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[Taboo]

Aigik wrote...

Cliffnotes?

I'll look to liking if looking liking do.

Good old Shakespeare.

[Captiosus77]

A five star post if ever there were one.

I would also consider myself in group 3 with my emotional reaction trending towards anger. To me, Mass Effect was the gaming equivalent of the original Star Wars. Bioware took their considerable strengths from previous games and melded them into this IP, creating a game franchise that actually made the player care about choice and morality as well as characters and story. Until this, such a franchise simply didn't exist. There have been plenty of trilogies and sequels, but none where decisions you made carried with you or your character, with all of his or her flaws, would be with you five years later. The books were written as canon to supplement the game and were good until the last one. The universe was one of the best crafted in modern gaming history.

Saying I was emotionally invested feels like an understatement. The ME universe FELT believable because of the crafting, the choices, and the detail. To have all of that sucker punched in the last 10 minutes and reduced to a pile of rubble felt like someone walking up and shooting my 10 year old cat in the head for no reason other than because they felt like it.

[Taboo]

People are legitimately hurt and are speaking out against it. Unethical? No. What is unethical is making judgement before we know everything. Were this a trial absolutely nothing would get done.

[FabricatedWookie]

Taboo-XX wrote...

betd2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


1. The key concept of art.

Art is first and foremost an expression of the artist and it is wholly up to them how their product is finished. Input can certainly play a part but severe interference is not necessary. No one had the right to tell da Vinci that the Mona Lisa needed to smile or that Michaelangelo needed to put pants on David. Those were not the public's choice to make. However the staggering amount of backlash has put the entire gaming world into the public eye. Is it ethical to demand changes because we find it to be offense? I certainly would never put pants on David, simply because Michaelangelo sculpted his statue that way.

There is a  couple problems with your argurement IMO.
First,. Da Vinci wasn't one of five or so (too lazy check to see how many writers and Editors,  ME3 had)  working on the Mona Lisa.  Who, for all we know got overruled by his boss to make the painting the way it is.
Second, Michaelangelo didn't sculpt the David for funs he did it cause he was payed to by a patron who told Michaelangelo what he wanted.  Now Question, If ME3 is art, who is it's Patron?
That would be us.  and therefore we have a right to demand the artist redo unsatisfactory work.

Perhaps I should use a more timely metaphor? Give me a moment and I'll think of one.

You don't let a never nude play adam in a living painting

Modifié par FabricatedWookie, 14 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[wtbusername]

I find myself in between group 1 and 2.

[Taboo]

I wasn't surprised by the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey because the film is structured in such a way that it is interpreted in a contemplative fashion. It makes sense.

Edvard Munch's The Scream makes sense in the context of the situation.

What is going on?

[Astralify]

MASS WARS III: The Revenge of the Fans

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Modifié par Astralify, 14 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[TuringPoint]

Mavaras wrote...


I'll state it clearly. If I pay for something, I'm damn well gonna state what I think of it and how it could be improved. My relationship is as a consumer. Period.

Great.  This is fine.

If someone asks to write it themselves, though, or for the dev's to cover up or toss out what they've already done, they're not engaging in dialogue, and they're doing more than exercising their consumer priveleges.

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[DirectorStormchaser1]

I love teh ending, I love Bioware.

Bioware finally listened to us which they never did in Mass Effect 1.

A True Renegade Version. Shepherd Indoctrinated.

I wish they still kept the posts from Mass Effect 1. We were in same boat.

As old saying goes, you cannot please everyone.

[TuringPoint]

Unlike a typical product, a creative product is offered to everyone the same way. Not because it was produced in a factory but because that's how it maintains identity within finite resources. Understand this. Consider that not everyone wants or needs it to be changed, and that different people have different degrees to which they want there to be change.

I do think the game industry is terrible when it comes to promising things they won't, or simply cannot deliver. I have less of an issue with the ending since I have experience with re-interpreting what developer's say before a game is released.

I'm not saying or believing anyone is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.    

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Taboo]

No one would have said anything about a happy ending or if the ending seemed to follow the finite realism present everywhere else in the series. The problem is that the last moments of the game literally take a 180 degree turn.

That isn't good logic unless it an intentional choice. Bioware has commented on the issue so many people are taking it to be a sign that they were simply too lazy to do anything about the ending.

I will reserve judgement.

[mjh417]

AMEN OP, AMEN!!!

Seriously your post is perfect. I love everything you said. I to am a "3. Emotional Devastation"

Also like you I really value art and artistic expression even when people don't like it. I'm a huge film guy and I will always be one to defend a controversial artistic expression if it makes sense to me or I understand and respect where the artist is coming from. Whats going on with ME3 though is different. The medium of games, particularly as Bioware has defined it with the ME series is that its as much OUR story as it is theirs, and its OUR choices that drive the story, The end doesn't do that and I agree with you that its events don't fit in with the form of artistic expression and logical thinking that make p the rest of the entire trilogy.

[TuringPoint]

It was a 180 that, for some - perhaps many - perhaps a majority of people who aren't even using the forums - had some apparent reasoning for happening.

I agree that that the three endings don't quite do justice to everything we've done, but for me they were otherwise effective.  They weren't bad, but these cutscenes aren't what made the journey worth it for me.

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[x-Killision-X]

great post +1

[Darman]

Like

[Taboo]

Let me put it this way. At this time I have a greater understanding of what Terrence Malick was trying to do in The Tree of Life. The Tree of Life is a masterpiece by the way.