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[Bendok]

I think it's bad PR for him to only tweet the handful of articles that are against the fans.

Protip: Fans > video game journalists

We buy the games, they don't.

[LolaLei]

[/quote]It's clear that you aren't a true lover of the ME series if you gulped down the ****** and **** they poured in a cup and told you it was an expresso.[/quote]

Haha! You certainly have a way with words!

Modifié par LolaLei, 13 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[ZodiEmish]

MintyCool wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1

In the end nothing will change. You will all accept it sooner or later. And when the new Bioware series is announced you will all be first at the door to buy it. lol, what a cycle....

Don't count on it. I have never had a series ruined by 10 minutes of the last game. No. I am sorry but I won't be there.

[Landline]

I don't want an ending out of some sense of entitlement.

I want a new ending because I want an excuse to continue doing business with Bioware.

I'm afraid that Bioware won't give me that excuse, so it's looking like this with be the last Bioware game I ever buy.

[nitefyre410]

KovaksCA wrote...

My question now for Mike is what company is going to make the games I buy going forward since Bioware will die choking on their own Hubris?

Mike, I design air filtration systems for giant commercial buildings for a living. If one of my customers calls me up and tells me that I messed up my design and there are huge dead spots where the air is stagnant I revamp his system to make it right, not tell him that I'm fine with the system the way I designed it. Why can Bioware get away with it and not me?

 


Because were you, I and many others have given the harsh reality of upset customer = no buisness.  Bioware has been pampered  by not only the gaming media but  at times us the fans that they can get off with doing sloopy shoody work. Where in the reality this is not true and now this is the fruit of that... 

They sound like their entitled to pull what ever little  PR stunt they feel because they too fan apperication for granted. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 13 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[malkuth74]

Told you guys this is the real ending. But go ahead and keep believing your dilussion of grander.

What we got is what we got. Time to move on and stay away from bioware.

[The Angry One]

The ending killed my hopes and dreams.
The ending has me in a terminal depression.

If it won't be changed, then I'm done. Not just DLC, I'll never give a red cent to BioWare again.
You want to rip my world apart and laugh at me, Gamble? Suit yourself.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

You can't address a problem until you admit you have one Bioware.

If you insist on this route, at least have the courage to spell it out to us that this is it, that's the end, it won't change. You wouldn't give us closure in game, at least give it to us in real life so we can move on and care about different game companies, series and fiction that actually care about how their fans' expectations and feelings. The message I'm getting now from these tweets is, "No, your feelings are illegitimate, you're wrong to dislike it."

It'd be easier to swallow if we at least got an apology, but seems there's a streak of indigance in the avoidance of answering us and what is actually presented.

Modifié par PKchu, 13 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[JeanLuc Awesome]

crimzontearz wrote...

people should tweet a hail of the articles saying the opposite and reply that link to every unrelated tweet he makes

I'm all for everyone tweeting the more rational articles once but please don't start spamming them into all of his tweets, that won't help our cause. We need to keep it appropriate.

Modifié par JeanLuc Awesome, 13 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Legendaryred]

The guy is full of **** obviously.

[eoinnx03]

Well this proves it so, Bioware does not give a **** what its own fanbase think. Way to slap the hand that feeds. They used to be so different as a company. I'm done now.

[Wowlock]

Tsantilas wrote...

Here's what I think is an epic response to that article by Unigolyn and pretty much sums everything up:

DEUS EX MACHINA:

You're getting your literary devices mixed up. The Crucible is not deus ex machina, it is a MacGuffin. It's largely irrelevant except as a plot device. It is the exhaust port on the Death Star.

The narrative of ME3 is not about finding the Crucible, it is about building the greatest alliance ever seen in the galaxy (which the Crucible, as a plot device, allows to happen).

Why the Catalyst AI and his Monty Hall spiel of the Adjust Hue/Saturation is a deus ex machina is that it is the resolution to the narrative. The fact that he is also literally a "god from the machine" is irrelevant, albeit ironic. He is a deus ex machina in the literary sense, i.e. a handwaved contrivance that shows up out of the blue to quickly whisk away all the dangling story threads, and to abruptly end the story.

This is abysmal writing. This is abysmal game design; a Pick Your Own Adventure book where all choices take you to the same final chapter. It is counter to everything this game is. And what is this game?

In a recent Extra Credits, Portnow discussed core elements of a game. The Mass Effect series is really not a third person shooter. It is also really not a roll-the-dice-and-level-up CRPG. Mass Effect is, at its core, interactive fiction. All the memorable moments in these games take place in cutscenes that play out in myriad ways based on prior choices. You are role-playing in the most literal sense of crafting a character's personality based on your choices. The climax of Mass Effect 2 was not shooting the Human Reaper in the eye, the climax of Mass Effect 2 were the cutscenes that played and showed the results of your actions. Did you defy TIM? Did your crewmates survive? If your choices were poor enough, you could defeat the final boss, only to make a desperate leap towards the Normandy with no one to catch you.

The desperate leap in Mass Effect 3 is your dash towards the Beam. The only input that matters at all past this point is the encounter with TIM. That encounter is true to Mass Effect, and honors your previous choices, and provides closure for the secondary antagonist.

But for the main antagonist (Reapers), nothing you did matters. You are given three arbitrary choices to solve a problem that, depending on your actions, may be proven to be a false dilemma in the first place. If you saved both the Quarians and the Geth, witnessed Legion's messianic sacrifice, and humanized EDI - the Catalyst's claim of organic/synthetic conflict being unavoidable is patently false.

The Catalyst AI is completely incongruous with the narrative and the themes of the game. It shows up, provides a complete strawman of a conflict, and then offers three vapid, plot-hole ridden resolutions to this conflict, which abruptly end the narrative in a blinding flash of Space Magic (pick your color!).

CHOICES DON'T MATTER

Again, you're missing the point. No one is complaining about the preceding 30 hours of gameplay. Choices did seem to matter. Your treatment of the Rachni queen from two games ago ended up gaining you a seemingly valuable ally. Saving Wrex can gain a hopeful future for the Krogan. Your choices regarding Legion and the Migrant Fleet in ME2 have incredibly strong consequences in the seeming conclusion of the Geth/Quarian storyline. This is why we loved the game up to the ending.

And the ending completely demolished all of it, and made it completely illusory. Who gives a **** if you saved the Rachni? They just end up giving you Space Points and don't affect your ending at all. Who gives a **** if the Quarians or Geth or both survived? They're all dead anyway. Who cares if you cured the genophage and saved the one leader who could lead the Krogan into a less brutish, more hopeful future? He's either trapped on earth or dead, and the radioactive husk that is Tuchanka cannot sustain their race without supplies anyway.

And even more egregiously, the choices you made in the development of YOUR Shepard don't matter. She acts EXACTLY the same when facing the ultimate antagonist regardless of whether she's a Space Racist Renegade or Never Surrender Paragon or whatever your Shepard actually is, and what (insert pronoun) stands for.

You accept Space Hitler's premise without argument, and dejectedly pick one of the three Slightly Less Turning Everyone Into Paste final solutions he has to offer.

How does it matter in the slightest that I've done the frickin' impossible and united the Geth and the Quarians into a hopeful future, shown that we need not fear synthetic life, seen a nascent artificial sentience freely decide to set "Love and compassion" as their main motivation, and fought for the reactionary, bleak idea of "AI will always rebel" to be proven wrong? Space Hitler shows up, says "AI will always rebel, here are drastic fixes to this undeniable problem". And I go "yessuh"?

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SAD

It's not sad. You are being incredibly myopic and dismissive of our experiences by reducing it to "y every1 has 2 diezorz?". The ending of the story is not actually sad, it's just anticlimactic, contrived, incongruous, and ridden with plot holes.

The part that's sad and what's tearing me apart is that this is not a case of people writing themselves into a corner. This is not a case of glorified hacks like Ronald D. Moore or Cuse/Lindelof making **** up as they go along, to find themselves at the end with no way to tie all the crap together in a cathartic way.

This is a beautifully written game, for the majority of the experience. Bioware has bona fide talent within their ranks. And the story, up to the very end, is redeemable in dozens of ways. Even the contrived, out-of-the-blue Star Child could be made into an interesting character by presenting it as a shackled AI who was given a specific, limited goal born of fear (stop AI from wiping out organic life forever), and it arrived at the grotesque solution of Reapers not because AI is evil, but the constraints never allow it to look past the false dilemma it's attempting to solve.

Most importantly, this is not a TV show or a movie. This narrative is, by design, told in a unique medium which is NOT doomed to give us a singular ending. Our Shepards can be varied, yes, but there is a finite amount of paradigms that lead you to the end, and they could all have a cathartic, poignant, and persistent ending. Let the Renegades ascend to rule the galaxy. Let the Paragons defeat primitive fear and xenophobia.

I do not care if the Relays have to go down, but don't do it in such a thoughtless way as to destroy everything meaningful I accomplished. I do not care if my Shepard dies. In fact, I expected her to go down in a blaze of glory, in the greatest battle that shall ever be fought, for the most meaningful (to her) victory a soldier could ever earn. She did not get this. I did not get this.

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people didn't get this. We are not asking for a Disney ending. We are not asking for a dance party with Ewoks. We are just asking for our Big Damn Heroes to go out on their own terms, win or lose.

This should be the answer for all the ''whining gamers ! '' topics....

Disclaiming the problems won't make it go away. They already lost most of us for the future games since if we cannot trust them with an ending of a such a great series, why would we trust them in the future ? 

And they seem like they don't even try to redeem themselves by ''liking'' the (possible) paid off arthicles....

I can't bring myself to respect those opinions of '' what's wrong with the ending '' from those who didn't play the 3 games and thes ''journalists'' who only played an hour or so in the game and then they think they know everything..

Those who played it and liked the ending ? Well they already liked it soo they can move on with no problem. I don't understand why they come back and act like we are whining because we didn't get the endings we deserve ? I call that fanboyism .

As for that last statement... this is a Video game...not some crappy soap opera, tv show or Even a Movie ( if this was the ending of the Mass Effect Movie they were planning... I would've said '' sucks'' and move on ) . This is a game series we spend money, time , emotions on. This game basicly built on players and their decisions. If you cannot understand the basic themes and the gameplay of this series then you cannot talk about how '' fitting'' these endings are. Those endings had no ties with the Mass Effect we played. You can bring up any evidence...for a game that based on techs and science this much...you cannot bring the Omni-potent space god using space making in last minute and combine everything to a big messy ending.

I am not even angry about the depressive ( EMO ) endings we get. Aside from the suicidal tendencies the writers must have while writing the endings , I am more upset about there being NO Epilogue... No conclusion to your journey, no big emotional payoff , no REASON for replaying the series....

That is why I am upset...and that is why I think we deserve better.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Well this proves it so, Bioware does not give a **** what its own fanbase think. Way to slap the hand that feeds. They used to be so different as a company. I'm done now.

This seems to be a really short term focused mind set. They may sell more ME3 now if they keep quiet, but this will eventually bubble over and hurt sales. It definitely will in the long term with the people who burned never trusting this company again, especially with the salt in the wound response we're getting on Twitter.

The marketing and PR people at Bioware might get some serious aggravation from the ups at EA.

Modifié par PKchu, 13 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[wesr]

av196vad wrote...

I didn't shell out $300+ on all the Mass Effect games/books/DLCs and invest 500+ hours into their products for BioWare to screw me like this. They must either change the ending or risk losing a vast majority of their loyal customers.

Too late they've already lost most of their loyal customers and everyone except Bioware sees it coming. I hope Forbes keeps doing articles to keep the heat on the investers. You get a company by their wallet and they pay attention. This proves my point that Bioware just doesn't care.

[Wowlock]

MintyCool wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213/1

In the end nothing will change. You will all accept it sooner or later. And when the new Bioware series is announced you will all be first at the door to buy it. lol, what a cycle....

If you have no sense of self-respect...you can go ahead and buy their games....

For me ? I am done. I got screwed enough for a life time. This was the last straw for me... time for this sheep to wake up.

And don't think every customer is as weak-willed as ''drones'' you are talking about.

Modifié par Wowlock, 13 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

wesr wrote...

Too late they've already lost most of their loyal customers and everyone except Bioware sees it coming. I hope Forbes keeps doing articles to keep the heat on the investers. You get a company by their wallet and they pay attention. This proves my point that Bioware just doesn't care.

Yeah, it's sad - it's very obvious that this is a final straw moments for a lot of their most hardcore and dedicated fans but even people who were more casual. I've seen so many people who completely despise the ending, it's a 10 to 1 ratio spanning the most hardcore to the least hardcore, people who didn't play ME1/2 even. This is not the ending we wanted.

Right now they appear to try and be hiding from the criticism. 

[crimzontearz]

right because disregarding the negative articles is totally appropriate right jean luc?

[I RJay I]

I'm not ok with the endings, because... If the Hallucination ending is true then Shepard is alive, Reapers aren't dealt with... The fight isn't over. And if it's not true, then there are a VAST amount of plot holes and stupid antics. Either way, this is not an acceptable way to end the series.

[LolaLei]

malkuth74 wrote...

Told you guys this is the real ending. But go ahead and keep believing your dilussion of grander.

What we got is what we got. Time to move on and stay away from bioware.

Chances are you're right, but we might be able to get them to change it. If not then **** 'em, BUT whilst there's even a small possibility that we can get Bioware to put things right then why not fight for it?

[KRAETZNER]

Reapers really love to reap.

[Benrosan]

Sad how the most of the gaming media thinks being contrarians is proof of critical thinking. But then again, articles like that serve our purpose in the end. In the meantime we should all keep posting reviews of the game on Metacritic and Amazon.

[Lambda Diamond]

If they dont change the ending I will never play a new Bioware game for a long! time!

[Sublyminal]

[quote]LolaLei wrote...

[/quote]It's clear that you aren't a true lover of the ME series if you gulped down the ****** and **** they poured in a cup and told you it was an expresso.[/quote]

Haha! You certainly have a way with words!

[/quote]


Wow my poor phone couldn't handle everything I was punching in. It was supposed to say. You aren't a true ME lover if you gulped down the ****** and **** mix known as ME3 poured in a cup and renamed an expresso.

[eoinnx03]

PKchu wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

Well this proves it so, Bioware does not give a **** what its own fanbase think. Way to slap the hand that feeds. They used to be so different as a company. I'm done now.

This seems to be a really short term focused mind set. They may sell more ME3 now if they keep quiet, but this will eventually bubble over and hurt sales. It definitely will in the long term with the people who burned never trusting this company again, especially with the salt in the wound response we're getting on Twitter.

The marketing and PR people at Bioware might get some serious aggravation from the ups at EA.

That's what I'm thinking, you'd think EA marketing would
have alarm bells going off and would try to fix this. The ducking your head in
the sand approach that Bioware seem to be taking as well as more or less
calling us too simple to get the endings, is just eugh frustrating to put it
mildly.

[robbyiscool]

eoinnx03 wrote...


That's what I'm thinking, you'd think EA marketing would
have alarm bells going off and would try to fix this. The ducking your head in
the sand approach that Bioware seem to be taking as well as more or less
calling us too simple to get the endings, is just eugh frustrating to put it
mildly.

Well lets not put words in their mouth.  Mike Gamble simply REtweeted an article written by someone else.