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[ShadowLordXII]

Whose side is he most likely to join?

He was cautious of mages, but wasn't necessarily a zealot since he wanted to wait until it was absolutely necessary to invoke the Right of Annulment (granted that a good chunk of the mages were blood mages and abominations, that says something.)

I would honestly like to believe that Greagoir's templar branch became pro-mage but I can't really say.  Though he would probably think that Meredith's actions in Kirkwall were ridiculous since she annulled the mages there for the actions of a mage who was outside of the Circle.

Thoughts?

[Wulfram]

I think he'd want to stay loyal to the Divine, who doesn't want to see the mages slaughtered. The Mages could push him to side against them if they adopted the wrong tactics - lots of blood magic, attacks on the chantry, that sort of thing.

Of course, the situation in Fereldan may be different from elsewhere, since Alistair seems to sympathise with the mages.

[caradoc2000]

If someone (who is not Jerry Lee Lewis) comes at him with Great Balls of Fire, I'd say he would side with the Templars.

[dragonflight288]

Well he is addicted to lyrium. Like all templars. But he seems like a decent guy so I bet he'll stay with the Chantry or at least swear fealty to Ferelden.

[TEWR]

I see him siding with the Divine and possibly swearing fealty to Alistair, since both seem to understand that there has to be a balance between security and freedom.

And hopefully he was never a woman-beater like the comics wanted to depict him as, despite that being called canon. Bah.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I see him siding with the Divine and possibly swearing fealty to Alistair, since both seem to understand that there has to be a balance between security and freedom.

And hopefully he was never a woman-beater like the comics wanted to depict him as, despite that being called canon. Bah.

Perhaps you're correct about Knight-Commander Greagoir siding with Divine Justina V. I'd wonder how a pro-mage Warden would impact the dichotomy between the mages and the templars, especially if the Warden-Commander was a mage. Having command over the Grey Wardens, having a politican position, commanding an army, and being a popular figure who locals view as being "blessed by the Maker" would certainly be issues that would complicate the anti-mage view, especially if The Warden followed the defeat of the Archdemon in Denerim with a victory against the darkspawn in the City of Amaranthine. I suppose the possible ending to Witch Hunt complicates matters in respect to whether The Warden would still be in Ferelden or not, which calls into question what Morrigan is up to. In retrospect to the Magi boon, I imagine mages across Thedas would seek out a popular mage who asked for his (or her) people to be given their independence.

Regardless, I can see multiple factions in Ferelden - templars who view the situation like Meredith, templars who view the situation like Greagoir, mages who want their freedom, and mages who are loyal to the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars.

I would hope that the depiction of Greagoir in that comic isn't canon. While he made some decisions I disagreed with in the first game, I thought he was a good character. He represented the opposing view well. Much more layered than the typical templars that were seen in Kirkwall, with the exception of Thrask.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Psh.. He is probably dead of old age by now anyway... He was already aging by the time of DA:O, so 10 years later I doubt he is still in active duty.

[TEWR]

He seemed like he was in his 40s, 50s, or early 60s. Considering Irving's in his 80s -- I think the toolset said as much -- and still the First Enchanter, I doubt Gregoir's dead. If people in Thedas can live into their 80s and still be healthy -- providing the environment they're living in is also healthy -- Gregoir's probably not dead.

The last mention we have of Gregoir is in Witch Hunt, where we're told he went out on official business. That happened.... in around 9:33-9:34 Dragon.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

He is probably in his sixties, maybe even seventies, during DA:O, since Irving is the only other member of the Circle to remember a time before Irving was Knight-Commander. So that would put him at seventy or eighty by the time of the war, which is much older than what most Templars ever get, in active duty.

[TEWR]

He is probably in his sixties, maybe even seventies, during DA:O, since Irving is the only other member of the Circle to remember a time before Irving was Knight-Commander. So that would put him at seventy or eighty by the time of the war, which is much older than what most Templars ever get, in active duty.

Irving is both First Enchanter and Knight Commander?! Holy crap. Dude's influential. He must be one hell of a Templar-Mage.

Anyway, jokes aside someone should look up Gregoir's age in the toolset. Marethari's apparently over 100 in DAO, yet she looked like she was in her 80s at most. Course, that's due to her being an elf, but looks can be deceiving.

I've seen people that look older then they really are, and conversely I've been told I look younger then I really am.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

He is probably in his sixties, maybe even seventies, during DA:O, since Irving is the only other member of the Circle to remember a time before Irving was Knight-Commander. So that would put him at seventy or eighty by the time of the war, which is much older than what most Templars ever get, in active duty.

Greagoir didn't seem like he was getting the symptoms of lyrium overuse. I mean, that guy standing outside the Denerim chantry was completely loopy. Lyrium might affect people differently, and the KC strikes me as a guy with a healthy constitution.

[Wulfram]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anyway, jokes aside someone should look up Gregoir's age in the toolset.

50.

[TEWR]

50? Cool. So he's 60 by the end of DAII. I can definitely see him playing a part in the Mage-Templar War, considering Meredith was in her 50s during DAII.

[dragonflight288]

Unless he's become lyrium addled over the ten years.

[Lynata]

 An interesting question. Greagoir's hard stance on blood magic obviously wouldn't make it likely for him to align with a violent uprising of mages fighting for independence, but would he stay true to the Chantry or lead his troops into an unsanctioned hunt?

I think the relative absence of fanaticism would make him tend to the former, but on the other hand a firm conviction to his duty - with no hatred of mages whatsoever - could just as well have him believe that this is a threat that needs to be dealt with, even if it goes against his loyalty to the Chantry. It might very well hinge on how the Divine herself deals with the situation, what kind of orders she has issued to the templars, and what she is trying to contain the crisis.

Another interesting question would be how this situation plays out if the Circle in Ferelden would have been granted independence after the events in DA:O. I'm not saying that this is actually canon, or that I'd even prefer if it were, but I've always enjoyed playing out "what if" scenarios in my mind. Would Greagoir even still be there or would the templars have left the country? Would the Circle in Ferelden even go into riot if it'd not be under Chantry control anymore?

[Silfren]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Personally, Knight Commander Gregoir for me is annoying but the same time funny. He always argue with Irving but they both is good friend. Playing as a mage in DA:O, i cannot hate him, because he somewhat can be talked with not like Cullen, he seems like reasonable man. You can give bad response to him and he still fine with it. For example, when return to the tower he said something like "I hope you are dead", we can reply "do you really wish i am dead", he will say "maybe not" something like that, then his reaction telling about how he can't handle the situation is funny...and if Irving survive, he look happy, and Irving response is also funny. The way he argue with both Duncan and Irving also funny after Jowan run away. i said "I don't know Jowan is blood mage" and he reply "You think that excuse you?", it is funny

So i think, Gregoir will likely side with the mage,

Say what?  Greagoir NEVER says anything about hoping the Warden was dead. 

Sometimes I wonder about how the English gets translated....

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

50? Cool. So he's 60 by the end of DAII. I can definitely see him playing a part in the Mage-Templar War, considering Meredith was in her 50s during DAII.

Meredith was in her 50s?  Are you sure about this?  I thought the lore indicated that she was unusually young for her post.  (And she certainly looks young for a woman supposed to be in her 50s).

I'm not sure we should use the toolset to go by a character's age.  After all, the tool set for Origins goes by Alistair's original incarnation as an older Warden, listing him as 38, I believe, but the Alistair we actually get in the game is considerably younger than that.

I doubt we'll see Greagoir in DA3 as anything more than an optional NPC encounter, given that in certain Origins epilogue endings, he died shortly after the events in the Tower.