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[rockman0]

Apparently, I didn't play ME2 right, so I had to choose between one or the other. I chose the Geth.

During this entire conflict, the Geth are defending themselves. They team with the Reapers to defend themselves. They entered war to defend themselves. Heck, even the morning war was the Geth defending themselves.

Apparently, many Quarians sided with the Geth during the Morning War, but those Quarians were executed by their own people. Throughout the entire conflict, the Geth were asking what they did wrong and why they were being attacked. They honestly had no idea what was going on. In the end, they figured it out. As their intelligence grew, they stopped standing there and started fighting back. Even when they had basically won the war, they took a chance with the Quarians and allowed them to escape Rannoch. Had it been the other way around, the Quarians wouldn't have given a second thought to wiping out the Geth.

I know, it's synthetics vs. organics. We'll automatically side with the organic species. But the way I saw it, these were two sentient species in a conflict. I looked at the situation. i wasn't about to hold more value over one. So, I sided with the Geth. There was no way I would allow them to be wiped out simply because they defended themselves.

I was upset, sure. I even reloaded my save file and saved the Quarians. But I got a lot more satisfaction from letting the Geth live. And that's the file I kept.

Legion sacrificing himself to finish the upload reaffirmed my decision.

[Avissel]

I picked peace, I had a feeling back in ME1 that the Geth/Quarian Conflict was not all it seemed.

The talks with legion in ME2 made it really plan that the Geth really DID NOT want to fight the Quarians. They almost seemed like children, confused why their parents yelled at them.

[Helnos]

Well unfortunately, tali got shot in the face so peace wasn't an option for me 

but the quarians struck first blood, and legion is a baller...... I watched as the flotilla burned

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

My Shepard is anything but pure. Butcher of Torfan. That says it all. She's a paragade. I didn't consider destroying a bunch of machines genocide. There are no genes involved. They aren't a species. They don't reproduce. They have no culture. No culture = no souls. Tools for the Reapers. They did not have individuality, any concept of dignity, etc. that would define individuals. However, Legion lied in ME2 saying Geth aspire to true unity, and now wants individuality? it's fed you one line of crap over and over again. It had Reaper code running all this time. Legion, don't f*** with the butcher of Torfan.

Had the Reaper code been uploaded it would have changed all that. The choice was, do you really want to open that Pandora's Box, especially at this particular moment? So you finally can finish cleaning out your basement. Your house is still on fire. Now, do you want to start cleaning out your attic? That's what allowing the upload is like, IMO.

See prior to uploading the code, it is simply the destruction of a bunch of machines. After upload, ethically it might become something else. So I chose not to let that happen. Destroy the machines. But.... you bring ethics into the question? Do the machines possess ethics? Does this Reaper code give them ethics? See without ethics they're no better than the Reapers.

Then think about what you are fighting. Sentient machines. Reapers. Their goal? Wipe you out to instill order because organic life is chaos. Your goal? Wipe them out before so they can't wipe you out. They don't seem to have an ethical issue with committing genocide. I don't think the Geth would have an issue with that either should push come to shove in the future --- assuming we forget about the ending to the game which I haven't gotten to.

Hence, the reasoning to wipe them out before they attained that level was easy. They were not "a people." IMO Han'Gerrel, Tali's father, and Xen were right about them. They'd killed a lot of humans, too. They needed to go away.

You cannot make peace with synthetics. Of course Javik agreed with the decision. EDI? Yikes. It was touch and go on the bridge for a minute. I had to lie to her. If she threatened the Normandy or crew it would be "2001: A Space Oddessy" "What are you doing Shepard?"

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[suusuuu]

WOW OP... I have no words at what a terrible person you are. I can only compare this to killing a large group of infant children. The Quarians are at fault. They once again forced the Geth to side with the Reapers instead of finding a solution of their own (they never actually worked toward piece, that should show you how primitive they are). You can see that the Geth tried to find peace with them, it's just the Quarians are too primitive, closed minded and fixated on their (I would say pretty terrible looking) homeworld. The Geth weren't hacked, they made a CHOICE, they sided with what provided them a chance of survival. It's terrible and after seeing the Quarian reason behind the war I only could facepalm and think about how a bunch of horrible, conceited pri*ks they are. The only reason that stopped me from wiping THE QUARIANS was the fact, that I neede their fleet. And Tali was my friend and a friend of Legion, I didn't want her to die.

Do you really want a fleet of closed minded people who have HUGE difficulties setting aside their differences (and this is much bigger than the Krogan/Salarian-Turian conflict IMO) and decide to take back their homeworld when the entire galaxy is under reaper attack? I would understand DEFENDING the homeworld someone actually LIVES ON. But this is the worst time to actually try to take back a planet where no Quarian has lived for years. Taking into account how STUPID and FIXATED the Quarians were presented during these missions, I WOULD CONSIDER THEM A THREAT TO THE OTHER SPIECIES during the fight for Earth.

Saying you felt good after wiping anyone is wrong.  

And the team... well. The team will always mostly approve of what you've done, no matter what you do. So no point in trying to find peace there.

Modifié par suusuuu, 13 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Zen_Mojo]

I respected Legion's sentience from the start. Rewrote the geth heretics with the hope that one day we could be allies. Negotiated peace between Legion and Tali to maintain their loyalty after preventing Tali's exile and protecting the secret of her father in court. When Gerrel fired on my ship, I punched him in the stomach and threw him off. I trusted Legion and followed his lead. I told Tali to protect the civilian ships and Raan not to listen to Gerrel. I rescued Koris, disabled the geth fighters, and communed with the geth consensus.

I discussed battle plans with Legion, expressed that I respected his individuality. After defeating the reaper destroyer, Legion uploaded the reaper codes. Tali tried to call off the attack but Xan ignored her.

And then I was presented with choices. Either let the upload continue or stop legion. I stopped legion.  Because I'm a damn renegade, that's why.

Now, some might say, "Why not pick the paragon/renegade option." And I would say, "While my maxed out reputation would have been useful for the task, those options never appeared. I played through the geth missions three times shuffling choices and still, no options."

So, yeah, got screwed on that one after a perfect Mass Effect 2 renegade game because apparently one of my few paragon options is actually a horrible mistake (which makes sense, my paragon Shepard got a lot more people killed than my renegade Shepard, so of course there's a trend going on here).

Modifié par Zen_Mojo, 13 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[legion999]

Geth propaganda? Or it could be that the Quarians were douchebags.

[suusuuu]

Zen_Mojo, for the option to appear you have to remove the signal first, and then go to the fighter base. If you have done this and it still didn't work I think it's a bug.

[Bigdoser]

My renegade shep went for peace I intimidated the fleet to stand down plus my ruthless shep thinks that its better to have two armies instead of 1. Plus she respects the wishes of those who fought in battle with her. (Yes she likes krogan since they will stab you in the face instead of the back. As ren shep says "I hate lies politcians and secrets!")

Modifié par Bigdoser, 13 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[betd2]

I browbeat the Quarians into stopping.

[Cosmar]

I brokered peace between them both, allowing the geth to to achieve true intelligence/free will.

I gathered that with the Reaper upgrades, each Geth was an individual now and so all of them wouldn't be able to be hacked so easily en masse like before, so I thought it was actually better than them being how they were before.

[movieguyabw]

First time around I just let Legion do his upload. I knew there was a paragon or renegade choice to get the quarians and geth to work together, but figured it would happen after the upload was complete... Instead, the Geth just wiped out the Quarians and Tali killed herself...

I started redoing my ME2 character (note: I still haven't finished ME3 yet. I know about the endings, though, and it's hard for me to push myself through ME2, knowing how it all ends :\\) but being that my character is full renegade, I like the idea of recruiting just the geth for her... don't want to watch Tali kill herself, though, so this ME2 playthrough, I'm going to let Tali die on the Collector Base.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I honestly thought that allowing one or the other race commit genocide against each other is one of the most evil choices you can make, next to shooting mordin in the back.

[WeAreLegionWTF]

one of my goals since 2 was to bring peace to them, Achieving it was the high point of the game for me, Because of that its really hard to choose red...sadly unless you choose green you really end up betraying them later

[Baronesa]

I made peace, and was rewarded with some of the most awesome moments of the game. I cries with the small conversation between Tali and Legion, how Legion "uploaded the last of the code" It was simply beautiful.

I agree with many others, since ME2 I have been set on making peace between them.

[suusuuu]

and the geth rapidly speeding up the colonization of rannoch? very touching, how tali says they do something that would take years in weeks

[Spikyjos]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

My Shepard is anything but pure. Butcher of Torfan. That says it all. She's a paragade. I didn't consider destroying a bunch of machines genocide. There are no genes involved. They aren't a species. They don't reproduce. They have no culture. No culture = no souls. Tools for the Reapers. They did not have individuality, any concept of dignity, etc. that would define individuals. However, Legion lied in ME2 saying Geth aspire to true unity, and now wants individuality? it's fed you one line of crap over and over again. It had Reaper code running all this time. Legion, don't f*** with the butcher of Torfan.

Had the Reaper code been uploaded it would have changed all that. The choice was, do you really want to open that Pandora's Box, especially at this particular moment? So you finally can finish cleaning out your basement. Your house is still on fire. Now, do you want to start cleaning out your attic? That's what allowing the upload is like, IMO.

See prior to uploading the code, it is simply the destruction of a bunch of machines. After upload, ethically it might become something else. So I chose not to let that happen. Destroy the machines. But.... you bring ethics into the question? Do the machines possess ethics? Does this Reaper code give them ethics? See without ethics they're no better than the Reapers.

Then think about what you are fighting. Sentient machines. Reapers. Their goal? Wipe you out to instill order because organic life is chaos. Your goal? Wipe them out before so they can't wipe you out. They don't seem to have an ethical issue with committing genocide. I don't think the Geth would have an issue with that either should push come to shove in the future --- assuming we forget about the ending to the game which I haven't gotten to.

Hence, the reasoning to wipe them out before they attained that level was easy. They were not "a people." IMO Han'Gerrel, Tali's father, and Xen were right about them. They'd killed a lot of humans, too. They needed to go away.

You cannot make peace with synthetics. Of course Javik agreed with the decision. EDI? Yikes. It was touch and go on the bridge for a minute. I had to lie to her. If she threatened the Normandy or crew it would be "2001: A Space Oddessy" "What are you doing Shepard?"

This
+ When Tali begs Legion to stop the upload he responds: "We regret the deaths of the creators, but we see no other way." Up until then I would have let him upload the code, but not seeing another way than the genocide of the quarians? Yeah...

[sorentoft]

Peace.

[Overac]

I made peace for my two shepards, for two different reasons.

First: Paragon Shepard was not about to let the entire Quarian race die for the zeal of three admirals in search of Glory, Slaves and a planet that did not need to be conquered.

But that is no excuse to condemn a people (Yes, he considered the Geth a people once Legion gave some insight, not easily, but still.) to extinction. A people who for 300 years were thrust into violence just for asking a question. And when they finally realized that the only answer they'd get from the creator's was a bullet, they stood up. They showed mercy to a people who had no right to it at the end of the Morning War.

The Geth deserved sapience, they deserved the right to self determinate. And the Quarians didn't deserve to die for the folly of three admirals. Peace was the only Answer. But if that was not an option, he would've sided with the Geth.

Renegade Shepard's reasons were...less noble. She too commanded peace, but not out of a need for their fleets. Not out of acknowledging the Geth's rights. But because of one, single quarian.

Han'Gerral had the gall to shoot at Shepard while he was on the dreadnought. He was going to suffer for this, and so he did. His and by proxy the Quarian's stupidity had been flaunted right in their faces for it. That peace had been made was a happy bonus.

[Unholyknight800]

Peace of course. If not then the Quarians.

[jdckelly]

I was going to let Legion upload it but when push came to shove I couldn't let Tali die, sorry legion

[Syrellaris]

I imported my save game, but never had the option of peace. It was either kill him or destroy the qaurians, losing Tali in the process.

I had around a 75% renegade bar and 25% paragon. How is it even possible I did not get the peace options? I had the option to warn the fleet or rally them though, but I chose a neutral options, allowing legion to upload the code.

Was it perhaps the decision I made onboard my ship to Counterattack with the ship dreadnaught? siding with Gerrel that made this option to not appear?

Afterall in Mass effect 2, Tali and Legion were friends, I had both there trust and I trusted them-.-

I also want to know how starting a whole new game packs out without importing here. As I truly want my next playthrough to have peace. Think it is possible?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And standing by and watching the Quarians get destroyed by the Geth is no better than destroying the Geth. You're still choosing a side. If you don't have the dialogue option you're still choosing a side. So pick one. Which race do you kill off if you consider non-sentient machines a race? Remember they only reach limited sentience when enough of them are within very close proximity. That's what is being asked. Organic or machine? One will have art, philosophy, science, challenges, culture, and will evolve. The other? The other is a question mark. They may become individuals with the reaper code, but even at the pinnacle of non-organic intelligence, the reapers, there is no art, philosophy, science, culture, or evolution. Commit. You've got a couple seconds.

I know this sounds like Mordin Solus.

Perhaps having it take the Quarians years to colonize Rannoch will be good for the Quarians. It'll build character. It might give them pause to reflect on their past mistakes and help them cherish the world they lost.

[Jimbe2693]

I sided with the Geth. (As Tali was dead in this import)

The Quarians didn't have to kamikazi the Geth. In the end they got themselves killed.
Well... their insane general gets them all killed. I wish I could've shot him myself.

[suusuuu]

Syrellaris wrote...

I imported my save game, but never had the option of peace. It was either kill him or destroy the qaurians, losing Tali in the process.

I had around a 75% renegade bar and 25% paragon. How is it even possible I did not get the peace options? I had the option to warn the fleet or rally them though, but I chose a neutral options, allowing legion to upload the code.

Was it perhaps the decision I made onboard my ship to Counterattack with the ship dreadnaught? siding with Gerrel that made this option to not appear?

Afterall in Mass effect 2, Tali and Legion were friends, I had both there trust and I trusted them-.-

I also want to know how starting a whole new game packs out without importing here. As I truly want my next playthrough to have peace. Think it is possible?

Did you destroy the Reaper signal first?