for! that is why they do so much Damage, take down the shield in 1 or 2 shots, then 3 or 4 shot the armor and heavey unit is dead. Your other team mates should be focusing on taking down the lesser units. My group likes to use the Turian soldier for this.

I run with a Widow or a Mantis with AP rounds on. I can already drop Geth Prime rediculously fast. Actually, I can drop them in about as many shots as you say you do. Your only doing roughly 17% more damage per shot with that upgrade than I am.

[rainasa]

x Riddler x wrote...

rainasa wrote...

eh, i used a geth plasma shotgun during most of my gold runs on my QI, it was a much higher level then my widow, and my mods where better upgraded as well, and from the situations you proposed to Cyonan, I also did much better then you did.

I'm sorry are you assuming that every one has a geth plazma shotgun?

I was simply pointing out the fact that not everyone has enough favor with the random number god to unlock sniper rifles and their mods, and if that's the case, then taking the tech while cloaked skill is a much better alternative then the sniper one, which would be useless

[LemurFromTheId]

x Riddler x wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

No, I don't think it will work every time. That's why I said "it's not perfect" and "might". Sorry, no surprises for me.

Then guess what you FAIL the gold mission due to lack of CC on the geth, thus proving my point yet again.

Your point? That Sabotage does not miraculously save your nether parts no matter how many geth are taking shots at you? There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

[x Riddler x]

Cyonan wrote...

I run with a Widow or a Mantis with AP rounds on. I can already drop Geth Prime rediculously fast. Actually, I can drop them in about as many shots as you say you do. Your only doing roughly 17% more damage per shot with that upgrade than I am.

LOL I would like to count how many shots you have to take with the mantis or the widow and I bet you hands down its more than 3 shots to take down the armor WITH OUT AP rounds, btw if you run the widow then you dont need AP rounds you need Warp or Disrupter rounds to get through the shield or barrier faster.

[x Riddler x]

Aedolon wrote...

Your point? That Sabotage does not miraculously save your nether parts no matter how many geth are taking shots at you? There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

Then whats the point of playing if you never can beat the gold missions. And by that I mean all gold missions on EVERY MAP and EVERY ENEMY!

And the only way to do that is to get better gear which now you have to wait 2 to 3 hours for ONE spector pack so that is 6 hours for TWO ....I think you can do the math from here.

Modifié par x Riddler x, 14 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[rainasa]

x Riddler x wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Your point? That Sabotage does not miraculously save your nether parts no matter how many geth are taking shots at you? There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

Then whats the point of playing if you never can beat the gold missions. And by that I mean all gold missions on EVERY MAP and EVERY ENEMY!

uh, you do realize you have 3 other teammates you have to depend on if you want to have any chance to beat gold. no single person is supposed to be able to carry an entire team to victory, and the QI was doing just that against geth.

A nerf was needed, my only issue with this is they didn't compensate the class in anyway, and now it is simply sub-par in every way.

Modifié par rainasa, 14 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Cyonan]

x Riddler x wrote...

LOL I would like to count how many shots you have to take with the mantis or the widow and I bet you hands down its more than 3 shots to take down the armor WITH OUT AP rounds, btw if you run the widow then you dont need AP rounds you need Warp or Disrupter rounds to get through the shield or barrier faster.

I was saying I run with "widow" or "Mantis with AP rounds", not that I always use AP rounds for everything.

If I need more than 3-4 shots to take out the armor of a Geth Prime, it's because I didn't aim my shots right and is thus my fault.

With the 40% extra sniper damage, your shots only actually do 17-18% more damage because of the way damage modifiers stack.

[LemurFromTheId]

x Riddler x wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Your point? That Sabotage does not miraculously save your nether parts no matter how many geth are taking shots at you? There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

Then whats the point of playing if you never can beat the gold missions. And by that I mean all gold missions on EVERY MAP and EVERY ENEMY!

And the only way to do that is to get better gear which now you have to wait 2 to 3 hours for ONE spector pack so that is 6 hours for TWO ....I think you can do the math from here.

I really am fascinated by the way your mind works. How do you get from me saying that "no class will handle a certain difficult situation every single time" to "you can never beat gold missions"?

[x Riddler x]

rainasa wrote...

uh, you do realize you have 3 other teammates you have to depend on if you want to have any chance to beat gold. no single person is supposed to be able to carry an entire team to victory, and the QI was doing just that against geth.

A nerf was needed, my only issue with this is they didn't compensate the class in anyway, and now it is simply sub-par.

At what point did I state that a QI nerf was not needed? NEVER I stated that BioWare made the QI complete TRASH now. They Completely took way the one skill that made the QI a QI. Yes you do have other teams there to help but thats not what I am talking about. They now almost made the geth just as hard as the Reapers making gold that much harder to beat inorder to get a faster way to obtain spector packs!

[x Riddler x]

Aedolon wrote...

There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

Thats your answer! To beat Gold you must be able to perform actions to defeat each wave as the difficutly rizes. If you can't do these actions every time then you will fail. Plain and simple.

Modifié par x Riddler x, 14 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[rainasa]

x Riddler x wrote...

At what point did I state that a QI nerf was not needed? NEVER I stated that BioWare made the QI complete TRASH now. They Completely took way the one skill that made the QI a QI. Yes you do have other teams there to help but thats not what I am talking about. They now almost made the geth just as hard as the Reapers making gold that much harder to beat inorder to get a faster way to obtain spector packs!

I know this is going to sound strange, but to me, that is a good thing. I still want to be able to put together a reasonably good team in an acceptable amount of time in a few months from now, and that will not happen if everyone had already unlocked and fully leveled up everything in a matter of weeks. yes not having the ideal weapons or mods sucks right now, but it is good for the community in the long run.

Modifié par rainasa, 14 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Cyonan]

x Riddler x wrote...

And the only way to do that is to get better gear which now you have to wait 2 to 3 hours for ONE spector pack so that is 6 hours for TWO ....I think you can do the math from here.

At what point does it take you 60 to 90 minutes to win a silver? Are you wiping on wave 1-2 constantly?

Silver runs take 25 minutes tops. You can get a Spectre pack at least every hour playing just silver.

[LemurFromTheId]

x Riddler x wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

There is no class (and player) that will successfully handle the situation in question every single time.

Thats your answer! To beat Gold you must be able to perform actions to defeat each wave as the difficutly rizes. If you can't do these actions every time then you will fail. Plain and simple.

Again, no.

If you can't handle a certain situation every time, it simply means that you won't beat gold every time.

Furthermore, the real solution to your little practical excercise was not to let yourself get into that situation in the first place. The real strength of an infiltrator, after all, is it's freedom of movement, the ability to flank your enemies. If you let yourself be swarmed, you're ignoring your strenght. Good luck with that.

[x Riddler x]

Cyonan wrote...

At what point does it take you 60 to 90 minutes to win a silver? Are you wiping on wave 1-2 constantly?

Silver runs take 25 minutes tops. You can get a Spectre pack at least every hour playing just silver.

60k for a Specter Pack

15-17k for a silver win 25mins per silver win ( if your are fast btw)

Please do your math! Thats almost 89 mins per Specter pack, thats 1 hour and 30 mins and thats to say your randoms don't suck. I for one dont want to play for an Hour and a half to get a chance and a rare that I need!

Now Gold missions

73k min and 28-31mins for the win
 
Thats 3 packs in the same about of time it takes you to get 1 playing silver! tripleing your chance to the right Rare that you need! But you forget that after 4 Gold missions wins you get to buy 2 pack instead of 1 there for in 2 hours you can up your chances of getting that rare you need my 5 times what you would by playing silver!

Point PROVEN!

[Cyonan]

x Riddler x wrote...

60k for a Specter Pack

15-17k for a silver win 25mins per silver win ( if your are fast btw)

Please do your math! Thats almost 89 mins per Specter pack, thats 1 hour and 30 mins and thats to say your randoms don't suck. I for one dont want to play for an Hour and a half to get a chance and a rare that I need!

Now Gold missions

73k min and 28-31mins for the win
 
Thats 3 packs in the same about of time it takes you to get 1 playing silver! tripleing your chance to the right Rare that you need! But you forget that after 4 Gold missions wins you get to buy 2 pack instead of 1 there for in 2 hours you can up your chances of getting that rare you need my 5 times what you would by playing silver!

Point PROVEN!

If you're going to insult my math, you should probably know that silver matches award 33k if you do all 3 objectives.

Bronze games give roughly 15k if you finish wave 10.

[x Riddler x]

Aedolon wrote...

Again, no.

If you can't handle a certain situation every time, it simply means that you won't beat gold every time.

Furthermore, the real solution to your little practical excercise was not to let yourself get into that situation in the first place. The real strength of an infiltrator, after all, is it's freedom of movement, the ability to flank your enemies. If you let yourself be swarmed, you're ignoring your strenght. Good luck with that.

So you flank your enemys and let your teammates get over ran. Some teammate you are, remind me to never play with you!

[rainasa]

x Riddler x wrote...

60k for a Specter Pack

15-17k for a silver win 25mins per silver win ( if your are fast btw)

Please do your math! Thats almost 89 mins per Specter pack, thats 1 hour and 30 mins and thats to say your randoms don't suck. I for one dont want to play for an Hour and a half to get a chance and a rare that I need!

Now Gold missions

73k min and 28-31mins for the win
 
Thats 3 packs in the same about of time it takes you to get 1 playing silver! tripleing your chance to the right Rare that you need! But you forget that after 4 Gold missions wins you get to buy 2 pack instead of 1 there for in 2 hours you can up your chances of getting that rare you need my 5 times what you would by playing silver!

Point PROVEN!

uhhh, I earn 15k on BRONZE I usally get around 35k per silver run, so it does round to about an hour for a specter pack

Modifié par rainasa, 14 mars 2012 - 05:10 .