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[v0rt3x22]

Haha - OMG - I just lol'ed so hard.

Some of you may be extremely wrong here - so let me say:

I support this entire 'Shepard is indoctrinated' - theory.

If someone already brought this to the table, I'm sorry - it's hard to keep track - but here goes my main reasoning for the entire 'Shepard is indoctrinated' theory to be (most likely) valid:

Has anyone actually bothered on reading the Codex?

This is a copy of what the in-game codex - in Mass Effect 3 - says about indoctrination:

"Reaper 'indoctrination' is an insidious means of corruptiong organic minds, 'reprogramming' the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods.

The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of 'being watched' and hallucinations of 'ghostly' presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitous awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."



Now let's back trace -

'Ghostly' presences? (The Child)
'Alien Voices in the mind'? (Listen again to the Shepard / Anderson / TIM showdown)

I'm sorry for all the non-believers - but for me personally - this entire theory is currently the one that seems to have considerable suggesting evidence that it may be - infact - valid.

Which - in turn - also suggests at a cliff hanger ending - not an absolute!

All cards are still on the table if you ask me.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 13 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Legendaryred]

Yea, there is no way the crucible would know about the kid that shepard saw died.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

one way or another, it gives me hope that there will be an additional ending that will be implemented into the game later. it just makes so much sense...

[MajorGuts-Free]

The thing for me is, even if this indoctrination theory is true which I'm not sure one way or the other, we are stuck either with ending that are a major disappointment or we were given a game with no ending

[rorako]

After five years, at the last possible second, Shepard gets indoctrinated.

That means...game over, right? So, after hundreds of hours, we end up losing everything, and getting no end?

What a way to end a trilogy. Y'know, this ended Shepard's story, but now we'll see a new trilogy fighting the Reapers and continuing the war.

[v0rt3x22]

rorako wrote...

After five years, at the last possible second, Shepard gets indoctrinated.

That means...game over, right? So, after hundreds of hours, we end up losing everything, and getting no end?

I think that's a very unhealthy assumption to make - one that many are making here - that the ending is absolute - and its 'Game Over'.

I strongly disagree with that notion - as BioWare has dropped more than enough hints that something is in the works.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 13 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[Daoa]

What hints?

[Luigitornado]

:\\

Nope.

[NomadDC]

Well, all of us would like it to be truth. But again, no real proof, only thoughts. And than WTF, where is ending?

[Garosh]

rorako wrote...

After five years, at the last possible second, Shepard gets indoctrinated.

That means...game over, right? So, after hundreds of hours, we end up losing everything, and getting no end?

What a way to end a trilogy. Y'know, this ended Shepard's story, but now we'll see a new trilogy fighting the Reapers and continuing the war.

The way I see it, the blue ending is giving in to the indoctrination, the red ending is you fighting the indoctrination, and the gray ending is just doing nothing. The real red ending, with enough war rating has your shepard laying in the rubble and breathing in after the citadel destroys the reapers. So I guess there's only one real ending, which is taking the red way out.

[v0rt3x22]

Daoa wrote...

What hints?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we
are planning…you’d, we’ll – hold onto your copy of [Mass Effect 3]
forever."

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

[JeffZero]

Daoa wrote...

What hints?

[JeffZero]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Daoa wrote...

What hints?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we
are planning…you’d, we’ll – hold onto your copy of [Mass Effect 3]
forever."

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

So, people are still quoting the one tweet? The one tweet made by the guy who moments later replied to a tweet from femshep.com by saying he never specifically implied anything about dlc for that matter, and who has recently re-tweeted the PennyArcade article on why the endings were good?

[Dranume]

All we can do is stay respectful, stay organized, stay motivated and sit and wait for BW

[Kilshrek]

MajorGuts-Free wrote...

The thing for me is, even if this indoctrination theory is true which I'm not sure one way or the other, we are stuck either with ending that are a major disappointment or we were given a game with no ending

Pretty much this.

[qdust]

 You know I'm starting to buy into this theory a little bit.  So much of the ending just doesn't make sense...it almost has to be a dream sequence from anderson beating shep the citadel.  Shepard's best friend, love interest, and Joker magically safe on the Normandy.  The illusive man killing himself in almost the exact same way as Saren, and of course the star baby.

But...

If the halluci-indoctra-dreaming theories are true.  Then the game isn't over.  We haven't retaken earth, and I might be even madder than i was before.

[v0rt3x22]

JeffZero wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Daoa wrote...

What hints?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we
are planning…you’d, we’ll – hold onto your copy of [Mass Effect 3]
forever."

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

So, people are still quoting the one tweet? The one tweet made by the guy who moments later replied to a tweet from femshep.com by saying he never specifically implied anything about dlc for that matter, and who has recently re-tweeted the PennyArcade article on why the endings were good?

Yes I am - because he is correct: he never specifically implied anything about dlc for that matter - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ending of ME3 is absolute.

That's the other side of the coin - where people read and interprete something completely different - and that's perfectly fine and their right to do.

The fact of the matter is that Mike Gamble dropped the ball by saying something is in the works.

And consider the following:

twitter.com/#!/SebastianMetto/status/179607911696306176


@masseffect

The ending to ME3 is so sad though beautiful. But i'm left with so many questions that need answers.

@sebastianmetto

Hang in there...

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 13 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[eoinnx03]

Kilshrek wrote...

MajorGuts-Free wrote...

The thing for me is, even if this indoctrination theory is true which I'm not sure one way or the other, we are stuck either with ending that are a major disappointment or we were given a game with no ending

Pretty much this.

Yeah................*Le sigh*

[SandTrout]

http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423

[JeffZero]

@v0rt

Well, fair enough.

[Kilshrek]

v0rt3x22 wrote...


Yes I am - because he is correct: he never specifically implied anything about dlc for that matter - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ending of ME3 is absolute.

That's the other side of the coin - where people read and interprete something completely different - and that's perfectly fine and their right to do.

You know, if this turns out to be true and there's a story beyond the ending, I will be unimpressed. I'll buy it despite everything, but that would be the single most underhanded thing Bioware could have done in the whole saga. The ending of the game, right out of the box, must be absolute. That it had totally disregarded our hundreds of hours of ME 1 & 2 is of less relevance to the fact that Bioware had planned for story content that follows directly after the mission, in the story chronology that is.

Now I know that is unlikely, but the utter confusion of seeing the Normandy on some random tropical planet, and then Shep having to choose between, annihilation, annihilation or annihilation really got my goat. It was very unsatisfying, it's almost like I'd been served a starter when I'd ordered a main meal.

qdust wrote...

 You know I'm starting to buy into this
theory a little bit.  So much of the ending just doesn't make sense...it
almost has to be a dream sequence from anderson beating shep the
citadel.  Shepard's best friend, love interest, and Joker magically safe
on the Normandy.  The illusive man killing himself in almost the exact
same way as Saren, and of course the star baby.

But...

If
the halluci-indoctra-dreaming theories are true.  Then the game isn't
over.  We haven't retaken earth, and I might be even madder than i was
before.

Javik was my BFF? Holy....

Modifié par Kilshrek, 13 mars 2012 - 08:01 .

[v0rt3x22]

In addition - seeing that the Illusive Man was indoctrinated - and Udina working for the Illusive Man - it was another attempt of the Reapers to try and prevent an insurrection of all the races united against the Reapers.

I think at this point they are afraid of Shepard - and what he has become. A symbol of Hope.

Their success of finally gaining control of him - opens an entire new possibility on where this story might go.

I absolutely love it - because while we were all expecting the Reaper War to be over - Sovereign always said in ME1: The cycle cannot be broken.

But perhaps Shepard will be able to break free from his indoctrination.

It's such a good plot twist in my opinion.

[MzAdventure]

MajorGuts-Free wrote...

The thing for me is, even if this indoctrination theory is true which I'm not sure one way or the other, we are stuck either with ending that are a major disappointment or we were given a game with no ending

This.

And if it was some kind of "gotcha"... wow.  Just wow.

Given all the anguish, time to come clean, don't ya think.

[Tigerlily Warrior]

Hey, take what v0rt3x22 is saying and watch this breakdown of the ending on youtube. It provides more evidence to back his theory.



From a purely business perspective, if EA wanted to continue the series, which all marketing and interviews with BW teams indicates they do, the ending should've left some room for old and new fans to contemplate until the development of ME4 begins. At this point, I don't want to even play ME, ME2, or ME3 again, so why would I want to buy ME4? It's bad business.

If v0rt3x22 is correct, when Bioware publicly addresses the community, it will be with news. What that news is, who's to say? Maybe a patch, maybe something bigger than a DLC. Something more like "Shepard's final mission" game like Dragon Age: Awakening. Here's hoping.

[v0rt3x22]

Tigerlily Warrior wrote...

Hey, take what v0rt3x22 is saying and watch this breakdown of the ending on youtube. It provides more evidence to back his theory.



From a purely business perspective, if EA wanted to continue the series, which all marketing and interviews with BW teams indicates they do, the ending should've left some room for old and new fans to contemplate until the development of ME4 begins. At this point, I don't want to even play ME, ME2, or ME3 again, so why would I want to buy ME4? It's bad business.

If v0rt3x22 is correct, when Bioware publicly addresses the community, it will be with news. What that news is, who's to say? Maybe a patch, maybe something bigger than a DLC. Something more like "Shepard's final mission" game like Dragon Age: Awakening. Here's hoping.

Thanks for the kind words - in all the rage that's going on at the moment - its nice to have people back you up.